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Originally Posted by Negafox View Post

Shipped != sold. Atari shipped 5 million copies of ET for their Atari 2600. Guess where nearly every copy is at now?



You do realize that reviewers consider the iPhone 4 and 4S to be fragile because of the glass front and back. I dropped (well, my toddler) my iPhone 3GS numerous times against concrete and the case suffered numerous scuffs, but still intact. If my iPhone 4S suffered the same treatment, it would likely be shattered in under week. There is a reason the industrial design did not catch on with the rest of the cell phone industry.



I'm harder than anyone with my phones, and my 3G saw a coke bath, rain, water, 40 ft drop onto a wood deck, fell on to the road at 60mph, ran over on rocks by an ATV, and so on
Still works til this day, though I use an iPhone 4 now, I loan out my 3G to ppl needing a temp phone.
That said. I've only broken my iPhone 4 screen once, not the back (only meet one person who has broken the back)
(has fallen down cement stairs, countless drops etc, no water yet.
But it's still very tough
PS. I dont use cases, too big
post #42 of 143
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) Like others I wonder what the total sell through is, not channel stuffing, not replacements for defective units, but actual sell through for the quarter. I'd bet money Apple would be winner.

2) Wow! That's 37 million devices that look like iPhones being sold last quarter. (not to be taken seriously)

Lets see, 28% retention rate so that means if they sold 100% of those 20 mil only 5.6 mil would keep them.

If Apple sold all of the 17mil (89% retention rate) then of that 15.13 mil would keep them.

And that's assuming the laughable that everything shipped gets sold, many of those (even many iPhones) will likely sit in stores for a while & may not sell this quarter. These shipped numbers are pretty much 100% useless, all they tell us is that Samsung is wasting more money than Apple.
post #43 of 143
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Even if it carries the 'smartphone' moniker, this is in no way competition for the iPhone (3GS, 4 or 4S). At best it's the first stop in the race to the bottom.


If Samsung wants to race with Apple, the best they can do is to tie. I mean, Apple is already there, at the bottom, giving away iPhones for free!

If Sammy thinks it can win against that, it will have to start paying people to take them off of their hands!

There ain't nothing cheaper than an iPhone, Sammy. It is free, and try as you might, you can't win!

Apple has ALREADY reached the bottom! You are way behind, Sammy! You've got the most expensive smartphones in the stores, and you think you can compete with Apple giving iPhones away for free?

AHAHAHAHAHAH!

post #44 of 143
There were significant markets that were not tapped in the last quarter in addition to the customers deferring purchases of the iPhone. Since then, Apple has added multiple carriers like Sprint.

Most important are the Chinese wireless carriers. The GSM/CDMA phone now can be sold in addition to China Unicom (UMTS 3G) and China Telecom (CDMA). The big elephant with 600M customers is China Mobile, but they use TD-SCDMA. They are interested in the iPhone and at some point, Apple will cut a deal with guaranteed multi-year volume.

It remains to bee seen what will be the effect of iCloud and Siri on demand of the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

Just keep in mind that Apple has done this with a single phone

Well, 3 phones. If you don't count the prepaid phones. Or the phones special-made for China. Or the different colors. Or the different capacities.

But they are all called iPhones, so if we want, we can think of all of Apple's different phones as being the same phone. Only retailers care about there being a dozen different SKUs. Most people don't know the truth, they just know "iPhone".
post #46 of 143
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Originally Posted by MatthewGavin View Post

Samsung does not care how many are sold from the stores. They care how many phones the stores buy from them....which is shipped.

Apple left 2.8m or so in the channel, so I suppose this difference is quite small. I am not sure why AI did not compare Apples to Apples.
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post

Apple left 2.8m or so in the channel, so I suppose this difference is quite small. I am not sure why AI did not compare Apples to Apples.

Wall Street Journal's original article did not compare apples-to-apples. The WSJ's article, in my opinion, is not newsworthy and a bit misleading.

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Does this mean we'll finally see an end to the endless screams of "BOGO! BOGO!" we usually get here?

Slightly off-topic, but I did not find out what "BOGO" meant until a month ago when I asked my wife since I see the signs frequently in women clothes and shoes stores (e.g. Payless Shoesource).
post #49 of 143
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Originally Posted by maccherry View Post

+1!!!!
Sammy sells like 30 different phones while Apple has just 1!

iPhone 4 and 3gs.

NOW, its iPhone 4s, 4, and 3gs.
post #50 of 143
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Does this mean we'll finally see an end to the screams of "BOGO! BOGO!" we usually get here?

That remains to be seen. The iPhone is the cheapest smartphone on the planet. Nobody beats Apple in ANY race, including a race to the bottom.

Hell, Apple is at the finish line already! Apple reached absolute rock bottom before anybody else!

There is NO phone cheaper than the iPhone, not nowhere. All the cheapskates are now flocking to Apple. Apple has WON!
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Originally Posted by iTommy View Post

look at that, AI is trolling

I hope they keep it up. I want Apple stock to get back to $350 so I can buy some more!

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Flimsy eh? Square Trade drop tested the IP4s and Galaxy II S. Guess which one survived in better shape?

Yep, the flimsy one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Quoted for truth. I don't understand how anyone could think that two panes of glass would hold up better than good old plastic when things get dicey.

That being said, I live on the edge -- I use my iPhone 4 w/o a case
post #53 of 143
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Quoted for truth. I don't understand how anyone could think that two panes of glass would hold up better than good old plastic when things get dicey.

Who said that they would? (although I will point out once again that just saying "plastic" and "glass" doesn't mean anything. Some glasses are more flexible than some plastics. Some plastics are more brittle than some glasses. For the sake of argument, I'll assume that you're talking about the plastic in the Nexus vs the glass in the iPhone, but you really should be more careful in making blanket statements).

People buying the iPhone buy it because the overall set of features makes it the best choice for them. Durability is only one of 100 features that people consider. Price, quality of construction, ease of use, appearance, scratch resistance, radio reception, and many, many more things must be considered.
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eh, wake me when we see how many they actually sold.

I agree. Shipped does not equal sold. And shipped where: to another warehouse, to a distributor's outlet, to a repair depot or to a land fill?
post #55 of 143
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

That remains to be seen. The iPhone is the cheapest smartphone on the planet. Nobody beats Apple in ANY race, including a race to the bottom.

Hell, Apple is at the finish line already! Apple reached absolute rock bottom before anybody else!

There is NO phone cheaper than the iPhone, not nowhere. All the cheapskates are now flocking to Apple. Apple has WON!

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post #56 of 143
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Yes, sold just the same as Samsung would sell them. Once a reseller pays for them and they leave Samsung's control it's a sale, just as it is for Apple. In general the "sale" is counted once the devices are paid for and shipment made, whether to a Best Buy, ATT, Verizon or Walmart warehouse, or to an individual buyer. Apple is very clear on this. Read Apple's SEC 10-K filing to confirm how Apple recognizes a sale in it's financial statements if you have a question about it.

Samsung, for some curious reason, does not appear to report its handset sales in its financials.

If you know of an actual audited number that says "Sales" for Samsung, I would love to see it.
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I agree. Shipped does not equal sold. And shipped where: to another warehouse, to a distributor's outlet, to a repair depot or to a land fill?

I'm undoubtedly an Android fan, but I don't like these types of reports.
post #58 of 143
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The Samsung Galaxy S II was recently crowned 'best smartphone 2011' in the Netherlands (go figure what the dutchies were smoking).

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i'd say close to 0% were sold in the USA. the USA didn't get the SGS 2 until last month. i've read it was a popular phone around the world and was sold unlocked almost everywhere.
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You have to love the Samsung development process. Apparently no one talks to anyone else there:

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Given Samsung's series of patent infringement lawsuits with Apple, the company's new flagship Galaxy Nexus handset has reportedly been designed specifically to avoid potentially infringing on iPhone-related patents.

Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun revealed his company's approach when speaking with reporters this week following the unveiling of the Galaxy Nexus, according to Yonhap News Agency. He said Samsung will "avoid everything and take patents very seriously."

He went on to say that though Samsung took great pains to avoid any potential patent infringement with the Google Nexus, he could not be certain that the phone will be "100 percent free" of lawsuits from Apple.

At the same time,
http://allthingsd.com/20111020/samsu...apple-patents/

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Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong said the just-announced Galaxy Nexus is designed to stand out, but was not specifically aimed at avoiding Apple patents.
Hong said that the possible patent overlaps werent as much an issue when Google and Samsung began planning for the product many months ago.
At the time this was not a really heavy issue, Hong said, speaking at AsiaD. Hong said that patents were not a big part of the discussion in planning the lead device for Ice Cream Sandwich, now known as Android 4.0.
I dont know where that rumor is from, Hong said.

Sounds like "Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong" needs to communicate better with "Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun".

No wonder they can't innovate - executives there don't even talk to each other - or read the news.
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So it seems:

Top 10 Best Selling Android Phones
September 5, 2011

1. HTC EVO 3D: US$533
2. HTC SENSATION 4G: US$644
3. Motorola Photon 4G: US$199
4. Samsung Galaxy SII: US$599
5. LG T-Mobile G2X: US$200
6. Motorola Droid X: US$210
7. Samsung Epic 4G: US$228
8. Sony Ericsson Xperia Play: US$604
9. HTC inspire 4G: US$608
10. LG Optimus 3D: US$485

http://blendblogger.com/2011/09/05/t...d-cell-phones/


Meanwhille, at store.apple.com:

iPhone 4S: "from $199"
iPhone 3G: "from $0"

So no one has explained the cell phone buying process to you? Obviously not - or you wouldn't be comparing the full unsubsidized price of various phones to the subsidized iPhone price.
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So it seems:

Top 10 Best Selling Android Phones
September 5, 2011

1. HTC EVO 3D: US$533
2. HTC SENSATION 4G: US$644
3. Motorola Photon 4G: US$199
4. Samsung Galaxy SII: US$599
5. LG T-Mobile G2X: US$200
6. Motorola Droid X: US$210
7. Samsung Epic 4G: US$228
8. Sony Ericsson Xperia Play: US$604
9. HTC inspire 4G: US$608
10. LG Optimus 3D: US$485

http://blendblogger.com/2011/09/05/t...d-cell-phones/


Meanwhille, at store.apple.com:

iPhone 4S: "from $199"
iPhone 3G: "from $0"

And the only one in your Android list that is a contract (subsidized) price, like the two phones you list for Apple, is the Motorola Photon @$199. Soooo, what, exactly, is the point of your post?
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Originally Posted by dmitri View Post

It doesn't work like that. Stores don't buy phones from Samsung (or anyone else for that matter). Instead stores carry the phones and other electronic products as an inventory. Whatever is not sold is shipped back to the manufacturer. So, Samsung does care A LOT about what was actually sold from the stores.

Samsung's historical sell though for smart phones was only 50%, meaning that only ~10M phones were actually sold. The reason why Samsung announces the shipped numbers instead is to overinflate the actual performance and generate the excitement among developers. In a way if you keep telling everyone that your product is the best selling one, it might become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

That is brilliant dmitri thank you for that TRUTH!

I am now seriously considering ceasing to access AppleInsidious altogether for healthier pastures.

Talk about LYING DECEITFUL RUMOUR MONGERING - yes disguising as journalists THEY ARE NOT!

Giving a title to a story is the most serious business a site like this should have.

So they write that Samsung shipped this number and when you go read the text (not story) the first thing you realize is that they lied and Samsung did not ship the number after all, it's just a rumor?!?!

Apple Insider is taking part in the insidious campaign against Apple, trying to masquerade reality and induce a bad vibe towards Apple products.

Like those reports that the Apple earnings were a disappointment - Apple surpassed its guidance!!! - and the iPhone 4S is not that big an upgrade - because it bears an extremelly highly successful and excellent design everyone craves?! - and the list goes on.

The evil minded ones are trying to take advantage of an apparent vulnerability the absence of Steve Jobs may seem. By insinuation and manipulating, they expect Apple's popularity goes down. Maybe they're playing the stock shorting it yet again since they know it's going to blast past all previous records. Yeah, why not, if you live thinking you have an influence over people and you have some stock yourself it might prove difficult to turn away from temptation, isn't it so?

I'll probably turn to 9to5mac.com. You see, they are not this grey!
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So no one has explained the cell phone buying process to you? Obviously not - or you wouldn't be comparing the full unsubsidized price of various phones to the subsidized iPhone price.

You cannot compare any unsubsidized price to Apple. Apples and oranges!

IPhones are the cheapest phones on the market. At any carrier. BOGO Android phones require a layout of hundreds, and you need to subscribe to two service plans: That is NOT free.

The iPhone is free. No cash needed. No waiting for a rebate. No nothing; just free. The iPhone is the absolute best choice for all the world's cheapskates.
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The Samsung Galaxy S II was recently crowned 'best smartphone 2011' in the Netherlands (go figure what the dutchies were smoking).

I never saw it in real life, but just happened to stumble upon one this morning. My response: WTF, is this what all the hubbub is about? What a nintendo-cloning-piece-of-rubbish'! It's even worse than any HTC brick. Flimsy plastics that give when you ever so slightly squeeze the thing; way over the top brightness and contrast; no balance in weight; no craftsmanship; no... well nothing. Everything about this thing screams CHEAP, I'M CHEAP!

Even if it carries the 'smartphone' moniker, this is in no way competition for the iPhone (3GS, 4 or 4S). At best it's the first stop in the race to the bottom.

If this is the best Samesung can bring, I'm not worried. At all.


(Yes, I'm Dutch, and currently ever so slightly ashamed of it )

People care about specs, but I agree with you. Craftmanship (i.e. weight balance, quality materials) means alot to me. Of course without the beautiful, smooth and functional UI, it wouldn't matter. iPhone has got it all. Sure, spec-wise, it lacks certain things, but mostly they're not essential functionality for me. Everytime I take a look at my iPhone, I'm amazed at the overall quality of the phone... just beautiful.
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So no one has explained the cell phone buying process to you? Obviously not - or you wouldn't be comparing the full unsubsidized price of various phones to the subsidized iPhone price.

Do you honestly not have that guy on ignore?!
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BOGO Android phones require a layout of hundreds, and you need to subscribe to two service plans: That is NOT free.

The iPhone is free. No cash needed. No waiting for a rebate. No nothing; just free. The iPhone is the absolute best choice for all the world's cheapskates.

I'm always amazed at the weirdos that can switch their position within the same post. To be a troll I assume they know better but re purposive asking dumb so I can't imagine them writing such crap. This is just stupidity, plain and simple.

Benefit of the doubt: where can I free iPhone that has Doesn't require a "need to subscribe to two [year] service plans".
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Samsung, for some curious reason, does not appear to report its handset sales in its financials.

If you know of an actual audited number that says "Sales" for Samsung, I would love to see it.

Samsung stated (after the first quarter results) they would mo longer break out detailed mobile revenue resuilts. The generally assumed reason had to do with Apple's legal efforts, but I don't know if Samsung themselves explained why mobile results wouldn't be detailed in the future. Have to do a bit of research to see if Samsung mentioned it.
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So it seems:

Top 10 Best Selling Android Phones
September 5, 2011

1. HTC EVO 3D: US$533
2. HTC SENSATION 4G: US$644
3. Motorola Photon 4G: US$199
4. Samsung Galaxy SII: US$599
5. LG T-Mobile G2X: US$200
6. Motorola Droid X: US$210
7. Samsung Epic 4G: US$228
8. Sony Ericsson Xperia Play: US$604
9. HTC inspire 4G: US$608
10. LG Optimus 3D: US$485

http://blendblogger.com/2011/09/05/t...d-cell-phones/


Meanwhille, at store.apple.com:

iPhone 4S: "from $199"
iPhone 3G: "from $0"



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post #72 of 143
You mean a company that has been in the cell phone market for over a decade and sells several dozen models in almost every country in the world potentially outsold another company that's been in the cell phone market for about four years, and basically only sells one model phone, and only in select countries. And they only outsold them by an estimated 3-4 million units ...

What does that really tell you ...?
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You cannot compare any unsubsidized price to Apple. Apples and oranges!

IPhones are the cheapest phones on the market. At any carrier. BOGO Android phones require a layout of hundreds, and you need to subscribe to two service plans: That is NOT free.

The iPhone is free. No cash needed. No waiting for a rebate. No nothing; just free. The iPhone is the absolute best choice for all the world's cheapskates.

Usually I can at least get your line of thinking, but I'm really struggling to figure out your reasoning on this thread. Does that post say what you meant it to? I can't even make enough sense of it to argue. Whatever - maybe I drank too much last night.
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Samsung stated (after the first quarter results) they would mo longer break out detailed mobile revenue resuilts. The generally assumed reason had to do with Apple's legal efforts, but I don't know if Samsung themselves explained why mobile results wouldn't be detailed in the future. Have to do a bit of research to see if Samsung mentioned it.

That was 'an' assumption, and one that clearly puts a negative spin on the big bad Apple with Samsung being the little guy. The most likely scenario is Samsung has had to cut a lot of revenue and profit to move their product, which would hurt their numbers which would make their investors even more fearful of the future.
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So it seems:

Top 10 Best Selling Android Phones
September 5, 2011

1. HTC EVO 3D: US$533
2. HTC SENSATION 4G: US$644
3. Motorola Photon 4G: US$199
4. Samsung Galaxy SII: US$599
5. LG T-Mobile G2X: US$200
6. Motorola Droid X: US$210
7. Samsung Epic 4G: US$228
8. Sony Ericsson Xperia Play: US$604
9. HTC inspire 4G: US$608
10. LG Optimus 3D: US$485

http://blendblogger.com/2011/09/05/t...d-cell-phones/


Meanwhille, at store.apple.com:

iPhone 4S: "from $199"
iPhone 3G: "from $0"

Based on your post you're saying Android is charging way too much and Apple is being overly generous yet still taking in over 50% of the world's handset profits.
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No wonder Apple is pissed. Samsung is kicking their tail. Wow.

That's kind of a biased response.

Even if the numbers were accurate and it was a regular year, marginally beating the volume of a single product by shipping many multiple products is hardly "kicking their tail."

The main reason this happened also is that this year is not like any other year and there was a much larger than usual gap between iPhone models. If the best Samsung can do is to pull ahead by something less than ten percent in the only year when the competition couldn't ship, then they are in a lot of trouble.

If their products was actually better than the iPhone it would be winning every quarter. If it was just their latest products that were better then they should have smoked them by a lot more. No matter how you slice it, this "win" for Samsung is weak sauce indeed.
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Samsung stated (after the first quarter results) they would mo longer break out detailed mobile revenue resuilts. The generally assumed reason had to do with Apple's legal efforts, but I don't know if Samsung themselves explained why mobile results wouldn't be detailed in the future. Have to do a bit of research to see if Samsung mentioned it.

I can tell you why: they were publicly embarrassed over their tablet shipments fudge (remember "smooth"?), and decided to stop providing that data. Then they realized it would be an even bigger PR disaster if they provided data on their mobile phone sales, but not the tablet sales.

So they decided to stop providing data on both.

Bottom line: I don't trust their numbers. When they go back to providing audited figures, I'll believe them.
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Usually I can at least get your line of thinking, but I'm really struggling to figure out your reasoning on this thread. Does that post say what you meant it to? I can't even make enough sense of it to argue. Whatever - maybe I drank too much last night.

Maybe you're not the one doing too much drinking...
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I can tell you why: they were publicly embarrassed over their tablet shipments fudge (remember "smooth"?), and decided to stop providing that data. Then they realized it would be an even bigger PR disaster if they provided data on their mobile phone sales, but not the tablet sales.

So they decided to stop providing data on both.

Bottom line: I don't trust their numbers. When they go back to providing audited figures, I'll believe them.

You may well be right. To release or not to release? That has to be a business decision just like everything else. They may have to worry about stock price, but low sales numbers would probably hurt their sales image and momentum.
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Maybe you're not the one doing too much drinking...

Yeah - but as I said - I can usually follow his arguments even if I don't always agree with them. Just seems completely off today.
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