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post #81 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That was 'an' assumption, and one that clearly puts a negative spin on the big bad Apple with Samsung being the little guy. The most likely scenario is Samsung has had to cut a lot of revenue and profit to move their product, which would hurt their numbers which would make their investors even more fearful of the future.

Samsung is such a complex conglomerate that it is difficult for outsiders to surmise their motives. We are smartphone-centric in our interests but, for all we know, it's the a completely unrelated business that's motivating changes in their reporting strategy.

Despite all their secrecy, kudos to Apple for being simple and explicit in their reports about the number of iPhones and iPads sold. Even during a *down* quarter, there is no change. Good on them.
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post #82 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:29pm
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That remains to be seen. The iPhone is the cheapest smartphone on the planet. Nobody beats Apple in ANY race, including a race to the bottom.

Hell, Apple is at the finish line already! Apple reached absolute rock bottom before anybody else!

There is NO phone cheaper than the iPhone, not nowhere. All the cheapskates are now flocking to Apple. Apple has WON!

Stop making such stupid posts or I'm going to remove them. You are working very hard to troll lately, and it's got to stop.
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post #83 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

i'd say close to 0% were sold in the USA. the USA didn't get the SGS 2 until last month. i've read it was a popular phone around the world and was sold unlocked almost everywhere.

This is the interesting angle: It was a transition quarter for both Apple and Samsung.
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post #84 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Negafox View Post

Shipped != sold. Atari shipped 5 million copies of ET for their Atari 2600. Guess where nearly every copy is at now?



You do realize that reviewers consider the iPhone 4 and 4S to be fragile because of the glass front and back. I dropped (well, my toddler) my iPhone 3GS numerous times against concrete and the case suffered numerous scuffs, but still intact. If my iPhone 4S suffered the same treatment, it would likely be shattered in under week. There is a reason the industrial design did not catch on with the rest of the cell phone industry.

Now that others have released smartphones with kevlar backs, I wonder if Apple will ever adopt it.
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post #85 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:36pm
I like competition, keep it up Samsung! (just don't be so blatant in your copying). Keep Apple on its toes, so they can keep making stuff that makes me happy.
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post #86 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Stop making such stupid posts or I'm going to remove them. You are working very hard to troll lately, and it's got to stop.

Over time I have started to hate these kinds of threads. Its like a feeding frenzy on both sides. Its always the threads about another company doing well that sends the Apple faithful into panic and they feel the need put down every other company as if there is only room for one company to do well. On the flip side you have the guy above your post just throwing in fresh meat.

I think we needs a folder in the forum called "Group Therapy"
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post #87 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Over time I have started to hate these kinds of threads. Its like a feeding frenzy on both sides. Its always the threads about another company doing well that sends the Apple faithful into panic and they feel the need put down every other company as if there is only room for one company to do well. On the flip side you have the guy above your post just throwing in fresh meat.

I think we needs a folder in the forum called "Group Therapy"

I'm not sure that panic has anything to do with it. There is quite a lot of anti-Samsung sentiment around right now, but that is hardly surprising and not really related to any successes that they have had recently. Quite the opposite in some ways. Some of that has spilled over into this thread for sure, but questioning the relative sales numbers seems legitimate, which is the bulk of this discussion. I don't think anyone who supports Apple has much to feel panicked about in the current market.
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post #88 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:51pm
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Now that others have released smartphones with kevlar backs, I wonder if Apple will ever adopt it.

What's your point? Apple will always use a material someone else does or not use a material because someone else does? How about: Apple will use the materials that best serve their purpose for making the devices they think are best. They have been using glass front panels *gasp* since the first iPhone despite the opposition saying that is stupid and most competitors following their lead, and still using the external antenna *double gasp* despite the claims that such a design was stupid, would require a recall of eery single iPhone 4 on the market, and a revamp of the next iPhone in a much shorter time than usual.

Seems to Apple does what it thinks is best for their product, not simply following or eschewing a tech or material based on some petty decision.
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post #89 of 144
10/20/11 at 12:54pm
Reminds me of the iPod killers a few years back...

... the "in stores" is probably the same "bulk shipment" deals that are used to fluff up sales of some Political Hacks books. They get on the New York Times bestseller lists, then the bulk order quietly goes back and gets distributed. Who knows if next quarter there will be the same number of units?

For comparison, iPhones don't exactly sit on shelves.

There are probably big discounts for a bulk order -- so it's going to look GOOD for Samsung for exactly 1 Quarter.

iPhone 5 comes out, and there will be yet a new benchmark set for features. The voice recognition and location sensing mics are going to probably be a game changer as well.
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post #90 of 144
10/20/11 at 1:02pm
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You cannot compare any unsubsidized price to Apple. Apples and oranges!

IPhones are the cheapest phones on the market. At any carrier. BOGO Android phones require a layout of hundreds, and you need to subscribe to two service plans: That is NOT free.

The iPhone is free. No cash needed. No waiting for a rebate. No nothing; just free. The iPhone is the absolute best choice for all the world's cheapskates.

You my friend might be the dumbest person I have ever seen post on here. I'm sorry if that offended you but Damn you stupid
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post #91 of 144
10/20/11 at 1:27pm
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You my friend might be the dumbest person I have ever seen post on here. I'm sorry if that offended you but Damn you stupid

That should have been: damn you are stupid
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post #92 of 144
10/20/11 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by MatthewGavin View Post

Samsung does not care how many are sold from the stores. They care how many phones the stores buy from them....which is shipped.

Uh, I think unsold product may be subject to returns from the big box stores, so it does not matter how many are shipped. The important figure is how many are sold.

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post #93 of 144
10/20/11 at 1:46pm
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Yeah - but as I said - I can usually follow his arguments even if I don't always agree with them. Just seems completely off today.

Sorry about that. Not all of them can be gems.
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post #94 of 144
10/20/11 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Stop making such stupid posts or I'm going to remove them. You are working very hard to troll lately, and it's got to stop.

Apologies. Not my finest hour.
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post #95 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:02pm
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post #96 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Uh, I think unsold product may be subject to returns from the big box stores, so it does not matter how many are shipped. The important figure is how many are sold.

Actually, that is not entirely true and depends on the contract with the big box store. The problem lies in the next quarter because if the big box hasn't sold much of the previous shipment then it won't order much if any more. This puts a big question mark on the handset makers numbers: Why the drop off? Was sell through bad? Were there a lot of customer returns?
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post #97 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:29pm
My question is what does Samsung count as a smartphone? They just announced this week that they have sold 30M Galaxy branded smartphones (since April last year - S and S2). Even if that were quite heavily weighted towards the last quarter, i doubt that more than 10M would have come in the past 3 months. What are the other smartphones counted?

A few WP7 (not many of those), some Bada (where? Korea?) and probably a bunch of crap like the Intensity 2 which has apps, can go to FB or twitter etc. but is not remotely in the same league as any proper smartphone from one of the top 5 ecosystems (Apple, Android, BB, WP7, Symbian). I get the feeling that this is an Apples to raisins comparison.

20M Galaxies... I think not. (Unless someone with some facts can jump in).
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post #98 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:33pm
This is impressive??

They sell at least 23 models, from the good, to the bad, to the ugly.

Now, if it was just two models of the Galaxy S, that would be impressive. But as it stands, all this is is Android market-flood.

Remember: Apple achieves what they do with only one or at most two models of phones. Not over 20. Apple doesn't ship low-end bare-bones commodity-ware.
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post #99 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

That should have been: damn you are stupid

Maybe not. Maybe he just left out a comma: "Damn you, stupid".
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post #100 of 144
10/20/11 at 2:46pm
I agree.
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post #101 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Flimsy eh? Square Trade drop tested the IP4s and Galaxy II S. Guess which one survived in better shape?

Yep, the flimsy one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Just as a plastic dish won't break when dropped and a glass one will, despite the glass one feeling sturdier.
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post #102 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:08pm
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post #103 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:13pm
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My question is what does Samsung count as a smartphone? ... some Bada (where? Korea?)

20M Galaxies... I think not. (Unless someone with some facts can jump in).

Bada phones are sold in Europe, India, Asia, Australasia - just about anywhere except the US.

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There’s no surprise that success of Galaxy S made Samsung a very important player in the smartphone arena. Now the company has announced that the original Galaxy S and its successor, Galaxy S II have passed a new milestone. Samsung has managed to sell over 30 million units of both Galaxy S and S II (cumulatively).

The numbers reflect for the sales all over the world with the Galaxy S taking 66 percent of the total share with 20 million handsets and Galaxy S II about 10 million.

Speaking of the latest generation Galaxy S handset, Galaxy S II is the fastest selling smartphone in Samsung’s history that broke 10 million sales figure in just 5 months.

http://sammyhub.com/2011/10/17/samsu...-million-mark/

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post #104 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:22pm
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It also raises another question: if shipments to such resellers is increasing each quarter, does that suggest that sell-through is at levels the reseller finds attractive?

Of course. My example questions were if the shipments decreased significantly. If they increased then sell through should be good. The only exception is channel stuffing (which I highly doubt).

Basically, my response was to clarify that shipment numbers usually ARE real sales to stores and that returning said shipments would not only need to that be in the contract, but Samsung could not report those as actual sales since the numbers would be contingent on returns.

Sometimes, there are posters who have no problem offering supporting posts to your argument. No need to add something unrelated as if there is some trick question involved.
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post #105 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:40pm
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It isn't correct. It was over 4 million.

But we see what happens when a company releases one new model a year. This dip has always been seen before the new phone arrives. The analysts were off on this one. Even they were feeling the iPhone frenzy.

But Samsung, as other manufacturers do, offers new phones several times during the year, so the ups and downs of their sales is almost entirely due to seasonal variation - something that Apple's sales are subject to as well.

Next quarter's results should be interesting considering Apple's very aggressive, and unusual, guidance.

Yeah, the guidance makes me suspect that there some large sales of iPhones and iPads being negotiated... Similar to the recent Lowe's and Sears deals.
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post #106 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:43pm
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10/20/11 at 3:50pm
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post #108 of 144
10/20/11 at 3:52pm
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Who said that they would? (although I will point out once again that just saying "plastic" and "glass" doesn't mean anything. Some glasses are more flexible than some plastics. Some plastics are more brittle than some glasses. For the sake of argument, I'll assume that you're talking about the plastic in the Nexus vs the glass in the iPhone, but you really should be more careful in making blanket statements).

People buying the iPhone buy it because the overall set of features makes it the best choice for them. Durability is only one of 100 features that people consider. Price, quality of construction, ease of use, appearance, scratch resistance, radio reception, and many, many more things must be considered.

I would expect Dutch people considered them all when they voted best phone.
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post #109 of 144
10/20/11 at 4:00pm
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Not intended as a "trick question", just a bit of a shock to read what may be the first post in the history of AI forums to suggest that Android phones aren't being scurried away to some secret warehouse in Nebraska. Your explanation makes much more sense than such odd claims.

No prob. Things can get very contentious here (on both sides).
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10/20/11 at 4:03pm
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Bada phones are sold in Europe, India, Asia, Australasia - just about anywhere except the US.

http://sammyhub.com/2011/10/17/samsu...-million-mark/


Samsung has managed to sell over 30 million units of both Galaxy S and S II (cumulatively) . . . since their introduction in 2010.


It takes Apple little more than two quarters to sell what Samsung in this case took 1 year and 7 months to do.

Now here's some perspective: Apple sold 4 million iPhone 4Ses in the span of a weekend.

What's your point?
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10/20/11 at 4:05pm
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You have to love the Samsung development process. Apparently no one talks to anyone else there:



At the same time,
http://allthingsd.com/20111020/samsu...apple-patents/



Sounds like "Samsung mobile executive Won-Pyo Hong" needs to communicate better with "Samsung mobile president Shin Jong-kyun".

No wonder they can't innovate - executives there don't even talk to each other - or read the news.


"Siri set up a meeting between Won-Pyo Hong and Shin Jong-kyun"
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10/20/11 at 4:11pm
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Samsung has managed to sell over 30 million units of both Galaxy S and S II (cumulatively) . . . since their introduction in 2010.

Did you miss this detail?

It takes Apple little more than two quarters to sell what Samsung in this case took 1 year and 7 months to do.

Now here's some perspective: Apple sold 4 million iPhone 4Ses in the span of a weekend.

What's your point?

I don't understand this "one vs. many" argument.

Apple decided to do only one model a year (usually in 3 variants). As a result, they have enormously high number of single-model sales. They decided that model works best for them and they stick with it.

Samsung decided to release multiple models over the year. As a result they have enormously high number of their brand sales, but sales are somewhat diluted among models within the brand. They decided that model works best for them and they stick with it.

At the end of the day, Samsung did sell more smartphones than Apple. Would Samsung sell less units have they decided to have only one new model a year? Would Apple sell more units but less specific models have they decided to release more models every year? I think that is quite pointless exercise.
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10/20/11 at 4:13pm
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10/20/11 at 4:16pm
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Flimsy eh? Square Trade drop tested the IP4s and Galaxy II S. Guess which one survived in better shape?

Yep, the flimsy one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Kinda makes you wonder why Apple didn't go with the Gorilla Glass like Samsung did... a damn shame if you ask me after all the broken screens on the regular 4.
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10/20/11 at 4:24pm
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post #116 of 144
10/20/11 at 4:32pm
Although Samsung probably did beat APple on sales last Q it's also true that we are comparing Apples and Oranges. Apple tells us what is sold (17M) and what is in channel (3M). This compares with guesswork for Sam.

Nevertheless apple does need to up it's game.
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post #117 of 144
10/20/11 at 4:35pm
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Yes, sold just the same as Samsung would sell them. Once a reseller pays for them and they leave Samsung's control it's a sale, just as it is for Apple. In general the "sale" is counted once the devices are paid for and shipment made, whether to a Best Buy, ATT, Verizon or Walmart warehouse, or to an individual buyer. Apple is very clear on this. Read Apple's SEC 10-K filing to confirm how Apple recognizes a sale in it's financial statements if you have a question about it.

A lot of Apples sales are shipped direct to the user, so shipped equal final sales, not sold to the distributor who then passes them to the re-seller as is the standard model.

Samsung must have 10 X the point of sales that Apples has. Nearly every kiosk/storefront cell phone sales outfit sells (or gives away on 2 year contact) Samsung "smart Phones".
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10/20/11 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by The Mock Turtleneck View Post

Or maybe, just maybe... the Galaxy S2 *GASP*.. is actually a good phone? And by that I mean it has a proven track record of being a dependable and capable smartphone after more than six months in the wild.

Who cares what some random organisation declares which smartphone to be the best this year? Just be happy with your fruit-devices and accept that there are other good phones out there which appeals to other people too. It's iFan extremists like you who gives the whole Apple community a bad name.

They weren't all Galaxy's, Samsung has a range of smartphones on the market, ranging from cheaper, less functional PAYG phones up to the various S2 configurations, phones like the Nexus S are still available,

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung-phones-9.php

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10/20/11 at 4:40pm
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Kinda makes you wonder why Apple didn't go with the Gorilla Glass like Samsung did... a damn shame if you ask me after all the broken screens on the regular 4.

Gorilla Glass is a copyrighted trade name of a Crown Corning product, for all intents and purposes the iPhone uses the same type of glass as do SonyEricsson and others.

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10/20/11 at 4:42pm
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Stop making such stupid posts or I'm going to remove them. You are working very hard to troll lately, and it's got to stop.

I ignore him, but he is not on my ignore list...

It's kinda' like watching a dog chasing his own tail.


I have been trying to think of a word that describes what he is doing...


The closest I could find is: "Whinger":

A person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining


But this doesn't really fit, and I couldn't find an antonym.


So I thought I'd coin a new word:


Loseger n Lose-ger

A person who falsely praises something or someone in an excessive and irritating manner


...or we could just give him a soccer trophy
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