Steve Jobs vowed to 'destroy' Google Android, called it a 'stolen product' - Page 5

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

This sounds insane on the surface, but since Google doesn't seem to want to mention Android during their earnings calls it might not be an insane idea.

They're obviously never going to do it, but evidence suggests that if it WERE to happen, it wouldn't be financially irresponsible.

Originally Posted by caliminius

Android is given away for FREE. Thus by that very definition it CANNOT generate earnings for Google. Thus no need to mention it in an earnings meeting.

And yes, it would be an insane idea. It would mean Google would likely be surrendering the entire mobile advertising market to competitors. If Google kills Android, all Apple has to do is come out and revise the developer rules to only allow iAds for in-app advertising. They already revised the rules once to competitively disadvantage Google's ads by preventing location-based data collection. With the push to more connected mobile devices, it would very much be financially irresponsible to be at the mercy of other companies for access to that market.

Originally Posted by ash471

It is ridiculous. Last time I checked, fine art like a Warhol isn't sold in the canned goods section of a grocery store. A picture of a can of soup is not a rip off of soup.....its art. Android is not making a collage of iPhones, their making iPhone clones. It is distasteful and repugnant and has nothing to do with genius of "stealing" in the context of art. Sheesh, is everyone going to start calling juvenile delinquents "geniuses" because they do lots of stealing?

Originally Posted by iKol

So Google is the new Microsoft and Schmidt has replaced Bill Gates.
Good lord- it never ends.

Originally Posted by Neo42

This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.

Originally Posted by Neo42

This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.

Originally Posted by iKol

What's the difference between Apple innovating on the Xerox mouse and Google innovating on Apple's iPhone? More Patents filed now than then? Just sayin.....

Originally Posted by Neo42

This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Would you like to be reported and banned now or five posts from now?

Originally Posted by Gustav

You have no way of knowing that. Apple produced the iPhone when there was nothing like it on the market before. Why do you think they have to rely on Google for improvement ideas after that?

Originally Posted by Neo42

What exactly do you plan on reporting me for? Having a minority perspective?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.

Originally Posted by Neo42

This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.

Originally Posted by redbarchetta

"Good artists copy great artists steal"

-Steve Jobs

Originally Posted by iKol

So then why hasn't he been arrested?

Originally Posted by Tulkas

What the hell are you smoking? Jobs statements were from before Android had established any real presence. Has Android helped push Apple to adopt new features? Probably. Did it help push Apple to adopt any of the features you listed? No. Let's review:

1) Mulitasking. Jobs was very clear that they would not implement multutasking until they could do it in a way that would not kill battery life. They did this with their TSR implementation. This was not brought about because of Android. iOS is unix and fully multitasking. The limitation of single userspace apps completely intentional as was the TSR implementation. Nothing to do with Android.
2) Notifications. Given the JB community had almost identical notifications to what iOS 5 has and that they predate Android notifications, the best you can say is that both Apple and Android copied the iPhone JB community.
3) Cloud service. This is where you totally come off as a troll. Even if we ignore that Apple has had various evolutions of cloud services for over 10 years and if we ignore that Jobs has been promoting exactly the implementation that we now see since his days at NeXT, we would also have to ignore that Apple has been planning the data center in North Carolina for cloud service since at the very latest Spring 2009. That is when the state agreed to give Apple tax breaks for building the data center. Do you think Apple just bought the land, planned a data center and had no idea what they were going to do with it? No, they had been planning it prior to the land acquisition, which puts it into 2008, when Android was still almost considered a beta (not beta but no one was using it).

In short, you may have a point that competition helped drive Apple. But please try to use facts that make sense or even just facts. The one fact that is totally undeniable is that if not for Apple and the iPhone, you would still be using BB/WinMo looking shit, buying apps from your carrier, paying you left nut for a few MB of data, calling in for your VM, using a dedicated keyboard (well there are still some holdouts there), using a stylus and crowing about your great 1.5" screen. The fact is that Apple, and Apple alone has completely changed what we think of as smartphones. Other competitors might have pushed Apple to include some features, but the concept as a whole was radically new when Apple brought out the iPhone.

Remember, when you are using your Android and hating on Apple and Jobs, you are using an iPhone clone. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by esummers

There is a difference between standing on the shoulders of past greats and ripping off a product.

Originally Posted by iKol

Again sounds like you should never allow a competitor on you board in the first place. Looks like trying to gang up on RIM and MSFT simply backfired.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

I don't know how, at this point, there can be any argument about whether Google, with Android, ripped off Apple's IP. They've admitted as much in court by requesting that they be allowed a free pass on their infringement. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone, their entire business model has for years been based on ripping off and "giving away for free" other's IP.

Originally Posted by redbarchetta

"Good artists copy great artists steal"

-Steve Jobs

Originally Posted by LogicNReason

Please, enlighten us to how Android is completely ripping of the iPhone.
And if I hear the words "touch screen," "rectangle/looks like an iPhone" or "apps," then Apple did the same when Steve Jobs presented the first Apple computer. He didn't reinvent the computer on his first try (although thank god he eventually did ), he merely tried to improve on current technology...Not even counting the fact that his computer looked the same as other mini computers from the same time period.

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

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"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs reportedly said. "I'm going to destroy Android..."

Originally Posted by esummers

The first Android release was an iPhone clone, but they shouldn't have had knowledge of the iPhone when it was in development. They have probably diverged in some ways since then, but they are still often copying instead of innovating. There certainly is some grey area, but they should not have had the head start on their copy machine. It isn't the fact that other touch screen phones exist, it is that the whole idea of Android was stolen directly from Apple when it wasn't public knowledge. Innovators are allowed to have a head start. That is the core problem. If you notice, Apple hasn't made any remarks about the late comers like WebOS or Windows Phone 7. If Android didn't have the head start, they would be technologically at the same level as their non-Apple competitors.

Having said this, it may not have been Schmitt's fault entirely. I don't see him doing this deliberately. Google probably had a head start on creating Apps for the iPhone. The product managers in charge of those apps may have shifted Android development at that time. That still doesn't make it right.

Originally Posted by LogicNReason

Please, enlighten us to how Android is completely ripping of the iPhone.
And if I hear the words "touch screen," "rectangle/looks like an iPhone" or "apps," then Apple did the same when Steve Jobs presented the first Apple computer. He didn't reinvent the computer on his first try (although thank god he eventually did ), he merely tried to improve on current technology...Not even counting the fact that his computer looked the same as other mini computers from the same time period.

Originally Posted by sexualintellectual

And just because he's not always right doesn't make what he said untrue. See what I did there?

Originally Posted by MacRulez

While I may disagree with that post as well, what was there that would be grounds for banning?

Originally Posted by Tulkas

The Mac was the first mainstream, commercial implementation of a GUI system. Xerox was mainly doing it for research and their only commercial venture was some obscenely expensive system that was never intended for consumers nor mainstream. Apple implemented the GUI in a way that had never been seen before and was also unique in using the GUI to make computers easier to use. Windows was a clone of MacOS.

For iPhones, again, what they brought to smartphones was unique at the time. They didn't invent captive touch, but no one else was pushing them into the mainstread. They didn't invent keyboardless phones, but they made the mainstream and implemented them in a manner that was well thought out and integrated. Touchscreens prior to the iPhone generally meant a stylus and almost always still meant a physical keyboard. The notion of apps (even if at first only first party apps) was new. The concept of no carrier sludge and branding was new. The concept of a fully featured browser was new to the mainstream. The idea of everything on the device being an app, right down to the phone itself, was completely new. Perhaps not all of these were new in and of themselves. But the integration of everything that made an iPhone an iPhone was unique. Android was an unapologetic clone of iOS. Android was originally meant to be a BB/WinMo clone in every conceivable way. The success of the iPhone totally changed the plan and path for Android.

If you can't see how completely influenced Android is by the iPhone, it really isn't worth debating it with you. There is no point in debating with someone either delusional or unwilling to admit reality.

Originally Posted by LogicNReason

No, you're planning on reporting him for essentially reminding AI that Apple has used a lot of the competition's features to improve their own. The fact that Apple started the mobile OS as we know it is irrelevant. Android improved on a lot of things Apple started and Apple adopted them. The fact that you choose to ignore this does not make it incorrect or FUD. While not all of these can be directly proved to be inspired by Android, the fact that Apple only added backgrounds (customization options), multi tasking, wireless syncing, Notification Center, and Widgets only after Android became popular leads seemingly everyone but you that Apple is not shy about borrowing good ideas as well.