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I don't like them either, but this story seemed fairly straightforward.

Haha.

I didn't just mean the fact that they scrape the Internet and steal article like the HuffPost does, but the design, the fact that video ads auto-play with audio and the general lack of taste and integrity of the whole thing. I don't even trust their original material, the little bit they produce.
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All you said can be done with a $99 box. That's called AppleTV.

Straight away you've got two remotes, that's your first mistake. It only gets worse after that. I truly can't understand why you don't see what I see here. To me it's so obvious it's practically comical.
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The only advantage as far as I can tell is FaceTime with a camera on a Apple display, is that enough to differentiate from the rest? I don't think so.

Apple must have a groundbreaking tech on the display itself to generate interest so people can move and pay premium price for it. Right now most things can happen on that $99 box that's easy to update and don't break the bank.

We'll see but my feeling all the hoopla lately about Apple and television is geared towards a upcoming ATV box and a new model of media delivery utilizing iCloud.

This TV will be to "TV" what the iMac is to desktop computers, and more. Besides, FaceTime makes absolutly no sense on a TV. I shouldn't need to explain why.
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This TV will be to "TV" what the iMac is to desktop computers, and more. Besides, FaceTime makes absolutly no sense on a TV. I shouldn't need to explain why.

Out of curiosity, in your signature you seem very desperate to get a tv that you consider will be the iMac. You tell me you have a Kuro that's the Macpro in steroids of HDTVs. Why is that? Settle for less?
Appletv will basically offer all the bells and whistles and you still able to keep you high end display. That seems to me a winning combination than wishing for something like an iMac of HDTVs. Makes no sense.
But hey, if that rocks your boat.....
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Straight away you've got two remotes, that's your first mistake. It only gets worse after that. I truly can't understand why you don't see what I see here. To me it's so obvious it's practically comical.

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Remotes? Is that an issue to you?
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Remotes? Is that an issue to you?

If it isn't an issue to you, you need to donate your living brain to science so that specialists can figure out why you differ from the rest of the 6.8 billion humans on the planet.

One remote. One system. That's the idea here. If the Apple Remote handled volume control or the Remote app on iDevices had specialized features for existing hardware, we'd already have that issue solved.
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If it isn't an issue to you, you need to donate your living brain to science so that specialists can figure out why you differ from the rest of the 6.8 billion humans on the planet.

One remote. One system. That's the idea here. If the Apple Remote handled volume control or the Remote app on iDevices had specialized features for existing hardware, we'd already have that issue solved.

Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.
While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution, I have very few issues using the above and they do work quite well with my system that consists on ATV, Kuro HDTV, Receiver, Blu-ray and DTV cable box with DVR.

Sorry that you have trouble with it.
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Remotes? Is that an issue to you?

The most profound things are the simplest.
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post #169 of 198
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Out of curiosity, in your signature you seem very desperate to get a tv that you consider will be the iMac. You tell me you have a Kuro that's the Macpro in steroids of HDTVs. Why is that? Settle for less?
Appletv will basically offer all the bells and whistles and you still able to keep you high end display. That seems to me a winning combination than wishing for something like an iMac of HDTVs. Makes no sense.
But hey, if that rocks your boat.....

I want this TV for the world, not for me personally. I know, I'm that deep

Btw the iMac statement was an analogy. You do know that right?
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Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One....

I hate universal remotes more than hell itself.
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Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.
While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution....

And while you'd welcome a more streamlined solution - why did you say those words?
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post #172 of 198
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Well, I have Logitech's Harmony One and also to control my ATV, either my iPad or iPhone with the remote app.
While I would welcomed a more streamlined solution, I have very few issues using the above and they do work quite well with my system that consists on ATV, Kuro HDTV, Receiver, Blu-ray and DTV cable box with DVR.

Sorry that you have trouble with it.

It's not about me, jerk. You are completely clueless.
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I want this TV for the world, not for me personally. I know, I'm that deep

Btw the iMac statement was an analogy. You do know that right?

Yes, I know but my take is that you don't mind accepting something less.
I for one would only pay premium for such device if they could bring me better quality than a Kuro. If not I will only stick to a new improved ATV box and droll at the image Pioneer can generate.
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I hate universal remotes more than hell itself.

Well, I have no complaints with my Logitech. Like I said if Apple can give me something better, why not? but I would not dismiss my Kuro for an Apple display just because a better remote experience they might provide. I also think whatever solution Apple comes up with, they will integrate to that $99 box.
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Well, I have no complaints with my Logitech. Like I said if Apple can give me something better, why not? but I would not dismiss my Kuro for an Apple display just because a better remote experience they might provide. I also think whatever solution Apple comes up with, they will integrate to that $99 box.

The all-in-one nature will be the expirence, the box can't get that by design, and the box won't get apps, further differentiating it from iTV.
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The all-in-one nature will be the expirence, the box can't get that by design, and the box won't get apps, further differentiating it from iTV.

Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.
The negative outcry would be huge. Most people already have a nice HDTV set and denying them this experience would be bad.
That's why I hardly see them going for a set. Unless they just want to offer one for the sake of having one. To be very suscesful they will have to offer an unique feature on the display that people will die for to get one. Is that apps? I don't think so.
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Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.

It makes no sense? It makes business sense. If you want apps you have to give us more money to get the real experience. This is Apple we're talking about. The whole idea here is for Apple to provide more reasons for it's customers to buy the all-in-one TV. This is what I think they'll do.
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Sorry but makes no sense Apple not allowing apps on the $99 box.

If it makes no sense then how do you explain the AppleTV not having a 3rd-party App Store since 2007?
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Maybe the AppleTv was just waiting for Siri...

Imagine how beautiful it would be, I am in the mood for some How i met your mother episodes...
And it will be there!
It will be legen... wait for it.... dary

Maybe not too far off the mark.
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Nuance Communications says it will also be working to improve home entertainment. Were in discussions with several set-top box manufacturers and cable providers [about] enabling you to speak a particular show or time and have the TV guide jump to that pointjust a very quick search by voice, by genre, by show title, by time, by category, by actor or actress, says Matt Revis, vice president of product management at Nuance.

Wrap that in an Apple interface, ease of use and Apple magic and you get an easy to use TV/home electronics control system.

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If it makes no sense then how do you explain the AppleTV not having a 3rd-party App Store since 2007?

imo they are waiting to launch it on the next iteration of ATV. At some point they will have to provide that service.
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It makes no sense? It makes business sense. If you want apps you have to give us more money to get the real experience. This is Apple we're talking about. The whole idea here is for Apple to provide more reasons for it's customers to buy the all-in-one TV. This is what I think they'll do.

If you want to talk about business sense then Apple should not pursue a TV set in the first place. Especially if you already think it will not have the best specs and cost premium price.
AIO is great for products that can be update regularly. TV sets are products people keep for long time.
That said Apple indeed can just release a TV with apps without giving the same feature to ATV. I wonder if that will be enough to persuade tons of people to pay high price for an AIO device that comes under the premise the ATV box installed inside might go outdate after 2 years or so... We'll find out if ever happens.
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imo they are waiting to launch it on the next iteration of ATV.

Same here, just not in the way you're thinking.

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At some point they will have to provide that service.

Not in the slightest.
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If you want to talk about business sense then Apple should not pursue a TV set in the first place. Especially if you already think it will not have the best specs and cost premium price.

Define premium price? By best specs you mean they wouldn't use a screen technology that I personal prefer and it wouldn't beat products by a company who no longer makes TV's ?
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I wonder if that will be enough to persuade tons of people to pay high price for an AIO device that comes under the premise the ATV box installed inside might go outdate after 2 years or so... We'll find out if ever happens.

Well, given their prices are getting better and better they may be able to price it lower than we might guess, and they would make more profit I'd bet than they might make from 4 Apple TV's - so in that case the argument that you wouldn't replace it couple of years doesn't matter.

What's more; I see the TV business for Apple much like the phone business was for them, in that if they don't do this someone else will, and they will make the Apple TV box irrelevant. Apple's job is for them to be the ones who make the Apple TV box irrelevant, and give the customer a true end-to-end all-in-one it-just-works experience. Just like the way iPhones are making iPods irrelevant for a lot of people.
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Well, given their prices are getting better and better they may be able to price it lower than we might guess, and they would make more profit I'd bet than they might make from 4 Apple TV's - so in that case the argument that you wouldn't replace it couple of years doesn't matter.

What's more; I see the TV business for Apple much like the phone business was for them, in that if they don't do this someone else will, and they will make the Apple TV box irrelevant. Apple's job is for them to be the ones who make the Apple TV box irrelevant, and give the customer a true end-to-end all-in-one it-just-works experience. Just like the way iPhones are making iPods irrelevant for a lot of people.

you are funny. Of course moving large quantities of hardware is important to Apple. They can move millions of $99 boxes if they can show real value to the public.
TVs are a much harder proposition. First due the high price. Second consumers don't update their TVs at the same pace they would with a small and cheap ATV boxes.
Finally and probably most important Apple needs to figure out how to acquire tons of content, way more than what they current have available to excite people to see real value on iTunes and then an AppleTV or Television. Ideally people would like drop their current cable/satellite providers for something of value. Most people pay lots of $$ for hundreds of channels and content they do not want. If Apple can forge some sort of system that can bring what consumers want to watch at lower prices, that will be a huge change for the industry.

You keep referring to a "end-to-end all-in-one it-just-works experience". Why this cannot be done with ATV? Sure it can and at $99 price point is a perfect solution and also easy to attract consumers in large quantities.
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You keep referring to a "end-to-end all-in-one it-just-works experience". Why this cannot be done with ATV? Sure it can and at $99 price point is a perfect solution and also easy to attract consumers in large quantities.

Because the Apple TV is yet another box. Those are not just my words, Steve Jobs said the same thing at the D conference in 2009/2008. With the box you're still left with several devices (at least two), several remotes (at least two), several inputs (at least two), and several UIs (at least two). It's too confusing, it's too messy, it's too fiddley and it's just all-round inelegant and un-Apple.

By Apple making an actual TV you end up with no inputs, one remote, one TV, cool hardware design and superb software design. With that and the right content it's a no-brainer.
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Because the Apple TV is yet another box. Those are not just my words, Steve Jobs said the same thing at the D conference in 2009/2008. With the box you're still left with several devices (at least two), several remotes (at least two), several inputs (at least two), and several UIs (at least two). It's too confusing, it's too messy, it's too fiddley and it's just all round inelegant and un-Apple.

By Apple making an actual TV you end up with no inputs, one remote, one TV, cool hardware design and superb software design. With that and the right content it's a no-brainer.

He said cable was entrenched and disjointed. If you are serious about the AppleTV being 'in' the TV would somehow not have any inputs how do you get cable, sat., DVD, Blu-ray, game consoles each requiring an input and having their own UI connected to your TV? I you say they will be inputs for those appliances then you right back to "it's too confusing, it's too messy, it's too fiddley and it's just all round inelegant and un-Apple."
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He said cable was entrenched and disjointed. If you are serious about the AppleTV being 'in' the TV would somehow not have any inputs how do you get cable, sat., DVD, Blu-ray, game consoles each requiring an input and having their own UI connected to your TV? I you say they will be inputs for those appliances then you right back to "it's too confusing, it's too messy, it's too fiddley and it's just all round inelegant and un-Apple."

Congrats on 25,000!

Wish I had something more to input about the actual post conteOH, got something.

Like I figured in my Apple TV vision, any further meddling Apple does in the TV realm would be to remove the need for those extra boxes entirely, making televisions (all from third-parties and not Apple itself at all ever) with more than one HDMI port redundant and silly. All anyone would ever want or need is to connect their television to an Apple TV, and boom; everything you've ever received from any of your myriad other boxes in one place.



Okay, maybe TVs will have two HDMI ports. One for the Apple TV and one for your chosen game console.

Because we all know they'll never do another Pippin.
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I think one of the points that many are missing is that the HDTV is becoming more than just a device to watch video content from studios.

I see areas of opportunity everywhere via the integration of a computer into the HDTV.

1. Surveillance
2. Presentations (running keynote right from the HDTV
3. Advertising Signage
4. Secondary computer display
5. Education (smart board like capabilities)

I think if Apple rolls out something it's going to straddle a few different markets nicely reducing the total reliance on consumer uptake.
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He said cable was entrenched and disjointed. If you are serious about the AppleTV being 'in' the TV would somehow not have any inputs how do you get cable, sat., DVD, Blu-ray, game consoles — each requiring an input and having their own UI — connected to your TV?

No inputs. One remote. One TV. Wireless. iTV.

Inputs? Well - optical audio, Ethernet, support USB.
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Congrats on 25,000!

Wish I had something more to input about the actual post conte–OH, got something.

Like I figured in my Apple TV vision, any further meddling Apple does in the TV realm would be to remove the need for those extra boxes entirely, making televisions (all from third-parties and not Apple itself at all ever) with more than one HDMI port redundant and silly. All anyone would ever want or need is to connect their television to an Apple TV, and boom; everything you've ever received from any of your myriad other boxes in one place.



Okay, maybe TVs will have two HDMI ports. One for the Apple TV and one for your chosen game console.

Because we all know they'll never do another Pippin.

No bloody inputs! iTV will be the Apple TV. ITV will be the game console.
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I think one of the points that many are missing is that the HDTV is becoming more than just a device to watch video content from studios.

I see areas of opportunity everywhere via the integration of a computer into the HDTV.

1. Surveillance
2. Presentations (running keynote right from the HDTV
3. Advertising Signage
4. Secondary computer display
5. Education (smart board like capabilities)

I think if Apple rolls out something it's going to straddle a few different markets nicely reducing the total reliance on consumer uptake.

You're right, but I think you meant encouraging consumer uptake?
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Steve Jobs previewed Apple TV in September 2006. I acquired apple-tv.com in July 2006. I said Apple will build an all-in-one TV one day, I thought it was going to happen far sooner. You are dead wrong about me on this one.

I remember you from back then too, spamming the threads with stolen mockups, pushing your business site in your sig, etc. That you're a domain squatter seems par for the course.

As far as your sig goes, I stand by my statement. An Apple TV with no other inputs is pretty stupid as there's simply too much content that it wont have to make it a viable HDTV without at least ONE HDMI input.

Like game consoles.
Like cable/sat content locked to a provider for years
Like blu-ray/dvd collections folks already own.

My prediction is that Apple will license AirPlay to TV manufacturers. They'll set minimum UI and performance standards for AirPlay like one button access.

Once you have that, then every TV will be an Apple TV if you own an iOS device and you can get any panel you prefer. It also gives apple total control over the UI since it'll be on the iOS device. Apple can use Siri or just touch depending on the device.

That's one way to crack the TV problem.
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Thinking about it my prediction for Apple branded HDTVs look like this:

Dorm/Den TV

32" or 37" HDTV - 1080p, 802.11N, AirPlay, 1 x TB in and 1 x TB out, 1 x HDMI, combo 1/8" and TOSlink in, combo 1/8" and TOSlink out. aTV built in for standalone use. IPS Panel.

Intended for the dorm or home office and acts as both TV and monitor for MBA as well as for AirPlay. Smaller TVs tend to get used most in these areas as secondary TVs.

Main TV

50"+ HDTV - same as above, just bigger. Not likely to get used as a monitor so the TB out might get dropped but you might as well leave it in.

Maybe BT will be included.
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I remember you from back then too, spamming the threads with stolen mockups, pushing your business site in your sig, etc. That you're a domain squatter seems par for the course.

Stolen mockups? You're a fucking liar.

Domain squatter? Look, if Apple wanted the domain back I'd have to give it to them, and I would. That's not a domain squatter, dude. I was originally going to set it up as a blog about this exact subject. Why they need to build and TV and why they may eventually do it, etc. But I was too busy to put my energy behind it and if it never came to pass I'd have wasted a long time on something that would be ultimately of no use to anyone. So I didn't do it.

And adding my domain in my footer? I'm mean, how dare I.

You're first point was a lie, and you're other points are wrong and idiotic. You truly are a sad person.
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Stolen mockups? You're a fucking liar.

Dude, you posted mockups without attribution and basked in the warm glow of folks posting "nice mockup". I remember reading that back then then looking at the originals and going hey, that's pretty cheap. You got called on that and spamming your shamrock site, which is more than just putting your domain in your sig. You were fighting with someone at the time which was pretty common back then. You had your own mockups too but they weren't the really nice rendered images you were posting.

Heh, back when we actually got excited about new mac hardware, even speed bumps. Man that seems so long ago now and it's only really a few years.

Does anyone else remember Rolo? The original "Apple TV is coming THIS YEAR!" guy.

CONFIRMED!
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Let's leave the personal attacks to e-mails back and forth between one another.

I don't mean PMs, I mean e-mails. "Take it outside", in essence.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Let's… leave the personal attacks to e-mails back and forth between one another.

I don't mean PMs, I mean e-mails. "Take it outside", in essence.

He's got me in his sig. I'm just wondering if he'll man up if he's wrong in his sig as well. Something he hasn't answered eh?
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