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post #41 of 106
Not portable enough for me. Other than than the Mac Pro and iMac's everything else Apple has sold is portable. This isn't.

It might gain traction because it is made by Apple over the short term but long term it won't be worth it, unless of course you can fold it up and take it to some place remote and set it up in less than two minutes and use it with a solar panel and is connected via satellite feed.
post #42 of 106
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An anticipated Apple high-definition television set, complete with iOS features including Siri voice commands, FaceTime video chat and access to the App Store, would be a strong product in a massive $100 billion market.

Correction:...would enable Apple to siphon off the majority of profits in the new multi-billion market - the Smart TV space.

- Just like Apple invented and now owns the majority of profits in the Tablet market space

- Just like Apple invented and now owns the majority of profits in the Smartphone market space

Outstanding, Steve has done it again.

Apple stock at $1000 share, anyone?
post #43 of 106
There are apps that allow an iphone or ipad to control the ATV. I wonder when someone will issue a SIRI compatable version?
post #44 of 106
Apple also had this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Hi-Fi

so I won't get too excited yet.
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post #45 of 106
Steve Jobs was correct. The set top box needs to be torn apart and redesigned from scratch.

I only watch about 10 channels but I have to pay $130.00 for my cable service and Internet. I cut the cord so to speak and now have:
Apple TV (Netflix and iTunes content plus Air Play feature)
Boxee Box (not a good product)
Xbox 360 (to stream ESPN 3 which is the only product at this time that can strean it)
PS3 (for Hulu)

So I have to switch between 4 devices for my content.

Bottom line, it needs to be streamlied. If Apple could allow me to stream Hulu, iTunes, Netlix, ESPN 3 and my stored content on my home network, that would solve a few issues. But, I would still want ESPN and a few other channels which I currently can't get unless I buy a package thru my cable provider.

Face Time, Siri, 1 remote, Games, Internet streaming content, all would be great, but add the content I can't get like ESPN...all for a decent monthly price, I would be interested.

As a owner in the Apple ecosystem (iMac, iPad, iPhone), I would most certainly give the product strong consideration even at a premium. Who am I kidding? I would be one of the 1st peole to pre order. I assmume Apple wouldn't make the mistakes Google did with Google TV and rush it to the market only to slash the price in 1/2 becasue everybody hated it.

post #46 of 106
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The problem is my current TV is lke 20 years old and is seldom turned on. So to even consider a new TV I'd have to see other compelling uses for the display. Given the right features I could see myself going for it, maybe not clamoring though.

Ha! If that's what your usage is like I don't think you personally represent the market =)
post #47 of 106
It's not necessary for them to charge a premium when they are selling content through the TV.
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post #48 of 106
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For my sins I work as an electronics engineer coding RTL for IP for SoCs that are used in DTVs. Most, if not all of these are more complicated than Apple's magical A5. They contain multiple CPU cores along with demods, dsps and frcs ( frame rate converters, the things that do all of the 240Hz post processing nonsense ). Coupled with this is platform SW to tie the entire system together.

Yeah I could see where working on TVs would be a sin. Not so much for the hardware but rather the industry they get attached to.
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All of this good stuff is sold in a chip that sells for 10$ per unit. I say again, 10$ per unit for a chip that is more systemically complex than your wizzy Intel CPU that sells for 150$+ This industry is broken. Big players like Intel and Broadcom have killed development of DTV SoCs. Even the mighty Samsung are losing money in the DTV business.

So how did Intel and Broadcom kill the DTV industry?
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The only way Apple can make money out of this is to own the chain from the headend ( broadcaster/cable company ) down to the TV in your living room. People aren't going to pay big bucks for a TV, Apple logo or not. It will need to be priced aggresively to at least compete in the market although not necessarily undercut it. Revenue, as is the case for the iPod will come from the content, not the HW.

A businessman I once knew said to go into business selling things people want, not what they need. People often need lawn mowers but never invest much money in them. People want iPhone thus throw money at Apple. If Apple can get people to want such a TV then they can stamp any reasonable price on the device. The trick there is in the software.
post #49 of 106
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This will fail if you can't "cut the cord" to the cable and satellite providers for TV programming. It's what Steve DIDN'T want. He always said that unless you reinvented the entire chain and get rid of the extra boxes and remotes that it would not succeed and I agree 100%.

Of course the cable monopolies will just up their charges for broadband internet...

Bill

So this tells you what's going to happen doesn't it? Apple will cut that cord and reinvent the chain otherwise its not worth shipping. Once they have the service in order, in whatever exact form it may take shape, that's when this thing will ship. They are not limited on hardware or software technology. The bottleneck has been and probably is services.

So you can bet this will get resolved. Who knows what that will look like exactly, I'm sure it will be obvious to all of us after it happens.
post #50 of 106
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Originally Posted by veblen View Post

I'm fully entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem and I don't think I'd buy one. I have a 48" Sony that is only 3 years old. I've only bought two tv's in the last 12 years. Hooking a $99 appletv up to my tv works for me personally. I wonder how many folks are clamoring for this? Maybe they don't know they want it yet?

I've intentionally waited to buy an HDTV until Apple gets into the game. They'll push better panel solutions from the current players who keep selling substandard parts with premium prices.
post #51 of 106
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Not portable enough for me. Other than than the Mac Pro and iMac's everything else Apple has sold is portable. This isn't.

It might gain traction because it is made by Apple over the short term but long term it won't be worth it, unless of course you can fold it up and take it to some place remote and set it up in less than two minutes and use it with a solar panel and is connected via satellite feed.

Interesting observation however Apples bid for the living room does not target that demographic since the living room isn't portable. The trend toward mobile computing by younger generations is an interesting phenomena though. I wonder if the current economic crisis and the lack of affordable housing has forced young people in to sharing smaller spaces with more roommates or living with parents longer, which in turn makes staying at home less desirable and therefore may explain the popularity of mobile computing.

Personally I can't wait to get home and enjoy my privacy. Some weekends I don't even leave my house and outdoor space at all.

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Yeah I could see where working on TVs would be a sin. Not so much for the hardware but rather the industry they get attached to.

So how did Intel and Broadcom kill the DTV industry?

A businessman I once knew said to go into business selling things people want, not what they need. People often need lawn mowers but never invest much money in them. People want iPhone thus throw money at Apple. If Apple can get people to want such a TV then they can stamp any reasonable price on the device. The trick there is in the software.

"Big players like Intel and Broadcom have killed development of DTV SoCs"

You misunderstood. Intel and Broadcom killed their respective DTV SoC development because it was not profitable based on the required R&D. They themselves did not kill the industry, the likes of Samsung and the demand for lower and lower prices for consumer electronics did that.

The problem in the development of SoCs is that no one wants to pay for the SW. This isn't the application SW, middleware or even OS. This is the SoC specific platform SW which enables all the IP on the chip to work together. It has to be developed and maintained by the semi company and is now a high proportion of the overall R&D.
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"Big players like Intel and Broadcom have killed development of DTV SoCs"

You misunderstood. Intel and Broadcom killed their respective DTV SoC development because it was not profitable based on the required R&D. They themselves did not kill the industry, the likes of Samsung and the demand for lower and lower prices for consumer electronics did that.

The problem in the development of SoCs is that no one wants to pay for the SW. This isn't the application SW, middleware or even OS. This is the SoC specific platform SW which enables all the IP on the chip to work together. It has to be developed and maintained by the semi company and is now a high proportion of the overall R&D.

Apple will bypass Intel when they make this a reality. They'll use Broadcom only for parts necessary to make their solution complete.
post #54 of 106
From MacWorld article:

<<Last month, the former president of Apples product division, Jean-Louis Gassée, declared that the Apple smart TV is exciting and so obvious its got to happen. Steve Jobs biography suggests that the co-founder of Apple felt that way, too.>>

http://www.macworld.com/article/1632...#lsrc.rss_main

The question isn't do you want one, the question is - does Apple feel there are enough people who will want one.
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If you have to accept the Apple ecosystem and buy content from them, this will be a non-starter. We are not veals in cages.

Exactly. Just like the iPad/iPhone. Who would ever buy one of those and be a veal?
post #56 of 106
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An anticipated Apple high-definition television set, complete with iOS features including Siri voice commands, FaceTime video chat and access to the App Store, would be a strong product in a massive $100 billion market.

New interfaces always create new hardware categories:
- "Finder" is the interface in mouse driven Macintosh hardware
- "Touch" is the interface for finger driven iPhone & iPad hardware
- "Siri" is Apple's new interface for a new category of voice driven hardware

A new interface, if widely adopted, becomes that platforms first "Killer App."

Killer Apps sells killer hardware.

Siri is truly the next Killer App. Have you played with Siri yet? It may not be perfect today, but it is sure a lot of fun - it's intuitive, wonderfully entertaining and my kids really love it. I believe that after several SW evolutions, Siri will emerge with a personality that "wonderfully clicks" with the majority of buyers who purchase a voice-driven device.

Siri is the Killer App that will allow Apple to harvest the majority of profits in the voice-driven Smart TV market space.
post #57 of 106
Sorry, guys. This tv thing for $2-3k sounds like a complete crap.

I just could not resist:

post #58 of 106
Indications from Apple is they'll be a TV but it's only from one analyst that it'll be expensive. Take a 1080P TV and stick a $99 Apple TV in it. Apple wants to sell content through the TV's - there's no reason to sell them for a high price. Monitors cost more because they have a MUCH higher pixel density.
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post #59 of 106
I'm just waiting for the "it's just a 40-inch iPad with TV tuner built-in" comments... or am I too late?
post #60 of 106
I'm a mac fan and have invested in many of apple's products. But unless this thing can beat the picture on my Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma (which I doubt), then I would pass.
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Siri will emerge with a personality that "wonderfully clicks" with the majority of buyers who purchase a voice-driven device.

I wonder if Siri's "personality" will stay the same with iOS 6 or will she all of a sudden be different.

People don't like change when it comes to personal assistants. Reminds me of Ozzy and his assistants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tav5Fhs8hs

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You might have me sold if you add Siri to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8GriGd6vdU



For now I use Elgatos eyetv on my 24" iMac for a second TV in my Bedroom.


I just bought 6 of them -- one for each wall, the ceiling and the floor...

I wonder if Ineed to order the pizza before they are installed
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post #63 of 106
There are a few details that I can conjecture on an Apple HDTV that I think are relatively certain:
  • It will be as much of a computer as it is a traditional TV.
  • It will be iOS based. This could coincide with or have something to do with iOS 6.
  • It will run Apps, and will represent a new App Market for developers. Same as what the iPad did.
  • At this point I think its safe to assume Siri or some future non-beta version of it is built in.
  • How will people control it? Voice, Airplay, iPods, iPhones, iPads. The remote would likely be a multitouch sheet of glass.
  • It may be better to think of this thing as a giant iPod Touch on your wall than a TV set, but this will depend on the user and his usage I think.
  • I would expect that they will find ways to make all existing apps compatible. This was a key feature of the iPad success, they'll want to keep that going.
  • It talks to Apple's cloud and has access to all of your stuff (documents, pictures, music, videos, etc)
  • It has a camera and Facetime. There could be advances here with face or spatial recognition of some kind. Any technology advances like this would be a boon for App developers looking to make some fun, killer apps in this new market.
  • Local storage will be very small, but enough to hold apps and buffer video. Maybe 32GB.
  • It is meant to be standalone and disruptive to existing markets. Cable boxes, bluray, dvd, traditional consoles like X360 and PS3 are intended to be obsolete. As such, external connections will be minimal. Heavy reliance on modern wireless technology. This is Apple doing what they do every so often- adding the new and leaving behind the old.
  • I agree with the analyst theories that the basic killer app will be some new form of iTunes that is subscription based. This will compete very nicely against netflix and even traditional cable if Apple can expand the options a bit more while doing this.
  • In terms of the technology upgrade cycle, local cpu horsepower and so on, being an iOS based computer-HDTV means that it won't be power restricted. The current generation of ARM cpus that all iOS devices are based on now scale up to 16 cores. I'm not suggesting they would put 16 A6 cores inside the set, but they'd probably put in more than what the battery limited devices have or will have anytime soon. This would future-proof the set somewhat, and would allow it to stay useful for years.
  • It will be priced as low as Apple can make it, probably below expectations. How low? I think the iPad is the model here. The expectation was $1000, the reality was $500. Apple, contrary to belief and opinion, wants to make affordable computers. They want their technology in as many hands as possible. They have access to economies of scale and manufacturing capability they've never had before. If they wanted to price it competitively, and I think they can, then they probably will. The price I expect will be comparable to dumb-HDTV's at the time of release (So, my estimate, the $1000 range to start) but far more feature rich, different and clearly better for certain customers.
  • Who wont want it? People who want traditional HDTV's. People who like ports and buttons. People who hate "lack of choice" and walled gardens. People who don't need or use a TV.
  • Who will want it? People interested in technology and the future. People whose computer needs are enough that this IS their computer (ie, the vast masses). People who want to be able to talk to their home and have it obey orders, like every cheesy 80's scifi movie about the near future. =)
post #64 of 106
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Whether or not this is true is largely irrelevant at this point. The idiot analysts are already setting up absurd expectations ($100 B in revenues? Give me a break) that it will be impossible for Apple to meet. Now, if Apple only sells $50 B of HDTVs - or doesn't sell them at all but 'only' triples profit in their existing businesses, all the analysts and media can label Apple a failure again.

jr, you are so TOTALLY right! When I read the story, I was going to post almost the same comment, but after reading yours, no need!

Let the speculation begin
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

You must have been laying really low for the past 5 years, but Apple is now considered the biggest, baddest and most successful tech company in the world. This whole inferiority/persecution complex really must stop.

I guess you missed the analysts' ravings over Apple's most recent results. After all, they only beat their own guidance by 50% on profits - so the analysts and media were quick to call them a failure.

This has been happening over and over lately. Someone comes up with some absurd number that they claim is Apple's target and when Apple fails to meet their instant figure, the "apple is failing" stuff starts all over.
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I'm inclined to agree with you. An upgraded Apple TV with Blu-Ray, Ethernet, Airport, HDMI, and cable tuner would do nearly as much - but the initial audience would be much greater (no need to wait until someone wants to replace their TV). It would also allow Apple to leverage their experience and would undoubtedly provide greater margins. Simplicity wouldn't be harmed much - plug HDMI into your TV and set the TV to HDMI input and everything else could be managed from the Apple TV.

But I have no idea what Apple's plans are. Maybe they've got something great up their sleeve. Maybe they don't. And, frankly, I don't really care. Wake me up when there's a real product.

Apple will NEVER release a blu-ray product that's built in. They're killing off disc media, remember?

Everything is wireless networking these days, so don't count on ethernet. The AppleTV already supports WiFi and has an HDMI-out (I bet it will eventually include Thunderbolt as well).
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Not portable enough for me. Other than than the Mac Pro and iMac's everything else Apple has sold is portable. This isn't.

It might gain traction because it is made by Apple over the short term but long term it won't be worth it, unless of course you can fold it up and take it to some place remote and set it up in less than two minutes and use it with a solar panel and is connected via satellite feed.

Not portable? I can grab it and slip it in my pocket. It's smaller than some Android phones.
post #68 of 106
I was surprised that a new AppleTV wasn't released with the A5; part of me wonders if the slight-but-noticable lag during Airplay mirroring is because the A4 is too slow.

However, maybe the new AppleTV will feature the A6 and be released along with the iPad 3 in the spring.

Assuming it gets a faster processor and given it's faster internet signal (constant connection to WiFi) makes me think Siri will work even faster, giving it the ability to quickly select programming, search Netflix, pause, fast forward, etc.

The remote could just be a single button that activates Siri, along with a supplementary microphone
post #69 of 106
can't help but be reminded of the Apple hifi that was ultimately a complete failure. They tried marketing that as a premium device and the public just kept buying the trusted brands they already know.
post #70 of 106
Apple would never produce "just another tv set with apple tv incorporated"

Imagine what Steve came up in the last two years:

- perfecting curved glass panels as no one else can do (his own words)
- what is the next step for tv besides Siri incorporation?
3D screens viewable without glasses ( see the patents apple has registered already)
- new TV concept has been cracked by Steve acording to his biography

So: the new apple tv could be

A glass bowl showing movies or tv shows as a volumetric 3-D image, kind of hologram, and with no remote control, but listening to Siri commands....

I can,t wait to buy one!
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Sorry, guys. This tv thing for $2-3k sounds like a complete crap.

Yep.

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I just could not resist:

Nor could I several months ago.



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A glass bowl showing movies or tv shows as a volumetric 3-D image, kind of hologram, and with no remote control, but listening to Siri commands....

*blink*

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post #72 of 106
Is it also gonna be 6-bit?
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This will fail if you can't "cut the cord" to the cable and satellite providers for TV programming. It's what Steve DIDN'T want. He always said that unless you reinvented the entire chain and get rid of the extra boxes and remotes that it would not succeed and I agree 100%.

Of course the cable monopolies will just up their charges for broadband internet...

Bill

Assume a TV built to Apple's proven style, quality, UX, etc. including Siri.

Add to this access to content.

Add this delivery capability to the living room and mobile

Add to this an attractive price


A possible alternative (or leveler of the playing field) to the cablecos/telcos is the broadcast spectrums that are going to be auctioned in the near future.

The content owners/providers/aggregators are open to deals to anyone who wants to pay.

The secret to all this, though, IMO, is packaging, bundling and pricing.

What if the package included the TV hardware (including the set), the content, the delivery -- on a 2-year contract that is less than your current cable and/or Internet bill... say $100 per month for the package.

You choose the main TV set kinda' like you chose an iPhone -- with a different (amortized) one-time price for the set based on size/cost.

The package also allows simultaneous concurrent delivery of content to multiple personal TVs within the home or mobile (these look suspiciously like iPads). The "Personal TVs" can be purchased separately or included in the package.

Oh, BTW, the leveled content delivery bandwidth can be used as an alternative to expensive cell data plans.


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Is it also gonna be 6-bit?

I thought 24 bit was what people demand?

Or is that audio?

Don't people want 4:4:4 video, whatever that is?

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If you have to accept the Apple ecosystem and buy content from them, this will be a non-starter. We are not veals in cages.

Have to laugh at people who think that having control of what you're offered is 'closed' and being force-fed garbage via the cable systems is 'freedom'.
Kinda like 'open' Google, huh?

The biggest difficulty with the supposed Apple approach will be that people actually will have to start thinking about what they consume. That is what could be its downfall.
People aren't 'veals' (whatever that is), but 90% are sheep.
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I guess you missed the analysts' ravings over Apple's most recent results. After all, they only beat their own guidance by 50% on profits - so the analysts and media were quick to call them a failure.

This has been happening over and over lately. Someone comes up with some absurd number that they claim is Apple's target and when Apple fails to meet their instant figure, the "apple is failing" stuff starts all over.

Jesus. You really do believe that don't you?

Here's a clue - go read the coverage following the earnings announcement. There was ZERO negative reaction. I can't believe how much you've fooled yourself.
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Jesus. You really do believe that don't you?

Here's a clue - go read the coverage following the earnings announcement. There was ZERO negative reaction. I can't believe how much you've fooled yourself.

Well, the fact is that AAPL did drop, what, $25/share?
And ALL of the coverage led with "Apple misses projections".
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Well, the fact is that AAPL did drop, what, $25/share?
And ALL of the coverage led with "Apple misses projections".

Screw "projections". When have analysts EVER BEEN RIGHT?!

Apple exceeded guidance. That's all that matters.

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ARM Cortex A-15 announced by ARM Holdings and TSMC to stamp out at 20nm.

http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/ar...-processor.php

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ARM and TSMC Tape Out First 20nm ARM Cortex-A15 Multicore Processor
18 October 2011

Hsinchu, Taiwan and Cambridge, UK (OCTOBER 18, 2011) ARM and TSMC (TWSE: 2330, NYSE: TSM) today announced that they have taped out the first 20nm ARM® Cortex-A15 MPCore processor. The two companies completed the implementation from RTL to tape out in six months using TSMCs Open Innovation Platform® (OIP) 20nm design ecosystem.

Building on this tape out, ARM will optimize its physical IP technology to specific TSMC 20nm process technologies for Power, Performance and Area (PPA), driving the specification of the Cortex-A15 Processor Optimization Pack (POP). TSMCs 20nm process provides more than a 2X performance increase over preceding generations.

This first 20nm ARM Cortex-A15 tape out paves the way for the next generation of SoC integration and performance, said Mike Inglis, Executive Vice President and General Manager, Processor Division, ARM. We value the work carried out between ARM, TSMC and its design ecosystem partners to achieve this milestone. It is a strong testimonial of our mutual commitment to provide industry leading technology for advanced node designs. The combination of TSMC technology, the latest ARM Cortex-A15 processor and Artisan physical IP will help meet the increasing demand for high performance, energy-efficient consumer devices.

Our ongoing collaboration with ARM has resulted in this early 20nm achievement, said Dr. Cliff Hou, TSMC Vice President, Design and Technology Platform. Our customers can successfully engage in fast-growth markets with optimized physical IP, Cortex-A15 processors and TSMCs advanced technology.

The Cortex-A15 processors low-power, high-performance and advanced feature set is perfectly suited to 20nm process implementations. Resulting SoCs will be ideal for a wide variety of markets, including smartphone, tablet, mobile computing, high-end digital home, servers, and wireless infrastructure.

This announcement highlights the continued and increased collaboration between ARM and TSMC. The test chip was implemented using a commercially available 20nm tool chain and design services provided by the OIP ecosystem and ARM Connected Community partners. This successful collaborative milestone is confirmation of TSMCs Open Innovation Platform (OIP) that promotes innovation for the semiconductor design community.

The ARM Connected Community ecosystem is one of the largest in the industry, comprising over 900 companies. The community provides solutions integrating, using or supporting the ARM architecture, and includes industry leaders from every aspect of the design cycle. The ARM Connected Community ensures the broadest level of support and supply chain for ARM technology-based SoCs.

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Some body trying jack up Apple's stock with this absurd assumption. 100 billion! STFU!
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