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Competition among 4G-capable long-term evolution smartphones is predicted to intensify in 2012, when industry insiders believe Apple will join the fray with its own LTE iPhone model.

In the U.S., most of the current 4G share of smartphones is held by HTC, while other major vendors including Samsung, Motorola and LG all sell LTE-enabled models. But a market shift is anticipated for 2012, when Apple is "expected to join the LTE club," according to sources who spoke with DigiTimes.

Apple's entrance into the 4G LTE smartphone market is expected to come as Nokia, Research in Motion and Sony Ericsson also release their own next-generation high-speed handsets next year. The debut of those smartphones will come as carriers around the world launch their own LTE networks.

Just 35 LTE networks are on-line globally at the moment, but that number is expected to triple and exceed 100 before the end of 2012. By 2015, LTE networks are expected to reach 290 million people, and sales of LTE smartphones are projected to top 154 million units.

In the U.S., competition for 4G networks is expected to pick up next year, when Sprint launches its own LTE services in the middle of the year. The third-largest carrier in America, which began offering the iPhone earlier this month, reportedly expects to launch 15 LTE-enabled devices in mid-2012.

Earlier this year, reports claimed that Apple had eyed building an LTE-capable iPhone in 2011, but opted to push back the launch of such a device in 2012. It was said that the implementation of LTE networks had not yet matured enough to satisfy Apple.

In a quarterly conference call earlier this year, Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook, then the company's chief operating officer, said that poor battery life and other issues with current LTE technology were enough to dissuade the company from pursuing an LTE iPhone at the time.



"The first generation of LTE chipsets force a lot of design compromises with the handset, and some of those we are just not willing to make," Cook said.

The just-released iPhone 4S features an improved antenna that it HSDPA compatible for theoretical download speeds of up to 14.4Mbps. That has led U.S. carrier AT&T to advertise that the iPhone 4S has 4G-like speeds on its GSM network. However, the world-mode phone is not capable of achieving those same speeds on CDMA networks with carriers like Sprint and Verizon.
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Assume these are the same analysts and bloggers that told everyone to expect these features in this years model too......

Apple will release it when they are good and ready, they will not sacrifice battery life or design for a feature that even by next year will not have anywhere near full implementation from carriers.

Heck, sometimes it's hard to find a decent 3G signal in many parts of the UK, let alone 4G!
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I think we're rounding the corner in terms of these 'compromises' that Cook mentioned. The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.
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Wow, no sh*t.
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Competition among 4G-capable long-term evolution smartphones is predicted to intensify in 2012, when industry insiders believe Apple will join the fray with its own LTE iPhone model.


Duh.
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Frankly, until there is some compelling reason to have even faster web access, I'm just not convinced I need to pay extra to the phone companies for LTE speed. I get emails fast enough - and I'm only using the browser or web accessed apps at times when I'm moving between home and destination.

I'm all for faster speeds, but I'd rather have greater connectivity, or more consistent connectivity, first.
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What will it be called. We already have the 5th generation iPhone (4S), so it can't be called the iPhone 5. Can it be called iPhone 4G or is that too many 4's (iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPhone 4G). How about iPhone 6....?
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Frankly, until there is some compelling reason to have even faster web access, I'm just not convinced I need to pay extra to the phone companies for LTE speed.

You don't pay Verizon extra. You pay Sprint and who knows/cares about AT&T, but you don't pay Verizon extra.

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What will it be called. We already have the 5th generation iPhone (4S), so it can't be called the iPhone 5. Can it be called iPhone 4G or is that too many 4's (iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPhone 4G). How about iPhone 6....?

Full renumbering comes alongside an external redesign or telephony change.

So the 3G wasn't the 2 to highlight the 3G telephony.

The 3GS wasn't the 3 because it was still 3G and retained the same case.

The 4 was the four, returning the name-generation sync, because of the new enclosure.

The 4S wasn't the 5 because it was still 3G and retained the same case.

The next one should be the 6 because it should have a new enclosure.

"But what about LTE?"

Yep, I believe the next model will absolutely have LTE.

"So why wouldn't it be the iPhone LTE or iPhone 4G?"

I have a reason for each.

To the first, it sounds a little silly and out of place. As proof of Apple not naming iPhones after a specific branch of a level of telephony, you didn't see the iPhone 3G get called the iPhone HSDPA, did you? Or the 3GS called the iPhone HSDPA+?

To the second, I was fully behind the possibility of either the iPhone 6 or iPhone 4G name at first. I assumed Apple would want to milk the number "4" for as long as possible.

But then I watched the video stream of the iPhone 4S keynote. And Phil Schiller himself said that Apple doesn't want to get mixed up in the whole naming convention game. He said that Apple is going to leave it to the telecoms and regulatory bodies to decide what 4G is and isn't.

So with the definition of 4G being far more ambiguous than 3G ever was, I don't see Apple calling the 6th iPhone "iPhone 4G".

Which leaves iPhone 6 as the only logical, viable name, unless they perfect holography or switch to a flexible screen. In which case, it'd be the iPhone H or iPhone F (hey, look, the sixth letter), respectively. But that's just a flight of fancy.

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Full renumbering comes alongside an external redesign or telephony change.

The next one should be the 6 because it should have a new enclosure.

"But what about LTE?"

Yep, I believe the next model will absolutely have LTE.

"So why wouldn't it be the iPhone LTE or iPhone 4G?"

I have a reason for each.

To the first, it sounds a little silly and out of place. As proof of Apple not naming iPhones after a specific branch of a level of telephony, you didn't see the iPhone 3G get called the iPhone HSDPA, did you? Or the 3GS called the iPhone HSDPA+?

To the second, I was fully behind the possibility of either the iPhone 6 or iPhone 4G name at first. I assumed Apple would want to milk the number "4" for as long as possible.

But then I watched the video stream of the iPhone 4S keynote. And Phil Schiller himself said that Apple doesn't want to get mixed up in the whole naming convention game. He said that Apple is going to leave it to the telecoms and regulatory bodies to decide what 4G is and isn't.

So with the definition of 4G being far more ambiguous than 3G ever was, I don't see Apple calling the 6th iPhone "iPhone 4G".

Which leaves iPhone 6 as the only logical, viable name, unless they perfect holography or switch to a flexible screen. In which case, it'd be the iPhone H or iPhone F (hey, look, the sixth letter), respectively. But that's just a flight of fancy.

It won't be the iPhone LTE... it sounds too much like iPhone Lite.

... and, because so many people on here have written off iPhone 5 then that is probably what it will be.
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The thing is people don't care about 3G, 4G, 5G etc. People on forums like these do, because we all know what it means, but an ordinary person is happy with current phones. It's only the tech-savvy push for such changes and then people agree even though they have no idea what 4G or any other term means.
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I think we're rounding the corner in terms of these 'compromises' that Cook mentioned. The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.

The article dagamer54 references explains it. The Droid won't sell half as much as the iPhone, so they don't need as much of a supply of some of the components as Apple does.

8 months from now hopefully things will be different.
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I'll have to throw my hat into the "doesn't matter to me" camp, since it will be years before I ever see LTE at my house, and I work out of my home. Heck, we just got 3G from AT&T earlier this year, and HSPA+ in June! I love my 4S, so I cannot see the benefit to an LTE phone any time soon. I'll wait for the 5S or 6S, whatever it might be called.
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The thing is people don't care about 3G, 4G, 5G etc. People on forums like these do, because we all know what it means, but an ordinary person is happy with current phones. It's only the tech-savvy push for such changes and then people agree even though they have no idea what 4G or any other term means.

Sales people like terms such as 4G... as in:

"Oh, this phone is much better than the other one... it has 4G."

"What's 4G?"

"It makes your phone go faster."

"What about an iPhone?"

"Oh, Apple is way behind. They don't offer 4g. [...and I won't mention Apple doesn't hand out any spiffs]."
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With a 2GB cap, LTE can use up all your BW in 6-20 mins depending on speed. The ATT scheme currently in the 4S can be out in 11-30 mins. Capacity not speed is holding the networks back.
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The thing is people don't care about 3G, 4G, 5G etc. People on forums like these do, because we all know what it means, but an ordinary person is happy with current phones. It's only the tech-savvy push for such changes and then people agree even though they have no idea what 4G or any other term means.

True, but people do understand "faster". And for some it will matter (maybe not now but as soon as they see their friends' LTE phones in action) and for others it won't. The former group probably is big enough that the smart phone industry players cannot afford to ignore them.
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Check http://4g-patrullen.se/ what LTE speeds should be.
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Eventually a pie-eyed dream will become a reality in technology. I think 2012 is the year LTE and HSPA+ will enter the iPhone making it '4G' across the board for carriers. Same case design will mean iPhone 4G and a different case design will mean iPhone 6 or something entire entirely, but not iPhone 5.
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I think we're rounding the corner in terms of these 'compromises' that Cook mentioned. The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.


Try just under 12 months (10/2012) from now.
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Saying "expected to" is basically worse than a rumor, because now you (AppleInsider) are making promises that Apple has to keep.

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I have an iPhone 4, and it drops back to edge every couple of minutes of use, 4G is not a widely deployed spectrum across all U.S. carriers. I don't see the need to stress it's importance at this point.
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I have an iPhone 4, and it drops back to edge every couple of minutes of use, 4G is not a widely deployed spectrum across all U.S. carriers. I don't see the need to stress it's importance at this point.

Exactly what Apple was thinking with the 4S.

Conversation with my Wife:

"Do you mind that your 4S doesn't have 4G?"

"Four what?!"

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The new Motorola Bionic has good battery life with 4G now. I know two people that have them and they easily last 8-10hr for a normal day of use which is fine with me. They are both on Verizon and the download speeds are very fast here in Atlanta.

The main reason I did not get an iPhone is that they are not 4G yet... I'll probably get a Motorola Razor or Samsnung Nexus when they are available later this year. In my work the 4G speed is a big benefit along with some other features that Android offers that are not available on the iPhone like being able to download a file and copy it via Wifi or USB to a customer's computer. It Helps a lot during service calls to be able to get Firmware this way...
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Competition among 4G-capable long-term evolution smartphones is predicted to intensify in 2012, when industry insiders believe Apple will join the fray with its own LTE iPhone model.

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post #26 of 83
Where is my iPad 3 with retina display that was supposed to come out this Fall? Or, how about that redesigned iPhone 5 with a larger screen but thinner design?
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Based on what's known about the tech and networks, does LTE make it more likely to see a "universal" phone that would also run on T-Mobile?

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The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.

How is battery life?

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...it can't be called the iPhone 5.

Nonsense. Apple releases the next iPhone called the 5, people buy it, and...what exactly would the problem be with calling it "5"?

It's the next big update after the 4 models, what else would they call it but 5?


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Where is my iPad 3 with retina display that was supposed to come out this Fall? Or, how about that redesigned iPhone 5 with a larger screen but thinner design?

Neither of those were "supposed" to come out, just rumors with no facts to back them up.
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It won't be the iPhone LTE... it sounds too much like iPhone Lite.

... and, because so many people on here have written off iPhone 5 then that is probably what it will be.

I don't think so. I agree with Tallest Skil in that unless there is a hardware based reason for calling it something else, they will go with the generation number.

The sixth generation phone will of course be iPhone 6 (not 5), unless there is some new technology which needs to be highlighted. Even then it's likely that they will use the generation number as the base (like "iPhone 6 LTE" or something).
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Sales people like terms such as 4G... as in:

"Oh, this phone is much better than the other one... it has 4G."

"What's 4G?"

"It makes your phone go faster."

"What about an iPhone?"

"Oh, Apple is way behind. They don't offer 4g. [...and I won't mention Apple doesn't hand out any spiffs]."

Yeah, but the fact that carrier stores and all the employees that man them are deceitful arm-twisting salesmen who don't know right from wrong and will lie through their teeth to get a sale is something that the manufacturer shouldn't really worry about.

They have very little control over that stuff outside of bribing the players to promote their phone and Apple (uniquely in fact) is AFAIK the only cell phone manufacturer that has already sworn off such payola.

It puts them in a tough spot in that outside of their own retail stores, the iPhone is rarely promoted (or even visible sometimes), but it's a moral issue. Personally, I applaud them for refusing to stoop to the kind of bribery and sweetheart deals that the other manufacturers use.

The iPhone sells on it's actual merits, but mostly to informed customers. It's literally the "smart choice." If someone is so stupid as to take the word of one of those sharpie sale men in the cell phone store over the facts, then they can't be helped.
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Neither of those were "supposed" to come out, just rumors with no facts to back them up.

I was poking fun at industry analysts with more predictions.
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I don't think so. I agree with Tallest Skil in that unless there is a hardware based reason for calling it something else, they will go with the generation number.

The sixth generation phone will of course be iPhone 6 (not 5), unless there is some new technology which needs to be highlighted. Even then it's likely that they will use the generation number as the base (like "iPhone 6 LTE" or something).

I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?

Here on AI, we have been following each and every release since the original but the average customer isn't focused on the details so much. They see a 4 right now and would be surprised if the next phone was called 6.

Right now we are at iPhone 4.2. The next version will probably be iPhone 5.

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I think we're rounding the corner in terms of these 'compromises' that Cook mentioned. The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.

1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.

2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.

3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.

4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.


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How is battery life?

It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.

edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usage

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4910/m...-with-4g-lte/2 As you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.

Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.

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I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?

Was this ever asked about the iPhone 2 or iPhone 3? Of course not. Only one out of five generations have been given a commercial model number that matched its generational number: iPhone 4.
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I don't think so. I agree with Tallest Skil in that unless there is a hardware based reason for calling it something else, they will go with the generation number.

The sixth generation phone will of course be iPhone 6 (not 5), unless there is some new technology which needs to be highlighted. Even then it's likely that they will use the generation number as the base (like "iPhone 6 LTE" or something).

I can hear the Android fans now...

"Apple skipped the iPhone 5 because they were so far behind android that they dropped the iPhone 5 they were working on and rushed the iPhone 6 to market!"

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How much of the world will have LTE next year?

Motorola can make an LTE phone for Verizon... and still make other 3G phones for the rest of the world.

Apple tends to keep their product lines tidy...
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Was this ever asked about the iPhone 2 or iPhone 3? Of course not. Only one out of five generations have been given a commercial model number that matched its generational number: iPhone 4.

Again, that is ancient history followed only by us geeks and no iPhone 2 when there wasn't an iPhone 1 so no they didn't ask. Now the general public is aware of the current model number and expects a 5 at some point, unless there is a complete departure from the numbering system such as LTE which I think is unlikely. Apple would rather have a few geeks disappointed than the entire news media publishing confusing theories about the unexpected name of the newest iPhone.

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Again, that is ancient history followed only by us geeks and no iPhone 2 when there wasn't an iPhone 1 so no they didn't ask. Now the general public is aware of the current model number and expects a 5 at some point, unless there is a complete departure from the numbering system such as LTE which I think is unlikely. Apple would rather have a few geeks disappointed than the entire news media publishing confusing theories about the unexpected name of the newest iPhone.

If that were the case then they would have called the 5th gen. iPhone the iPhone 5. They didn't.

All they have to do is say that the 6th generation iPhone will be called blah blah. That's it!

The general public doesn't name Apple's products, Apple does. They don't have focus groups and surveys to get customer opinions on the matter. Remember how people hated MobileMe and iCloud? How they hated MacBook, MacBook Pro and Mac Pro? How they hate the ubiquitous iTunes?
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I'm another 'Just got 3G and it still doesn't work everywhere'.. LTE is a pipe dream here... so until they get LTE battery usage comparable to 3G battery usage I'm not interested. Just seems like another line item the fanboys want so they can banter with the android fanboys.
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If that were the case then they would have called the 5th gen. iPhone the iPhone 5. They didn't.

All they have to do is say that the 6th generation iPhone will be called blah blah. That's it!

The general public doesn't name Apple's products, Apple does. They don't have focus groups and surveys to get customer opinions on the matter. Remember how people hated MobileMe and iCloud? How they hated MacBook, MacBook Pro and Mac Pro? How they hate the ubiquitous iTunes?

Whatever it is a long way off and things can change. For me it makes no difference, I'm just imagining the discussions in the board room. Maybe they will keep the same case and screen size and call it the iPhone 4SII. I don't care so I won't comment about it any more. At least not today.

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How much of the world will have LTE next year?

Motorola can make an LTE phone for Verizon... and still make other 3G phones for the rest of the world.

Apple tends to keep their product lines tidy...

The reason for the tidiness... one word... Performa... a word that can make old Apple fans shudder.
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