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post #41 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by thataveragejoe View Post

The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.

Motorola has clever marketeers. It's only 7.1 mm thin if you don't count the thick part (as shown in photos above).
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post #42 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

[...] So with the definition of 4G being far more ambiguous than 3G ever was, I don't see Apple calling the 6th iPhone "iPhone 4G". [...]

Amen brother. Just so we're clear, let's all remember that LTE is still just "evolved 3G." LTE and WiMax are "4G technologies" in the same sense that the wheel is an "automotive technology." Just building blocks. Precursors to the final product.

The ITU will determine the final 4G spec, and here's what they have to say about LTE and WiMax:

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As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as 4G, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

Here's the full statement from the ITU: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/p...s/2010/48.aspx

The LTE Advanced spec is supposedly a relatively simple update to LTE, and LTE Advanced just might be chosen as the "real 4G" spec. We'll know some time next year.

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post #43 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

The term "4G" isn't even defined yet.

Remember that the ITU has already given their blessing for calling LTE and WiMAX '4G', as noted by your quoted text. Not that it really matters because no governing body I'm aware of requires carrier and handset vendors to use ITU definitions for marketing their products or services. If AT&T wants to call HSPA+ their '4G' network they well within their rights to do so.
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post #44 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post

people agree even though they have no idea what 4G or any other term means.

They know that with 4G, the Internet will work faster. People are not dolts.


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post #45 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by zindako View Post

I have an iPhone 4, and it drops back to edge every couple of minutes of use, 4G is not a widely deployed spectrum across all U.S. carriers. I don't see the need to stress it's importance at this point.

The vast majority of people do not live in areas with marginal coverage. We're not in Kansas anymore.
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post #46 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


"Do you mind that your 4S doesn't have 4G?"

"Four what?!"


"4G. It makes the internet a bunch faster, like when you use Google Maps and stuff."


"Yeah - Get me that!"
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post #47 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by thataveragejoe View Post

I think we're rounding the corner in terms of these 'compromises' that Cook mentioned. The upcoming Droid Razr is only 7.1mm and has LTE. If Motorola can do it, no reason Apple can't, especially 8 months or so from now.

To say that the RAZR is only 7.1m thick is like saying the MacBook Air is 0.2" thin. In other words, that's ignoring the thickest part of the slab which, in Motorola's case, is the hunchback camera.
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post #48 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

How much of the world will have LTE next year?

They've got it where I live.

That's probably why I always see new Android phones everywhere, and hardly ever see anybody with an iPhone.
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post #49 of 83
10/25/11 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

"4G. It makes the internet a bunch faster, like when you use Google Maps and stuff."

"Yeah - Get me that!"

"Sorry. It won't be available where you live for five more years. And when you get it, you'll have to pay more (unless you're on Verizon) and you'll reach your bandwidth cap faster."

"So why should I care about it?"

"You shouldn't."
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post #50 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1 View Post

Frankly, until there is some compelling reason to have even faster web access, I'm just not convinced I need to pay extra to the phone companies for LTE speed. I get emails fast enough - and I'm only using the browser or web accessed apps at times when I'm moving between home and destination.

I'm all for faster speeds, but I'd rather have greater connectivity, or more consistent connectivity, first.

Look for the day when LTE modems replace DSL and cable modems in the home. The carriers/providers would like nothing else but to eliminate the physical wires (twisted pair and coax) going to the home, eliminating the cost of maintenance and the workforce needed to provide that maintenance. There's already talk about AT&T uverse going wireless in the future. Stick a vrad box in a neighborhood with an antenna on top of it and transmit the uverse signal to the homes. Remember LTE stands for Long Term Evolution. Even the current theoretical speeds of 4G LTE is enough for high definition video. In five years the sky could be the limit in terms of wireless bandwidth.
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post #51 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Look for the day when LTE modems replace DSL and cable modems in the home.

HA HAH AH AH A HAHA H AH AH A HA HAHAHA

Capping my home Internet to 2GB a month! That's hilarious!
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post #52 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Exactly what Apple was thinking with the 4S.

Conversation with my Wife:

"Do you mind that your 4S doesn't have 4G?"

"Four what?!"



...does that mean that the guys who have phones with marginal performance will be trying to locate the 4G spot?
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post #53 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

HA HAH AH AH A HAHA H AH AH A HA HAHAHA

Capping my home Internet to 2GB a month! That's hilarious!

And where, exactly, will you go if this happens? Simple economics. No physical wires means no "last mile" infrastructure build costs, no maintenance costs, no labor costs. Let's just say I work in the industry and can tell you that gigabit Ethernet is being deployed at a blinding pace to every cell tower out there. There are already Fujitsu 400 gigabit transmission systems operating in the central office where I spend my eight hours a day, along with 40 gigabit routers made by Juniper Networks. It's coming, my friend, and it will be sooner rather than later.
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post #54 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

And where, exactly, will you go if this happens?

I'll just not have Internet. Simple.

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no "last mile" infrastructure build costs, no maintenance costs, no labor costs.



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gigabit Ethernet is being deployed There are already 400 gigabit transmission systems operating along with 40 gigabit routers

So, uh why does the industry think it can cap us, throttle us, and overcharge us for trash networks?
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post #55 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:38am
Just like the 4S was supposed to.
Seriously, why are these articles even here?
TalkAndroid anyone?
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post #56 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Yeah, but the fact that carrier stores and all the employees that man them are deceitful arm-twisting salesmen who don't know right from wrong and will lie through their teeth to get a sale is something that the manufacturer shouldn't really worry about.

They have very little control over that stuff outside of bribing the players to promote their phone and Apple (uniquely in fact) is AFAIK the only cell phone manufacturer that has already sworn off such payola.

It puts them in a tough spot in that outside of their own retail stores, the iPhone is rarely promoted (or even visible sometimes), but it's a moral issue. Personally, I applaud them for refusing to stoop to the kind of bribery and sweetheart deals that the other manufacturers use.

The iPhone sells on it's actual merits, but mostly to informed customers. It's literally the "smart choice." If someone is so stupid as to take the word of one of those sharpie sale men in the cell phone store over the facts, then they can't be helped.

I don't know about now, but back when we had the computer stores (1978-1989) Apple offered SPIFFS -- as did many other manufacturers.

Management were able to control the use of SPIFFS by deciding which were allowed (which products management wanted to sell) and pooling any payments among all the stores' employees (including accounting, phone, counter, training/checkout, service, delivery... everybody).

Our employees were salaried with overtime/comptime and no commissions.

Our goal was to treat every customer as a customer of Computer Plus -- regardless of who initially served/sold to him.

This avoided any of that: "Oh, I can't help her, she's Larry's customer"... they were all "Computer Plus'" customers.

It worked out quite well as we had a lot of new reference/recommendation sales and repeat customers.

My point, If a retailer cares to -- it can control how the customer is treated, what is being sold and how it is being sold... and stand behind their sales.


It is interesting that Best Buy, for one, does not pay commissions...
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post #57 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

And where, exactly, will you go if this happens? Simple economics. No physical wires means no "last mile" infrastructure build costs, no maintenance costs, no labor costs. Let's just say I work in the industry and can tell you that gigabit Ethernet is being deployed at a blinding pace to every cell tower out there. There are already Fujitsu 400 gigabit transmission systems operating in the central office where I spend my eight hours a day, along with 40 gigabit routers made by Juniper Networks. It's coming, my friend, and it will be sooner rather than later.

I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.

And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.

But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.

Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.

LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.
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post #58 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by LogicNReason View Post

Just like the 4S was supposed to.
Seriously, why are these articles even here?

2012 is the first year that LTE has even made sense for Apple. We'll know more by CES 2012 if we see svelte smartphones with LTE and reports of decent battery life.
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post #59 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'll just not have Internet. Simple.

Yeah, right.


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So, uh… why does the industry think it can cap us, throttle us, and overcharge us for trash networks?

Because it's all about the money. Carriers are already capping "home internet" but at much higher levels. The same will apply when DSL and cable modems become obsolete. You'll get your 10-20 Mbps wireless "home" connection with a cap. I'm not a network engineer, just a union craft puke who cleans and connects fiber optic jumpers all day long and I can clearly see what's coming down the pike with LTE and/or successor technologies.
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post #60 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:51am
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I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?

Here on AI, we have been following each and every release since the original but the average customer isn't focused on the details so much. They see a 4 right now and would be surprised if the next phone was called 6.

Right now we are at iPhone 4.2. The next version will probably be iPhone 5.

I used to have a sig that went something like this:

"The 1G iPhone is 2G, 2G is actually 2.5G; the 2G iPhone is 3G and 2.5G -- there is no 2G..."

Maybe it's time to give a little thought to a new sig -- to help clarify things... but, sigh, sigs are limited to 240 characters.
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post #61 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:51am
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HSDPA compatible for theoretical download speeds of up to 14.4Mbps. That has led U.S. carrier AT&T to advertise that the iPhone 4S has 4G-like speeds on its GSM network.

Speedtest, on an iPhone 4S moments ago: 0.7Mbps down/0.03Mbps up. 4G speeds my foot. If AT&T can get us consistent 3G speeds (3Mbps down), I'll be perfectly happy.

Improve your bandwidth in NYC, AT&T! Four years of abysmal failure is long enough.
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post #62 of 83
10/25/11 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Yeah, right.

Don't presume to tell me what I will and will not do. I have no need for the Internet. I do not require it to live, nor do I need it for any pressing matters.

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I'm not a network engineer, just a union craft puke who cleans and connects fiber optic jumpers all day long and I can clearly see what's coming down the pike with LTE and/or successor technologies.

Things will fundamentally change long before this comes to pass.
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post #63 of 83
10/25/11 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) The Droid RAZR t has LTE with a considerably larger case on two axes which means more room for internal components.

2) It's only 7.1mm on the thinnest part, not over the entire plane, unlike the iPhone which is 9.3mm over the entire plane. Again, see point 1 about the size of the device and how that relates to three-dimensional object's internal space for components.[INDENT]

3) You also don't know how good the battery life is for '3G' or what '4G' battery life will be so to assume that because it's god enough for Moto it's good enough for Apple is starting off with a failed argument.

4) It's not on the market and the iPhone 4S is. Adding that to Moto's track record it's best you wait for some testing before holding up the Droid as a breakthrough device.



It has a sealed battery that the user can't remove which is a problem for Android phones that need to remove the battery to reset the device when it freezes up on you.

edit: According to AnandTech the Droid RAZR should be about the same as the Droid Bionic. Unfortunately for Droid RAZR buyers, being a sealed battery means no option of using a camelback battery pack and the fact Moto offers such an option for the Bionic should be a sign of Android and LTE's power usage
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4910/m...-with-4g-lte/2 As you can see from the first image the Droid Bionic is much worse than the iPhone even with double the battery size and without it LTE just becomes a very poor compromise if you want more than a half a day between charges.Now with WiFi data you see the Droid Bionic do considerably better, but this is WiFi, not LTE and with the extended battery pack which tells us how gigantic this extended battery pack is for the Droid Bionic, which isn't something the Droid RAZR will even have an option of using.

We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.

With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.

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post #64 of 83
10/25/11 at 12:06pm
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We had Mophie Air JuicePacks for our iPhone 3G and 3GS. They worked great -- didn't add much weight or bulk. The only problem was the mini-USB port tended to break off internally. After getting 4 free replacements from Mophie, we felt it wasn't fair to ask for any more.

With that caveat, I have the highest regard for Mophie, their products, and the way they treat their customers.


I used Mophie with my iPhone 3G an 3GS but with the iPhone 4 the duration was long enough that I didn't need it. It still made it quite a bit bulkier for me that it wasn't as comfortable to hold in my hand. These Android-based phones are already considerably larger than any iPhone has ever been.
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post #65 of 83
10/25/11 at 12:06pm
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I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.

And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.

But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.

Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.

LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.

AT&T's current cap for DSL service is 150GB, 250GB for uverse. I didn't mean to imply that home wireless modems would have caps similar to cellular data plans. And again, these predictions by me are based in what I hear and read around me in my daily travels. I see alll this huge bandwidth capacity getting into place and it's not just going to sit there and go unused.
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post #66 of 83
10/25/11 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Whatever it is a long way off and things can change. For me it makes no difference, I'm just imagining the discussions in the board room. Maybe they will keep the same case and screen size and call it the iPhone 4SII. I don't care so I won't comment about it any more. At least not today.

I'm hoping for the iPhone WoeBeGone... followed by the iPhone Minnehaha 4U.
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10/25/11 at 12:12pm
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I think it will be iPhone 5. If they make it iPhone 6 the average person on the street is going to ask what happened to iPhone 5? Why did they skip a number?

Here on AI, we have been following each and every release since the original but the average customer isn't focused on the details so much. They see a 4 right now and would be surprised if the next phone was called 6.

Right now we are at iPhone 4.2. The next version will probably be iPhone 5.

They already skipped a number calling the iPhone2 "iPhone 3G."

I already predicted that the next 2 iPhones will be called "iPhone LTE" and "iPhone7"

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10/25/11 at 12:45pm
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I think we're decades off from that being common place. Just look at how long cellphones were around before they started replacing land lines.

And that's a simple exchange since you can only be on one phone at a time and you get plenty of minutes from your mobile network operator, or extra minutes if you fold the savings from a landline into your cellphone bill.

But data is different. Customers tend to have multiple devices they want connected, sometimes at the same time. They also need ever increasing amounts of data. Not just from lifestyle changes but from the internet itself pushing more data just to render a single website.

Consumers may even place less phone calls than they use to because of the internet. I know I sure have.

LTE might be the first that can feasibly replace cable and DSL for many customers in terms of speeds, but without a much higher data cap it's not going to be enough for a home of computers and internet capable devices. 5GB caps aren't going to cut it for a family of four with 1 desktop, 2 notebooks, 2 iPads, 4 smartphones, and a game console or two.

We have ATT Mobile, Family Plan with 2 iPhones 25GB and 30GB data, Unlimited texting and 3 feature phones. Our monthly bill runs around $200/month.

We have ATT U-verse Internet/Cable TV with 3 STBs no premium channels, no landline phone. The bill for this is about $225/month. (Previously had Comcast, about the same cost for poorer performance).

3 of our 6 iPads ( 3 iPad 1 and 3 iPad 2) have 3G -- we rarely use this... but ATT conveniently [for them] renews the service for the month after any month we use it. We probably average $15/month for 4 months -- so average of $5/month.

So, we pay ATT about $430 per month for the privilege

We also have 3 older SIMLess (WiFi) iPhones that the kids use as iPod Touches.


So we're paying ATT about $250


I have no idea how much Internet bandwidth we can handle concurrently -- but it is not unusual for 2-3 people using their WiFi connection to the Internet concurrently, streaming movies from Netflix.

We have 5GHz Airport WiFi on most devices and computers.


I think at tonight's group reading session, I'll run an experiment and fire up [1-5 iPhones and 1-6 iPads} on Netflix to see where the cutoff is.

Any bets?
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10/25/11 at 12:49pm
I LTE think Service will be awesome but more stuff you add to this phone will drain the battery.Apple needs to come out with a battery that can take abuse.If I am not in my carriers zone,it drains the battery fast

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10/25/11 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'll just not have Internet. Simple.






So, uh why does the industry think it can cap us, throttle us, and overcharge us for trash networks?

Yeah...we can't wait!

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10/25/11 at 12:59pm
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Yeah...we can't wait!

This from the guy who can't possibly comprehend a human being owning an iPhone without having paid a telecom to do so.

Abject nonsense, you are.
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10/25/11 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

Motorola has clever marketeers. It's only 7.1 mm thin if you don't count the thick part (as shown in photos above).

To you and everyone else complaining. 90% of the phone is 7.1 mm and the whole phone is no deeper than the iPhone. In fact sitting on top of it, the iPhone looks kinda clunky.




The hump is also for the camera, not because of anything for LTE.

Now as for battery life, it seems more than doable.

I know testers with it who also confirm it's the best LTE phone so far on battery life. (Good luck with the new Nexus) Not saying to run out and buy it, but my point still stands that we're rounding the LTE corner where it's more manageable than it was almost a year ago when it first hit mainstream. 2012 seems logical to see it an iPhone/iPad.
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10/25/11 at 1:04pm
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This from the guy who can't possibly comprehend a human being owning an iPhone without having paid a telecom to do so.

Abject nonsense, you are.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'll just not have Internet. Simple.

from a guy who constantly posts on the internet all day long.....nuff said!

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post #74 of 83
10/25/11 at 1:06pm
Ever since I got an iPad 2, the need for massive memory and fast internet access on my iPhone has taken a *considerable* back seat to improved battery life.

I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).

Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad ).
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post #75 of 83
10/25/11 at 1:13pm
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Speedtest, on an iPhone 4S moments ago: 0.7Mbps down/0.03Mbps up. 4G speeds my foot. If AT&T can get us consistent 3G speeds (3Mbps down), I'll be perfectly happy.

Improve your bandwidth in NYC, AT&T! Four years of abysmal failure is long enough.

iP4S SF East Bay


ATT 3G

Down 4.71 Mbps; Up 1.26 Mbps

Down 3.97 Mbps; Up 1.11 Mbps

Down 4.44 Mbps; Up 1.06 Mbps


ATT Uverse WiFi 5GHz

Down 7.25 Mbps; Up 1.34 Mbps

Down 4.73 Mbps; Up 1.12 Mbps

Down 5.70 Mbps; Up 1.37 Mbps


Boy it really sucks to be on ATT in NYC... take the rest of the day off and go down to Wall Street...
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post #76 of 83
10/25/11 at 1:43pm
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Ever since I got an iPad 2, the need for massive memory and fast internet access on my iPhone has taken a *considerable* back seat to improved battery life.

I find that I use my iPhone for web access about 10% of the time I used to since I got the iPad. Also, as I now play back movies on my iPad rather than my iPhone, I don't use anywhere near the Flash memory I used to (just ordered a 16 GB iP4S to replace my 32 GB iP3GS; I have 23 GB free on the iP3GS and couldn't justify even the 32 GB model for $100 more).

Make the battery last forever. That's the #1 priority to me.
For everything else, there's the iPad.
Now LTE on an iPad 3 would be a *very* useful addition (fortunately, I've got the "all you can eat" data plan on the iPad ).

I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.

When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.
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post #77 of 83
10/25/11 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'll just not have Internet. Simple.

from a guy who constantly posts on the internet all day long.....nuff said!

Over 5400 posts in a little over a year. Let's see 5400/365 = 15 posts per day on one single website alone. That's some serious Internet usage in most books.
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post #78 of 83
10/25/11 at 2:38pm
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I think Siri will, likely increase your Internet usage... but it will be a lot less than doing individual web searches -- and you will avoid using precious bandwidth for annoying and irritating ads.

When the carrier-agnostic iPhone is released next month, we will, likely, buy an iPhone (SIMLess) for my 13-year-old grandson who has a lazy speech habit. He was all over Siri when I got the 4S. If Siri can get him to slow down and enunciate properly it will surpass all the speech therapy we've tried.

Very nice! That is awesome use of technology!!!!
Can you imagine having Siri integrated in a WiFi TV (55 inch) set? You would never have to leave you sofa!

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post #79 of 83
10/25/11 at 3:17pm
I already own a 4G iPhone according to AT&Fee so I could care less.
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post #80 of 83
10/25/11 at 3:27pm
initial rollout makes more sense for the iPad than iPhone. More battery capacity and more likely to be running apps that can utilize the bandwidth. Maybe some intelligent switching between antennas to optimize use of 4G.
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