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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

This is how the 1% lives.

Legal loopholes.
New Mercedes every 6 months.
Parks in handicapped spaces sideways.

What sort of a person does this shit?

The type of person that CAN. And the type of person that hates "this shit" is the person that CAN'T.
post #82 of 132
It's hardly a "loophole". More like an acknowledgment of the sometimes glacial pace of the California DMV in getting out the plates.
post #83 of 132
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Originally Posted by fecklesstechguy View Post

there's no maybe about it. He was a flawed human being who was arrogant.

How arrogant do you have to be to continuously put down someone in a public forum? What gives you that right? Pot calling the kettle black....
post #84 of 132
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

He is bipolar in this regard. At times increadibly arrogant and at others increadibly humble.
This was his handicap.

I liked your take.
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Originally Posted by ShaolinDave View Post

i hate to speak badly of the recently deceased, but parking sideways in a handicap spot? what a total shitbag.

Being the kind of person who would do such a thing would make him handicap in a way no?
Also, note that it was on Apple's Campus and thus, his property at the time.

If I reserved room in my driveway for ANYONE, I wouldn't feel bad parking in it myself.
post #86 of 132
It goes to show you that if you have enough money, you can do whatever you want. I guess that he'd rather give his money to the leasing company rather than pay the taxes on the car in order to get the tags. I guess he'd rather keep Apple's money in foreign banks rather than pay taxes on it. All those things are legal but parking in handicapped parking when you were a healthy person all those years makes one a DB.
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Having just finished reading the official biography (spoiler alert), the doctors were delighted to have found the cancer so early, much earlier than normal, a usually you wait until you have symptoms before being checked out... But Steve's cancer was picked up on a CT scan for kidney stones, and the biopsy showed that it was in the very early stages and almost certainly hadn't spread... Steve refused to have it removed for 9 months... Preferring new age healing crap, giving the cancer time to spread and become untreatable... His arrogance lead to his early death, had he had the cancer removed earlier then he would have at the very least lived longer than he did.

In my line of work, I get disgusted with the alternative medicine crap. There are bunch of quacks peddling teas, herbs, diets and even chelation therapy for serious diseases like unstable angin, palpitations, cancer, etc. The patients get diverted from getting standard of care with tragic consequences. These quacks are not regulated either and suffer no consequences.

A regular physician has to follow standard of care... or else he/she looses the license and there are even criminal penalties besides the usual civil malpractice ones.

SJ was too much caught up with the crack ideas. I just do not understand how somebody as smart as him, with instant access to info messed around with quack remedies for 9 months. If anybody in my household, including the wife did something like this, I would have them dragged to a psych hospital with a OPC and a PEC. No so easy with SJ.
post #88 of 132
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

He is bipolar in this regard. At times increadibly arrogant and at others increadibly humble.
This was his handicap.

Not a handicap. It was his strength.

Maureen Dowd suggests Jobs was bipolar, but this is her extrapolation from a singular expression of John Scully's that's related in Isaacson's book.

If Jobs seemed depressed to Scully at times, it would have been a reactive depression, not the manifestation of mood swings due to a bipolar personality. If you know the history between those two individuals--Jobs and Scully--you'll understand.
post #89 of 132
Two takeaways from this story:
1. Steve Jobs did not violate California vehicle registration laws
2. Gizmodo stalked Steve Jobs

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post #90 of 132
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Jobs's affinity for the Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG is said to have rubbed off on Scott Forstall, Apple's senior vice president of iOS software. A recent profile of Forstall revealed that he takes after Jobs and drives the same car his former boss did -- though it did not make any mention of missing license plates on Forstall's car.

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post #91 of 132
And those trade-ins are worth a fortune if I was to guess!

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post #92 of 132
Scott should be fired for doing what Steve Jobs would do.
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The type of person that CAN. And the type of person that hates "this shit" is the person that CAN'T.

Then you must love Donald Trump too and Leona Helmsley too.
post #94 of 132
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Funny how everyone on this thread are making excuses for him. Sure maybe he knew no one worked there was handicapped (Not sure how he would know no visitors would not be handicapped) or maybe he was just a pompous jerk.


I can almost guarantee that all of us, me included, has, at different times in our life, exhibited great and worthwhile behavior ... and at other times, have acted as a pompous jerk, or something equally as bad. One has to measure the totality of a person to accurately gauge "his worth" and I think Steve Jobs, while not perfect, had reached a higher level than most of us. I only would wish that all of us would strive to reach that level.
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This seems strange and hypocritical of a man that advocated "green". The AMG SL55 and SL63 are both gas hogs... I could see Jobs driving a Prius, instead.

The Prius is a huge gas hog before it even hits the road. The production of Lithium Ion batteries is an extremely dirty process which leaves a brand new Prius with something like a -200,000 mpg raiting. People should be buying used cars if they want to be green.
post #96 of 132
I'm surprised that, given his money, Steve opted for the SL-55. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic car, but it's a tad... cold, soulless, mechanical. It's like a PC.

In the same price range, why not a hand built Maserati that exudes personality and can go toe-to-toe (naturally aspirated, mind you) with the German ubercar?

Off topic.
post #97 of 132
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

If I may ask, allowed by whom? In a private parking lot, I imagine the company can give you such permission.

In a public parking place in most cities, you need a permit to park in spots reserved for the disabled. I think that's the issue - Jobs had no such permit - or perhaps no permit of any kind for his car

And we're talking about private parking lots here, too.
post #98 of 132
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The type of person that CAN. And the type of person that hates "this shit" is the person that CAN'T.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Wassup with the damn hate? Who really gives a fukk if a Billionaire CEO leases a new car every 6 months so he can avoid using tags or parks in a handicap space every once in a while. Rules exist at all levels of life, and people abuse those rules at all levels of life. I parked my car at a meter today without pay.. you think anybody gives a fukk. I dont have a city sticker displayed on my car.. you think anybody gives a fukk? The only reason this a story, is because its about SJ.

Steve Jobs wasnt the first, and damn sure wont be the last person to park in a damn handicapp space or not display a license plate tag on his car. And even if he was, atleast Steve Jobs introduced the world to many of the technologies BILLIONS of people enjoy, depend on and communicate with to accomplish an incredible amount of tasks.

What do the haters in this thread provide.. other than more moaning and bytching by a bunch internet trolls. Instead of spending your days on forums looking for shyt to complain about.. stop wasting your life and invent/innovate something that will help make the world a better place. But that will never happen, because that actually involves doing something with your life besides being a hater. Something haters cant accomplish.

Do I even need to mention the guy died of cancer? Maybe he parked in handicapped spaces because walking from a regular parking space was a bytch. Why dont you haters go get cancer, and see where you feel like parking after that.

And if I was CEO of the worlds most successful company, maybe I wouldnt want a license plate on my car either. Its bad enough with sites like TMZ stalking celebrities every second of the day, now we have techblogs like Gizmodo doing the same shyt. Whats wrong with you using some of your Billions of dollars.. to buy you a little fukking privacy.
post #99 of 132
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

Scott should be fired for doing what Steve Jobs would do.

LOL. If Steve was a true megalomaniac, he would impose a rule that no one may drive the same kind of car as him. But of course, he didn't. What isn't reported is that Steve has had a life long affinity for the Benz SL coupes, going all the way back to the 80s.

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post #100 of 132
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What isn't reported is that Steve has had a life long affinity for the Benz SL coupes, going all the way back to the 80s.

Many of the affluent, wealthy people do. Thats exactly the type of audience the SL was designed for. You can go all the way back to the 1960's and look at the 300SL Gullwing Benz's that are now worth millions. That have always been lavish/status coupes and always will be.

Driving an SL.. is way to say "I've arrived". The car is also pretty damn cool too. Remember it was the first with the hardtop roof that folded into the trunk. Now everybody is copying that.
post #101 of 132
A lot of jealous haters in this thread.

It's pathetic to hate on somebody just because they have more money than you do. Why don't the haters go and join those jealous idiots protesting and sleeping out in parks like dirty bums?

If somebody wants to lease a new car every six months, then that's their choice.

And parking in handicapped spaces? So what? I would do the same thing too if I happened to own a huge company with a big parking lot. I would do whatever I pleased, since it was all mine. As far as I'm concerned, Steve Jobs could park wherever he wanted to at Apple HQ, included in handicapped spaces.

I also don't believe in special handicapped spaces, as I find them to be anti-American. I treat all people the same, including handicapped people.
post #102 of 132
Last May, I went on a trip to California for the first time of my life and of course, as an Apple fan for 15 years, I had to go and see the 1 Infinite Loop with my eyes. I circled the campus looking for a good spot to stop and take a picture and when I came back to the main entrance I decided to just go for the "1" logo, even if there's no mention of Apple at all.

Just as I was looking for my camera, Steve came out of the main doors, said goodbye to some other people he had been walking with and walked to the car that was parked in front of me. It was a black Mercedes. He slowly walked to the backseat door, looking as calm and thin as we have seen him and his chauffeur took him wherever he was going while I was too stunned to do anything else than say "Hey, shit, it's Steve Jobs!"

I can't help but wonder if he'd have autographed my iPad... (but probably not my jailbroken iPhone!)

And the car did have a license plate.
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I also don't believe in special handicapped spaces, as I find them to be anti-American. I treat all people the same, including handicapped people.

ORLY? You treat all people the same, but if they have more money than you, then you don't?
post #104 of 132
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

I was just thinking about this the other day. If I had bought AAPL stock instead of my first iPod, I would be $28,000 richer today.

I was thinking about this too. If I had just bought AAPL stock instead of the first Mac in summer or fall of 1984... wheeew, boy.

The Mac was about $3400 I think. I think Apple's IPO took place in early '84 at about 3 bucks. By summer it was at 1.81 or so, and apparently remained around there for a year. For about 3620 bucks you could get 2000 shares.

The shares split 3 times, so those 2000 shares would now be 16000 shares. At 400 bucks I would now be some 6.5 million richer today.
post #105 of 132
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Many of the affluent, wealthy people do. Thats exactly the type of audience the SL was designed for. You can go all the way back to the 1960's and look at the 300SL Gullwing Benz's that are now worth millions. That have always been lavish/status coupes and always will be.

Driving an SL.. is way to say "I've arrived". The car is also pretty damn cool too. Remember it was the first with the hardtop roof that folded into the trunk. Now everybody is copying that.

I actually saw a McLaren / Benz SLS with the gull wing doors. Some gray haired guy and his woman (in tight jeans) pulled up to the Apple Store. Now that's a car that says, "I've arrived, and I don't have to explain myself."

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post #106 of 132
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Originally Posted by alasdair View Post

The Prius is a huge gas hog before it even hits the road. The production of Lithium Ion batteries is an extremely dirty process which leaves a brand new Prius with something like a -200,000 mpg raiting. People should be buying used cars if they want to be green.

You are incorrect. On every level.
post #107 of 132
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

This is how the 1% lives.

Legal loopholes.
New Mercedes every 6 months.
Parks in handicapped spaces sideways.

What sort of a person does this shit?

Well, he actually lives pretty modest. His home is valued at about $3 million (and interior is supposedly pretty modest and minimal). Granted he has multiple properties, but he chose to live pretty modest for a CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world.
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Originally Posted by tcphoto View Post

It goes to show you that if you have enough money, you can do whatever you want. I guess that he'd rather give his money to the leasing company rather than pay the taxes on the car in order to get the tags. I guess he'd rather keep Apple's money in foreign banks rather than pay taxes on it. All those things are legal but parking in handicapped parking when you were a healthy person all those years makes one a DB.

I've been to the Apple campus, Jobs would park in the disabled spot ( or closer in the loading bays) when he came in late for a short time - like an hour. Not normally. Those spots were always empty - Apple did not have many disabled workers I assume. ( Many people with those stickers are on disability after all).

If Jobs had a parking space for himself, this would be moot. Also that would be common in most companies, and not just for CEOs. I think Michael Scott ( The Office) has his own parking. Yes i know it is fictional - but half assed managers in regional bland offices in outlying industrial estates often do have their own parking. It is less common in Silicon Valley, so they improvise.

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Well, he actually lives pretty modest. His home is valued at about $3 million (and interior is supposedly pretty modest and minimal). Granted he has multiple properties, but he chose to live pretty modest for a CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world.

And its valued at $3M because of where it is. Put it in rural texas and it is worth $100K. Its a modest house. The gilded Age of Gatsby this isn't. Nor is it the Bell Epoque. He didn't like like the Sun King.

( Part of me wishes the modern rich did build great architecture, something to visit when they are gone).
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What sort of person?

1) Mostly everyone, not just the 1% If you ask me, those on welfare and unemployment exploit loopholes and the system more than anyone.
2) Those who can afford it.....and even those who can't
3) That happens all the time* (maybe not the sideways part)

*I witnessed a guy park in a handicap spot last week and he RAN briskly around a car driving through the parking lot on his way into the store. He was in the store for at least a half hour.

Ummm... I don't think mostly everyone... pretty much reserved for d-bags and a-holes... Jobs did a lot of great things, but he was both.

Of course fanboys will forgive anything Apple... I'm sure if he had eaten newborns for breakfast the f-boys would justify how it's okay for him to do.

Pathetic lot.
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Ummm... I don't think mostly everyone... pretty much reserved for d-bags and a-holes... Jobs did a lot of great things, but he was both.

Of course fanboys will forgive anything Apple... I'm sure if he had eaten newborns for breakfast the f-boys would justify how it's okay for him to do.

Pathetic lot.

I bet, though, the head of HTC has his own parking. How'dye like dem Apples?
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It is unlikely he would have survived had he had surgery in 2003. The misfortune of having pancreatic cancer killed him, not his "arrogance."

??!?!?!!

have you read the book and or looked into this?


by the time he had the surgery the tumor had spread, that's the real problem! (i though, i could be wrong )

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post #112 of 132
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Are you sure? We assume he did not but he may have been so arrogant that he parked in the handicapped spot while his reserved spot remained open.

Just great, another idiot making up possible scenarios with absolutely no evidence just to make themselves feel relevant when they aren't.
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post #113 of 132
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This literally made me LOL. I'm through the first three chapters of the bio and this move fits him perfectly!

Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning

The bio is great. Worth every penny. It's a brilliant loophole, diabolical as it may seem (the car arrangement, not the bio).

In any case, Mercedes SL AMG? In the bio (not a spoiler) Mercedes is mentioned quite a bit, I can see why Steve likes it. Mercedes sedans are not fantastic, but the SLx/AMG etc. coupes and that kind of stuff (I'm no car expert) is sweet.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

I'm surprised that, given his money, Steve opted for the SL-55. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic car, but it's a tad... cold, soulless, mechanical. It's like a PC.

In the same price range, why not a hand built Maserati that exudes personality and can go toe-to-toe (naturally aspirated, mind you) with the German ubercar?

Off topic.

As mentioned in the Bio, these kind of distinctions were quite stark for Steve. Something was either "shit" or "the most awesome thing" (I paraphrase here, of course).

If he fixated on Mercedes then that was his thing, unless Maserati of Lamborghini came out with something "insanely great" or "insanely different".

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Ummm... I don't think mostly everyone... pretty much reserved for d-bags and a-holes... Jobs did a lot of great things, but he was both.

Of course fanboys will forgive anything Apple... I'm sure if he had eaten newborns for breakfast the f-boys would justify how it's okay for him to do.

Pathetic lot.

Jobs was generally considered an asshole in his interactions with people. This is clear and he allowed this to be documented in the biography as well.

But he was never physically violent AFAIK, nor did he go out of his way to cause harm outside of emotional or business-related nastiness.

What else he was able to achieve while being an asshole, does that balance out his dark side? At the end of the day, that's up to the individual to decide... "fanboy" or not.
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I'm surprised that, given his money, Steve opted for the SL-55. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic car, but it's a tad... cold, soulless, mechanical. It's like a PC.

In the same price range, why not a hand built Maserati that exudes personality and can go toe-to-toe (naturally aspirated, mind you) with the German ubercar?

Off topic.

Even Car magazine (UK), which normally prefers British cars, admits the SL55 is a brilliantly engineered car.

The Maserati/Bentley/Aston Martin style car is more special because it's hand-built, but generally those cars suffer from relatively low development budgets and so they have mediocre engineering. So if you are looking for the best of engineering, as opposed to hand craftsmanship, the SL55 is an excellent choice.

Fans of hand-built cars can be assuaged somewhat by knowing that Jony Ive drove an Aston Martin and currently drives a Bentley Arnage.

Certainly the most startling thing about Apple executives is how modest they live relative to their net worths. Jony Ive parks his $340,000 car in front of a shockingly modest house. Yes, I know, it's worth over $1 million, but where he lives that's a solid upper middle class home and no more.

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post #116 of 132
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

This is how the 1% lives.

Legal loopholes.
New Mercedes every 6 months.
Parks in handicapped spaces sideways.

What sort of a person does this shit?


Are you jealous?

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I came to the US with very little money, no English, and today I don't know if I am part of the 1%, but I drive a mercedes GL 550, earn a very healthy income, is that bad?

It seems to me that those who are crying in this forum against the 1% are a bunch of people who love to play victim and they do not want to be and do the things that are necessary to succeed..

Keep crying like if you feel victimized, the more you do it the less you will have..take responsibility for who you are, your results are the direct result of what you think and what you do, to change things, YOU have to change...

Steve did not even even finish college, he was adopted, but his legacy is amazing, he was not a victim, he took control of his destiny.

Do you want great results? STOP complaining and do something to improve your life, do you want to improve the world? start with yourself..

George
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I came to the US with very little money, no English, and today I don't know if I am part of the 1%, but I drive a mercedes GL 550, earn a very healthy income, is that bad?

It seems to me that those who are crying in this forum against the 1% are a bunch of people who love to play victim and they do not want to be and do the things that are necessary to succeed..

Keep crying like if you feel victimized, the more you do it the less you will have..take responsibility for who you are, your results are the direct result of what you think and what you do, to change things, YOU have to change...

Steve did not even even finish college, he was adopted, but his legacy is amazing, he was not a victim, he took control of his destiny.

Do you want great results? STOP complaining and do something to improve your life, do you want to improve the world? start with yourself..

George

I think you're overthinking it. Most of comments are about an asshole who parks in a disabled spot, not an asshole who drives a Mercedes.
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Funny how everyone on this thread are making excuses for him. Sure maybe he knew no one worked there was handicapped (Not sure how he would know no visitors would not be handicapped) or maybe he was just a pompous jerk.

The Handicap laws in California are ridiculous!! I used to teach at a dance studio with extremely limited parking, yet several slots had to be dedicated to Handicapped parking. Seriously, at a Dance Studio??? They were always empty, yet I had to be there super early to find parking blocks away so I could teach.... DANCE! And yet they are required to have Handicapped Parking, at a dance studio, not one, not two, but three of ten spaces???!!! (yeah, I know as a teacher I shouldn't park there, the spaces are for students, but sometimes I was a little late, and those empty spaces were never used, what a waste)

Go Steve!!!
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Wow Isaacson really messed up with that one seeing as he even declared it on 60 Minutes.
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