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Apple has launched iPhone 4S in 22 additional countries, as it announced it would by the end of October, making the launch the company's fastest international rollout of an iPhone with the 4S model now available in 29 nations.

Apple initially launched iPhone 4S in the US, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan the UK, and has now added Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.

The iPhone 4S is already off to a record-breaking start in its first seven countries, where sales topped four million in its first three days of availability. That handily outpaced the 1.7 million units of the iPhone 4 Apple sold in June of 2010.

Along with its carrier partners, Apple began taking online preorders for the new phone one week early in many of the additional 22 countries last week, citing estimated shipping times of one to two weeks.



In most countries, online orders are still providing a one to two week shipping estimate (as appears above, for online orders in Switzerland). Apple is only selling unlocked phones online, with carriers handling purchases tied to contracts.

Both Apple and its SingTel carrier partner have already sold out of the new model in Singapore however, with Apple listing all three capacity models in either color as being "currently unavailable," with no estimate on availability.



A report by AsiaOne notes that SinTel was overwhelmed with demand for the new phone, with preorders exhausted within 90 minutes of the carrier opening up orders.
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It's too bad they won't get the benefit of Siri.
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Apple has launched iPhone 4S in 22 additional countries, as it announced it would by the end of October, making the launch the company's fastest international rollout of an iPhone with the 4S model now available in 29 nations.


Will that be enough to slow the Android onslaught? Will it be enough to reverse Apple's sharply declining market share?

Apple's best bet may be to roll out free phones to these countries too.
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Will that be enough to slow the Android onslaught? Will it be enough to reverse Apple's sharply declining market share?

*Beethoven's 5th*

Ap-ple is DOOOOOOOMED!
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It's too bad they won't get the benefit of Siri.

Yes, that seriously reduces the 'must have' factor. Siri works in English, German and French. In 2012 it will work in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Italian, and Spanish. That'll suck big time for the rest of the world.
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Will that be enough to slow the Android onslaught? Will it be enough to reverse Apple's sharply declining market share?

Do they have to?

OMG Apple is #2 behind Android in market share. And?

I don't see Apple going out of business because their name is listed below Google on some chart.
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*Beethoven's 5th*

Ap-ple is DOOOOOOOMED!
Ap-ple is DOOOOOOOMED!


I highly doubt that they are doomed.

They are expanding the iPhone brand into the low-end market, and likely will do very well with that. They decided not to upgrade the iPhone screen or data speeds, ceding the high end to other manufacturers.

It seems to me that they are focusing squarely on the midmarket, with forays into the low end. Likely they will make lots of profits doing that.
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Do they have to?

OMG Apple is #2 behind Android in market share. And?


I thought that Apple was number six, behind some Chinese company that I never heard of.
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So, Apple is selling all the iPhones it can make, eh?

Outstanding.

$480/share by Feb 1st?
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Will that be enough to slow the Android onslaught? Will it be enough to reverse Apple's sharply declining market share?

There is no sharply declining market share. Yes, market share DECLINED one quarter due to everyone waiting for the new model, but it is not a trend towards lower sales numbers. Apple's market share has remained steady for a while now.

Will it be enough to slow Android? No, but who really cares!? Android phones are broken up into so many different variations, being an "Android" phone/device doesn't mean anything anymore. It's not too far off than what it means to be called Linux or Unix based at this point. It's just become a broad category for a mishmash of disparate mobile devices - mainly phones.
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I wonder why isn't portuguese on the 2012 list for Siri since it's the 6th most spoken language in the world.
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Yes, that seriously reduces the 'must have' factor. Siri works in English, German and French. In 2012 it will work in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Italian, and Spanish. That'll suck big time for the rest of the world.

And this is because the rest of the world does not know how to speak English, yeah right.

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It's too bad they won't get the benefit of Siri.

Yelp integration, yes this could be an issue, but witht the rest of what Siri can do like setup appointments, dication and voice controls. It will pretty much do.
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It's too bad they won't get the benefit of Siri.

That's probably just as well. Judging by some videos which I saw, very few people on this planet can speak proper English or American English and Siri doesn't understand people who speak with weird and ridiculous accents and other foreign people who suffer from various speech impediments.

I also thought that it was weird that some UK videos I saw had Siri speaking with a male voice. Is Siri female in the US, but male in the UK? That seems strange.
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Is Siri female in the US, but male in the UK?

Yes.

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That seems strange.

If it's the male voice of which I'm thinking, it makes perfect sense. No reason to build a brand new female voice when you have a male one sitting around.

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Yes.

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

I guess that I'm glad that I'm in the US, because I would never hire a male to be my personal assistant.
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I guess that I'm glad that I'm in the US, because I would never hire a male to be my personal assistant.

Why would you? Once sex enters the equation you're screwed, right?
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And this is because the rest of the world does not know how to speak English, yeah right.

Yelp integration, yes this could be an issue, but witht the rest of what Siri can do like setup appointments, dication and voice controls. It will pretty much do.

You seem to struggle. Not sure where you are, though.
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Why would you? Once sex enters the equation you're screwed, right?

That's the point.

If I were to hire a personal assistant, I would of course judge based on skills, and try to get somebody good, but looks are also very important and if I didn't like the way that a certain female looked, then they wouldn't get the job.
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I highly doubt that they are doomed.

They are expanding the iPhone brand into the low-end market, and likely will do very well with that. They decided not to upgrade the iPhone screen or data speeds, ceding the high end to other manufacturers..

The iPhone already does way more stuff than 99% of the users need. It's a phone. I don't see how it can get any more high end. People who spend hours a day interacting with a tiny little screen need to get a life. If the screen was any bigger you are getting into tablet functionality at the compromise of having a really bulky phone. It does everything you could possibly use.

The one thing that Android has that would occasionally be useful is turn by turn navigation, but again on a phone it is probably too dangerous to use while driving since the screen is so small.

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Guess Apple Signapore/Aussie dont see fit with releasing the 4s into NZ as fast as they did last time. Maybe to prevent the comical issues they had between them and vodafone NZ that they had last year.
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I wonder why isn't portuguese on the 2012 list for Siri since it's the 6th most spoken language in the world.

But is it the 6th most spoken language of probable iPhone users? Maybe, maybe not.

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Still not available in the US on T-mobile. Who needs to blink first?

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That's the point.

If I were to hire a personal assistant, I would of course judge based on skills, and try to get somebody good, but looks are also very important and if I didn't like the way that a certain female looked, then they wouldn't get the job.

Hmmm... I think you misunderstood me. Not that it matters. I was just playing.
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The iPhone already does way more stuff than 99% of the users need. It's a phone. I don't see how it can get any more high end.

Faster CPU.
Bigger screen.
4G data speeds.
More RAM.
Bigger SSDs.

I doubt that the iPhone is at the end of the line. There's lots more that Apple will do to it in the future.
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I wonder why isn't portuguese on the 2012 list for Siri since it's the 6th most spoken language in the world.

Maybe Apple got its panties all in a bunch when Brazil would not accept being steamrollered? IIRC, Brazil refused to allow Apple's supplier build new factories on any terms they wished.

Stranger things have happened.
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Faster CPU.
Bigger screen.
4G data speeds.
More RAM.
Bigger SSDs.

I doubt that the iPhone is at the end of the line. There's lots more that Apple will do to it in the future.

The future is the future however your initial argument was that they ceded the high end - past tense. Apple is conservative, they always measure their upgrades to match the sweet spot of the market, so if that is ceding the high end, so be it but I don't think that is really the case.

Bigger screen.
(No thanks too bulky. I have an iPad)

4G data speeds.
(Not wide spread, uses too much battery just having it turned on, constantly search for network)

More RAM.
(Seems to work ok for now especially on 4s)

Bigger SSDs.
(Sure but the lower storage options are going to remain very popular as well)

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Faster CPU.

For Internet-free Siri processing? I'm game.

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Bigger screen.

Zero need.

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4G data speeds.

A given.

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More RAM.
Bigger SSDs.

Hope so.

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very few people on this planet can speak proper English or American English and Siri doesn't understand people who speak with weird and ridiculous accents and other foreign people who suffer from various speech impediments.

If what you say is true, then "very few people on this planet" will find Apple's newest and greatest technology to be anything other than a brief amusement.

Maybe that is one reason why Apple's sales are suffering even as Android surges further and further ahead?
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If what you say is true, then ... Maybe that is one reason why Apple's sales are suffering even as Android surges further and further ahead?

Apple is selling every phone they can manufacture. How is that suffering? They sell more every quarter than the previous quarter. I don't know where you get the suffering part. Aren't they making more money than any company on earth?

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The future is the future however your initial argument was that they ceded the high end - past tense. Apple is conservative, they always measure their upgrades to match the sweet spot of the market, so if that is ceding the high end, so be it but I don't think that is really the case.

Bigger screen.
(No thanks too bulky. I have an iPad)

4G data speeds.
(Not wide spread, uses too much battery just having it turned on, constantly search for network)

More RAM.
(Seems to work ok for now especially on 4s)

Bigger SSDs.
(Sure but the lower storage options are going to remain very popular as well)


The comment I responded to was " I don't see how it can get any more high end." The list provided was ways the iPhone might get "more high end".

Your comments seem to be a tacit agreement that the iPhone is mid-line, hardware wise. That may be, and your comment that " Apple is conservative, they always measure their upgrades to match the sweet spot of the market," is something I agree with.

Seemingly, we are saying the same thing but approaching it from different angles. Apple could indeed make the iPhone more high end, but "the sweet spot of the market" is where Apple is directing its efforts.

And the low end of the smartphone market, of course.
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The comment I responded to was " I don't see how it can get any more high end." The list provided was ways the iPhone might get "more high end".

Your comments seem to be a tacit agreement that the iPhone is mid-line, hardware wise. That may be, and your comment that " Apple is conservative, they always measure their upgrades to match the sweet spot of the market," is something I agree with.

Seemingly, we are saying the same thing but approaching it from different angles. Apple could indeed make the iPhone more high end, but "the sweet spot of the market" is where Apple is directing its efforts.

And the low end of the smartphone market, of course.

I think it is the same for computers. At a certain point computers are becoming faster and have more capabilities than almost anyone needs. I'm already at that point with iPhone. Some people always want more even when there is no point.

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Apple is selling every phone they can manufacture. How is that suffering? They sell more every quarter than the previous quarter. I don't know where you get the suffering part. Aren't they making more money than any company on earth?

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Samsung surges past Apple in smartphones

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Hope Apple can supply phones; my daughter has been waiting for a 4S from AT+T for more than two weeks, still no shipping notice - very frustrating !
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Faster CPU.

Faster CPU simply for the sake of faster CPU? Battery life?

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Bigger screen.

Bigger screen for the sake of bigger screen?

What is a big enough screen? 4.2" 4.6" 5.2"

The iPad wins that game.

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4G data speeds.

4S just sold 4 million phones in two days without 4G. How are 4G sales?

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More RAM.

"Karagounis points out that "minimizing memory usage on low-power platforms can prolong battery life," noting that "In any PC, RAM is constantly consuming power. If an OS uses a lot of memory, it can force device manufacturers to include more physical RAM. The more RAM you have on board, the more power it uses, the less battery life you get."

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Bigger SSDs.

What other phone is shipping with 64GB?
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Those are supposed shipped numbers not actual sales.


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Hot off the presses:

Samsung surges past Apple in smartphones

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79R0B620111028
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I think it is the same for computers. At a certain point computers are becoming faster and have more capabilities than almost anyone needs. I'm already at that point with iPhone. Some people always want more even when there is no point.

Ah. I see your point. I don't agree, but I see what you are saying.

It is interesting that computers are indeed, in general, "good enough". I cut my teeth on them when huge hardware leaps were being made quickly, unlocking whole new capabilities like "multi-media". (As an aside, I am typing this while listening to a bootleg recording (.flac, natch)of Janis Joplin from 1969, which I downloaded off the internet - I remember when anything more than weird beeping was an impressive capability for a computer, and when this one little album would have more than filled up my entire hard drive).

But anyways, yes, raw power is no longer a choke point, and now many things other than raw computing power are valuable, like great screens and portability.

But I don't agree with you WRT the cellphone market. I think that things have a ways to go before we top out on power and performance in the manner we've seen in the PC market.

Battery tech is holding things back, IMO, as is the total obsession with thin phones. You say they are powerful enough - I say they are thin enough. Enough is enough. Make 'em a little bit thicker and increase the battery life, please.

I'd really like a powerful pocket computer. Throwing a phone in there with it is fine. I don't think we are anywhere close yet.
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Battery tech is holding things back, IMO, as is the total obsession with thin phones. You say they are powerful enough - I say they are thin enough. Enough is enough. Make 'em a little bit thicker and increase the battery life, please.

I suppose for the younger generation more battery is important since they seem to be out and about much more than I am. My iPhone always has at least half a charge when I plug it in at night. I spend more time on my computers and iPad. The phone is a phone mostly, although I do get some stock quotes, news headlines, currency and metric conversions etc. I'm am never interacting with it for more than a minute or two at a time. I listen to music and talk briefly on Skype, a couple texts, take a picture or two but by and large it is a communications device not an all purpose computer. So it is good enough for me as is.

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Apple is clearly ignorant of the fact that there are a huge number of people in Hong Kong who don't read Chinese, and nearly all of the population can read English to some extent.

Case in point is the Apple Store here. Nearly all signage is in Chinese, and there is almost no English! But at quick glance one can see that there are a huge number of non-Chinese in the store.

Why release the 4s in Singapore and not in Hong Kong? I'd say the Hong Kong market is actually larger in terms of English speakers.

It seems Apple is delaying release here until Siri in Chinese is available, which is moronic.

I do believe I'm giving up and getting an iPhone 4 today. Of course, I can get it for zero prepay, and zero handset price with a 24 month contract, which is very nice indeed. All I'll really be missing is Infinity Blade 2.

And then when the iPhone 4s comes out I can give the iPhone 4 to my wife. Her contract is over as well, so we both qualify for subsidized units.

We also need the AppleTV 2 here. I'm damn happy I got one elsewhere.
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Still not available in the US on T-mobile. Who needs to blink first?

Is that a rhetorical question?
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For Internet-free Siri processing? I'm game.



Zero need.



A given.



Hope so.

I'll never understand why some of you so regularly, so patiently, so thoughtfully feed the Samsung trolls who populate this board.

Very Pavlovian.....
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