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What is it with these trolls and insulting moderators recently? You'd think they'd be able to tell that's not a good idea.

Though he is partially right; I don't know of any Windows Phone 7 tablets

Though now I see that melgross wasn't even attempting to insinuate that at all.

This is what Metro is, WP8, not WP7. There have been some good technical articles about this on Ars Technica, and Anandtech, among others
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Mel, does dan show up here at all?

If you mean, on these other sites, then no. Articles on the business sites documenting this are all over the place.
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And the icing on the cake.

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Thank gawd we never l elected Whitman for governor.

Yeah... you guys in California do a bang up job picking your governors. Well done...
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This is what Metro is, WP8, not WP7. There have been some good technical articles about this on Ars Technica, and Anandtech, among others

Windows 8 has nothing to do with wp7 or wp8 when that comes out. they are completely separate.
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The rumor is that Nikon is interested in buying WebOS. I have no idea why they would want it. They have no interest in phones or tablets. They don't make printers. There's no point in putting this into cameras, those are very specialized real time OS's. But, that's the latest word.

Really strange rumour, does defy logic
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If you mean, on these other sites, then no. Articles on the business sites documenting this are all over the place.

No I mean in the forums.
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Think I can see steam coming out of your ears. Do you throw a tantrum when you don't get your way? I wanna, I wanna, I Wanna Waahhhh....

Tallest Skill I can picture you now sitting smoking your pipe wearing you tweed jacket and little boy shorts....
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Just two months later, Kerris had abandoned HP, joining the ranks of other high profile webOS team members who had left HP for its competitors, including its user interface director Matias Duarte, who joined Google to work on Android just after the HP acquisition, and the creator of webOS's notification system Rich Dellinger, who joined Apple last summer to work on the Notification Center in iOS 5.

A tradition as old as Steve Wozniak leaving HP to start Apple.

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The departure of webOS employees from HP is accelerating, reportedly in large part due to the "sheer incompetence and bureaucratic malice" of HP's management, which has made little to no effort to retain webOS talent, according to a person familiar with the webOS team's situation, who added, "HP is going to have hundreds of smart and influential people scattered throughout the Valley who will be devoted to hating HP."

The incompetence of HP's management is apparent with the current turmoil over the PSG division, and the speed with which they abandoned webOS.

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I have no played with it but have heard it is a good OS. If HP don't want it they should sell it to someone who does, so the work isn't wasted, instead of just leaving it to rot.
post #51 of 75
Apple already made the bid when WebOS was still worth something. You know when all the management and engineers responsible for the product where on board and Palm was shipping product.

The sad thing is rumor was Apple was going to keep Palm Pre alive. It probably would have been away to battle Android when Apple was still stuck on just AT&T. Apple would have also acquired a lot of talented engineers out of the deal.

It isn't worth nearly as much now that the engineers aren't part of the deal.

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WebOS is loaded up with lots of good patented stuff. I'd imagine Apple could buy WebOS and the related patents for in the neighborhood of $1 Billion.

That's a few days worth of profit... and adds significantly to their arsenal to go after Google with.
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"Along with the nebulous decision by Apotheker to rid HP of its PC business, the former chief executive also abruptly killed HP's mobile hardware business and moved the webOS software group from Bradley's PSG into HP's Office of Strategy and Technology."

HP has an Office of Strategy ?!?!?

So what was the strategy behind giving a new product (TouchPad) just a few weeks on the market? Then pissing off all your talented staff?

A wasted opportunity of Yahoo-esque proportions.

Mind blowing.
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WebOS is loaded up with lots of good patented stuff. I'd imagine Apple could buy WebOS and the related patents for in the neighborhood of $1 Billion.

That's a few days worth of profit... and adds significantly to their arsenal to go after Google with.

If it were really any good in terms of patents, Google would have bought it. They paid $12 B for Motorola Mobility with reports saying that patents were a large portion of that (although retained tax losses reduced the net price to something like $8 B, IIRC).

Google is in a bind wrt patents and would undoubtedly have bought it if they thought it was worth anything.

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You have to be joking. The marketplace has already told. Microsucks that no one wants their tablets. That's why they have been a huge failure even after being on the market for years. There is nothing to suggest that W8 versions will fare any better.

The marketplace has decided that conventional Windows tablets (full blown OS, x86, etc) aren't what everyone wants. I think Microsoft has learned their lesson and understands that there's a place for a media consumption device that doesn't run a full x86 Windows. If they do that, there's every chance that a Windows tablet might be successful.
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post #54 of 75
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I actually like metro, I think it works well. It's different, its more basic, but for many people I think it will be good enough. There are millions of people who buy android not because it is good, but because it is available and affordable. Shove a Windows Phone in front of those same people and they would buy it instead of android. Plus WP is better executed than android (less of a resource hog, more design, better execution aside from nexus line).

Metro works well on xbox as well, though feels very out of place on Windows 8 (or is it the desktop environment that is out of place?)

Honestly I think MS has a chance if they execute well and actually ship some awesome hardware some time soon before android gains momentum in tablet space.

Yeah, that'll happen when it's 72 degrees, clear sky and mild breezes in hades.
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Regardez-moi que je peux trouver quelqu'un interdits parce qu'ils ne sont pas d'accord avec moi.

No, you're just about the saddest person I've ever had the misfortune to know. It's really depressing how you carry on.

It's not about disagreeing, it's about your old account being nothing but Apple-bashing. You want to Apple-bash, go to a Microsoft or Google forum and masturbate your ego with the people there.

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Yeah, choosing a body builder in an expensive irregular election to fix a budget problem that only got worse was not the best choice.

But please keep in mind that CA is not only the world's eighth-largest economy, but also pays far more into the federal coffers than it takes, in stark contrast to a majority of red states.

So for all its imperfections, California makes red states possible. Until those red states get their acts together to be able to pay their own way through life they are beholden to California.

If this numeric fact is embarrassing for red staters, I encourage them to do us both a favor and force CA in secession. As an independent nation, unencumbered with having to pay for the red states, it would certainly be no worse off than it is.

Amen. I'm a bit of a supporter of letting the south secede from the union. My only fear is them starting a war against the rest of the US because they seem to have all the military bases nowadays.
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Yeah, choosing a body builder in an expensive irregular election to fix a budget problem that only got worse was not the best choice.

But please keep in mind that CA is not only the world's eighth-largest economy, but also pays far more into the federal coffers than it takes, in stark contrast to a majority of red states.

So for all its imperfections, California makes red states possible. Until those red states get their acts together to be able to pay their own way through life they are beholden to California.

If this numeric fact is embarrassing for red staters, I encourage them to do us both a favor and force CA in secession. As an independent nation, unencumbered with having to pay for the red states, it would certainly be no worse off than it is.

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I have tried HP tablet with this webOS and I am really surprised about the quality of it. It can be compared to Android version that is installed in Amazon Kindle Fire, the same lack of functionality but with better design.

I think that HP should look for way how they can save this division as tablet market is emerging and within few years they could probably exceed the market share of PC's as most of the PC users don't need most of the functions offered by PC and they can stick to tablet.

This is short term thinking I guess
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Todd Bradley, HP PSG executive vice president:

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...At the beginning of the year, Bradley [...] mused that by loading webOS on its PCs, "You easily exceed 100 million devices with WebOS deployed annually. That's the start of something pretty big."

That statement should strike fear into the hearts of any and all HP shareholders. Pad computing is the next generation of personal computing, and will likely drive growth for the next decade or two. And Bradley thinks that dumping webOS on traditional PCs, the previous generation of personal computing, will start "something pretty big." As if using webOS like a Trojan horse would change the world.

So no, it's not just HP's board that needs to be replaced. Senior management needs to be un-installed as well.

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I'm waiting for HP to hit rock bottom before they do anything awesome.
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of place?)
Honestly I think MS has a chance if they execute well and actually ship some awesome hardware some time soon before android gains momentum in tablet space.

  • Execute well
  • Excellent hardware
  • Be timely

Those are not microsoft's core strengths. You did just describe Apple though

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Yay! Godwin's Law! I win!



Yay! Ad-hom attacks! I win!



Yay! A personal vocabulary below that of my own in fifth grade!



Keeps getting better!



And the icing on the cake.

BRAVO! You've gone out on a high note!

NOW GET OUT.


Every time I'm on here you're either insulting someone or trying to start an argument. What about actually posting something sensible? Try and leave out the myopic statements and vitriol.
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Every time I'm on here you're either insulting someone or trying to start an argument.

Simple solution: Don't be on here.

I kid, of course. I don't insult people and I don't start arguments. I correct people a lot, that's for sure. If that's somehow an 'argument', I'd love to know why.

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What about actually posting something sensible?

What about actually reading my posts?

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Try and leave out the myopic statements and vitriol.

There's only one side to the troll argument. And we can be just about as nasty as we want to the real ones. The only users that deserve to be made fun of more than the trolls are the spambots.

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Amen!

This forum is reserved for Google bashing!
And Microsoft bashing!
And Adobe bashing!
And Samsung bashing!
And HTC bashing!
And Nokia bashing!
And HP bashing!
And Taiwan bashing!
And Korea bashing!
And....

Is it OK to bash IBM here?

I know that it is old news for The Rest of US to bash IBM, but the question really arises due to their sale of the PC business to Lenovo. Did that make the remaining parts of IBM off limits, or can I still bash IBM here for being Big Brother?
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  • Execute well
  • Excellent hardware
  • Be timely

Those are not microsoft's core strengths. You did just describe Apple though

Cheers !

I wonder if that is still true.

The iPhone was delayed many months for unknown reasons, but a failure to execute was a popular hypothesis. It is too early to tell, but the delay may well have cost Apple some profits.

The hardware is good - I'd call the MBA truly excellent. But disappointment with the i4S hardware was widespread. Maybe it is still excellent, but it is debatable now whether the hardware is superior to that of some competitors. There are lots of wacky hardware problems too - yellow tinted screens, etc. Dunno if that falls under hardware or execution or both.

Apple does the stuff you listed very, very well. But I wonder if they are slipping WRT each item compared to the Apple of old. Time will tell.
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Yeah, successful like the zune!

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If it were really any good in terms of patents, Google would have bought it. They paid $12 B for Motorola Mobility with reports saying that patents were a large portion of that (although retained tax losses reduced the net price to something like $8 B, IIRC).

Google is in a bind wrt patents and would undoubtedly have bought it if they thought it was worth anything.



The marketplace has decided that conventional Windows tablets (full blown OS, x86, etc) aren't what everyone wants. I think Microsoft has learned their lesson and understands that there's a place for a media consumption device that doesn't run a full x86 Windows. If they do that, there's every chance that a Windows tablet might be successful.
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I have no played with it but have heard it is a good OS. If HP don't want it they should sell it to someone who does, so the work isn't wasted, instead of just leaving it to rot.

I imagine they could sell it for something at least. Or...open source it. Maybe open source the OS but still make the hardware? I don't know. I agree it is unfortunate when unique platforms die.
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I have an iPad 2, a touchpad and I have also used some of the android tablets.
The iPad beats them all, but I really like what webos has to offer. It's very intuitive, has better multitasking & notification system and synergy (most of your online accounts sync into the os). There are 2 main issues i see with the OS, it does not feel like its fully optimized like iOS is, there's definitely some work needed to get the OS to be as snappy as iOS. The touch pad hardware is very powerful (though the design leaves allot to be desired) but webos does not take advantage of it (the OS is not accelerated by the graphics hardware). Then there's the apps. The browser is good, but not as good as safari (allot of little things can be improved) and the are only 1000 touch pad apps and most do not touch the quality of iPad apps. (though there are some gems)
I really hope that webos gets spun off, bought out by some one who really wants to continue it or hp will do an about face and put its full weight behind it. Competition is a good thing.
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Ah, yes,I forgot IBM. Good catch.

In fact, a safe rule to follow in the AI forums is that you can say anything about any company in the world that isn't Apple, as long as it's negative.

The world simply won't be safe until all other companies are gone, and everything, even our food, comes from Apple.

If you disagree you're a paid troll.

But you just keep posting here, don't you? You and your pals, constantly going on about the low grade of discourse, the braying fanboys, the rigorously enforced group think. So rigorously enforced you're barely able to speak your mind fifty sixty or a hundred times without someone disagreeing with you! It's like a reeducation camp in here! That you voluntarily attend! With no consequences for telling everyone how stupid they are!
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"...John Dvorak, a prominent bellwether who always rings in the wrong direction."

A perfect description of the man.
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