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Microsoft allegedly blocked its former data center manager from joining Apple after reportedly being hired by the company in April to oversee iCloud operations.

In a report released on Friday, sources close to the situation revealed that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer allegedly threatened legal action against Apple if the company went through with the reported hiring away of data center chief Kevin Timmons, according to Business Insider.

Timmons was unhappy working in Redmond and wanted badly to return to California, reportedly asking Apple for a job by offering a plan to lower the operating cost of its existing data centers. He was asked to stay by his bosses and co-workers at Microsoft, but "had an attitude" when Ballmer finally talked with him about the situation, said a Business Insider source.

Although Apple liked the pitch and agreed to hire the data guru, a rumored call from Ballmer threatening legal action ended Timmons' would-be deal.

It was reported earlier this year that Timmons had been hired by Apple in April and was thought to have been tapped to oversee Apple's iCloud at the company's North Carolina data center. But when the service rolled out on Oct. 12 there was no sign that Timmons had worked on the project. Five days later it was revealed that Timmons took a job as the new CTO of CyrusOne, an enterprise data center solutions provider owned by Cincinnati Bell.

Meanwhile, Apple appears to have hired hired Scott Noteboom, Yahoo's former vice president of data center engineering. According to his LinkedIn profile, Noteboom has been listed as a "Distinguished Gentleman" at Apple as of October.
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Apple doesn't really need gurus. They need revolutionist.
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Apple doesn't really need gurus. They need revolutionist.

Guru is more in keeping with Steve's Buddhist philosophies. Revolution has negative connotations - evolution is more palatable and more consistent with Apples measured, well thought out, and steady improvement methodology. Building upon success usually works better than tearing down and replacing, just look at HP or Netflix as a current example of what not to do.

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Guru is more in keeping with Steve's Buddhist philosophies. Revolution has negative connotations - evolution is more palatable and more consistent with Apples measured, well thought out, and steady improvement methodology. Building upon success usually works better than tearing down and replacing, just look at HP or Netflix as a current example of what not to do.

So at the celebrating Steve event they called him a revolutionist and a rebel and other things. I guess they were wrong as well?
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So at the celebrating Steve event they called him a revolutionist and a rebel and other things. I guess they were wrong as well?

No those were his character flaws. Some might call them attributes but I think once he returned to Apple he understood that radical has to be tempered with practical to be successful.

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Come on guys. Let's not over think this! There is no question that Steve was a revolutionary, and led the company to develop revolutionary products. But he was also a guru in leading the company, and building and mentoring the team.

Balmer on the other hand, monkey-boy. Spoiled little brat that throws temper tantrums with a slash and burn mentality.
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Come on guys. Let's not over think this! There is no question that Steve was a revolutionary, and led the company to develop revolutionary products. But he was also a guru in leading the company, and building and mentoring the team.

Balmer on the other hand, monkey-boy. Spoiled little brat that throws temper tantrums and a slash and burn mentality.

Steve was a revouru and a guronary. Ballmer is a zune.
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post #8 of 37
Guru is best reserved for Yogis.
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No those were his character flaws. Some might call them attributes but I think once he returned to Apple he understood that radical has to be tempered with practical to be successful.

Steve said Shit, fuck jack ass, kiss my ass, called people losers and so forth. Steve was a very aggressive and intimidating man when he wanted to be. Going off on a rage and firing a whole department. Now I am not trying to point out all of Steve's bad traits (to make him a bad man) but when you make him to be a loving calm mild mannered man, well that don't quite fit. He was all of them. Not just short of a monk. Really! He was very aggressive and yet he was very kind. Further more unless we lived with him we really didn't know steve. So you and my opinion doesn't make steve. Only his wife and all who worked close to him daily knew him. So when you want to make me believe who he was based on your opinion. No. I will go with what I hear from the people who were close to him. When they say he was a Buddhist Monk then I will believe it. And no I don't believe you are saying he was a Buddhist monk. But his Buddhist faith didn't make him through and through. Steve made him self through and through.
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So at the celebrating Steve event they called him a revolutionist and a rebel and other things. I guess they were wrong as well?

I think he was those things and to the great benefit of Apple. It's just not feasible to hire a revolutionary though. Maybe someone at Apple will do amazing enough work to be considered a revolutionary in the future.
Although that might be a bit greedy.
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No those were his character flaws. Some might call them attributes but I think once he returned to Apple he understood that radical has to be tempered with practical to be successful.

Here Listen to this.

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html
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Steve was a revouru and a guronary. Ballmer is a zune.

+1.
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Ballmer is such a douche bag. I seriously wish that guy would have the massive heart attack he deserves and just die.

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I wonder how many chairs Ballmer threw?

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Ballmer is such a douche bag. I seriously wish that guy would have the massive heart attack he deserves and just die.

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There is only one douche bag that I see here.
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Hiring somebody from Yahoo seems like a really bad decision. I use Yahoo as my home page and click on stories often. Not a day goes by where something on one of their pages doesn't work. Their interface is different on different stories. Daily there are server errors. At least they didn't hire somebody from AOL. That would be worse.
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Ballmer is such a douche bag. I seriously wish that guy would have the massive heart attack he deserves and just die.

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Since he has been CEO Microsoft hasn't shown real promise. Windows Vista was a joke, and Windows 7 was the fix for Vista. Kinda like the Windows ME to Windows XP thing. When is Microsoft gonna get it. DLL OS is not worth it. They tried Linux os and they purposely made it flop. They could have made it work but there was no money in it. The Xbox 360 is a disaster. Red ring failures under developed to fail boxes. The Zune was a joke. now the Windows Phone and Windows 8. I have Windows 8 Dev pre and its a Joke. Really. All that money they have made over the years they are throwing it away in my opinion. Nothing original. Always copying some one else. Steve even said that Microsoft can't create something original. Ballmer needs to get with it and stop trying to keep up. He needs to get where the hockey put will be.
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It's too bad he couldn't have been a bit diplomatic/reassuring to his old bosses about keeping their secrets. Apple needs some server side gurus, they are historically weak in this area. Maybe they could try poaching some Google or Amazon guys.
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For the average Joe, this story doesn't mean much. However, for us nerds out there, this story is a little interesting.

After all, there's a high stake game going on out there involving Google, Microsoft, and Apple. As a matter of fact, it's fun to watch all these big players jockey for position.

Ok, I digress. Back to my two cents...

IF the facts are correct in this story, I don't blame Ballmer for making the call. Good on him. After all, did Timmons actually believe he could work for Apple without a major fuss from Microsoft?
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Now the Windows Phone and Windows 8. I have Windows 8 Dev pre and its a joke. Really.

Let me guess. You're not actually a developer and you installed it in a VM?
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Although Apple liked the pitch and agreed to hire the data guru, a rumored call from Ballmer threatening legal action ended Timmons' would-be deal.

I call BS.

Ballmer would have called Jobs directly without going through underlings. Who would have known about this:

- Jobs
- Ballmer
- Maybe one or two lawyers on each side
- Timmons, the affected employee

I can't see that any of them would be talking. The only one that's even remotely plausible would be Timmons, but I can't see that, either. Knowing that he would have left other than legal action would be horrible for morale and his working relationship with subordinates.

Sounds to me like someone is just making wild guesses again.
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post #22 of 37
and now that he has left, gone to work somewhere else, what's to stop him from going to Apple shortly and saying "You know that deal we talked about awhile back"

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and now that he has left, gone to work somewhere else, what's to stop him from going to Apple shortly and saying "You know that deal we talked about awhile back"

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The fact that it would still be all over the internet.
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True, but we don't know what if any contract or non compete, or time table he has until he could go to work for Apple should he choose to do so.

MicroSoft, can't expect to keep from from going there forever?

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Steve said Shit, fuck jack ass, kiss my ass, called people losers and so forth. Steve was a very aggressive and intimidating man when he wanted to be. Going off on a rage and firing a whole department. Now I am not trying to point out all of Steve's bad traits (to make him a bad man) but when you make him to be a loving calm mild mannered man, well that don't quite fit. He was all of them. Not just short of a monk. Really! He was very aggressive and yet he was very kind. Further more unless we lived with him we really didn't know steve. So you and my opinion doesn't make steve. Only his wife and all who worked close to him daily knew him. So when you want to make me believe who he was based on your opinion. No. I will go with what I hear from the people who were close to him. When they say he was a Buddhist Monk then I will believe it. And no I don't believe you are saying he was a Buddhist monk. But his Buddhist faith didn't make him through and through. Steve made him self through and through.

Firing incompetent employees is certainly better than promoting, which is the method most widely used today.
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Ballmer is a zune.

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Without a non-compete agreement, is this not restraint-of-trade?
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Without a non-compete agreement, is this not restraint-of-trade?

There has to be a non compete agreement there. Microsoft has a ton of secrets on how it manages its data centers. i would think they would not want apple getting them.
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There has to be a non compete agreement there. Microsoft has a ton of secrets on how it manages its data centers. i would think they would not want apple getting them.

The NCA would indeed drive all of this (nothing mentioned in AI article). Why would Timmons think he could just leave and work for Apple? Why would Ballmer have to call Apple? With the NCA, I would think in-house MS counsel would send a legal notice to Apple counsel and be done with it.
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It's too bad he couldn't have been a bit diplomatic/reassuring to his old bosses about keeping their secrets. Apple needs some server side gurus, they are historically weak in this area. Maybe they could try poaching some Google or Amazon guys.

I find it interesting that this guy wasn't poached. He weren't to Apple on his own

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Lol!!
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Guru is more in keeping with Steve's Buddhist philosophies. Revolution has negative connotations - evolution is more palatable and more consistent with Apples measured, well thought out, and steady improvement methodology. Building upon success usually works better than tearing down and replacing, just look at HP or Netflix as a current example of what not to do.

Yeah as in Guru You........I'm reading the book Steve.
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People need to read the book before commenting about Steve Jobs.
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Ballmer is such a douche bag. I seriously wish that guy would have the massive heart attack he deserves and just die.

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Wow, that's harsh. I love Ballmer. As long as he's in charge, Microsoft is no competitive danger to anyone.

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Wow, that's harsh. I love Ballmer. As long as he's in charge, Microsoft is no competitive danger to anyone.

To his health then
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If Timmons had anything to do with the Great Sidekick crash of 2009, then it's actually great Apple never hired him.
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