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Why did he say that?

He was probably envisioning the tunnelling effect.

Its a natural process that people misinterpret as "getting close to God."

In reality, the blood in the eye sockets compress on the retina from the sides creating a "tunnel" effect. Many people interpret this as the "light at the end of the tunnel" = God awaiting them.





And children of other fathers are dont have it hard?

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His last words were at once beautiful and freaky. Beautiful because he probably saw and experienced something awe inspiring. And freaky because we don't know what that was. OH WOW is not a carefully considered response. He could have been at a top of a scary roller coaster about to descend, or he could have been blinded by light. I guess we'll find out at some point.

Steve's last vision was a glimpse of the future... he saw Page and Brin cutting and raking Larry Ellison's lawn...
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post #83 of 128
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Why did he say that?

He was probably envisioning the tunnelling effect.

Its a natural process that people misinterpret as "getting close to God."

In reality, the blood in the eye sockets compress on the retina from the sides creating a "tunnel" effect. Many people interpret this as the "light at the end of the tunnel" = God awaiting them.

Lets hope the doctors explained that to Job's family as he was passing¡
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I'd also like to know what the hell is going on at AI... there is one comment for sure that should have disappeared a long time ago... but still nothing. Weird... this place is definitely going for a crap...

I have no problem with offensive posts being removed but on the other hand we should just ignore them. Obnoxious posters are best left alone. Their posts show them for what they are and no further comment is needed. There are a lot of borderline posts from intelligent people but those are OK imo. The directly abusive that clearly lack intelligence are easily detected and by-passed.
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Steve's last vision was a glimpse of the future... he saw Page and Brin cutting and raking Larry Ellison's lawn...

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Having been around him at NeXT and Apple it's clear you believe in weak willed folks who are used to being coddled and praised and never called when they create s***. I've never stomached egoists in any facet of life. They are ripe to being smacked down and served a huge slice of humble pie. Passion drove Steve in every endeavor. Most people truly are dead inside, or so dimly lit they can't handle when the one talent they possess is challenged. I've read so much fantasy about what an abominable personality Steve embodied I truly thought I was transported to a different Earth.

People I have never stomached are the likes of those who swim in insipid vats of false self-congratulatory masturbation for this or that achievement, when it truly is s***. I knew a lot of them in Engineering and they went to work at Microsoft or Google or other such second rate places to apply their skills. None of them were ever interviewed at NeXT or Apple.

While Microsoft was asking mental masturbatory questions like, ``If given an infinite amount of rope you stand at the Equator with a 20 foot drop and a 20 foot chasm across how would you get across the other side with no ladder?'' NeXT asked what your passions in life were and how it could be brought to work on doing something worth doing.

I had that question asked to me by the ex-Microsoft dweebs from Wild Tangent and they were stunned I answered, ``I would fill the chasm with the infinite amount of rope and walk across,'' because everyone but myself actually did answer by walking around the damn Earth. I made fun of such a stupid answer and the VP of Business Development [ex-Microsoft] didn't find it so amusing as he thought of it.

I couldn't help but tell him that's why he's at Wild Tangent in Business Development and not at Apple or any other place where Math and Physics would dictate you take the simplest path to solve a problem.


You don't create loyalty from every corporation he found and ran, to this day, by coddling the staff.

I missed our NeXT Reunion lamenting Steve and the history of NeXT, but I've been talking to them all via Facebook and LinkedIn. Forstall gave a great speech, from what I was told.

You can't talk unless you've been around people worthy of respect. Respect is earned, and Steve earned in spades.

Thank you for posting this.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Oh come on, give it a rest. There's no need to spoil a nice moment with childish rubbish.

We're all just machines and when the electricity stops in our brains, we no longer exist. Steve was no different.

Interesting that you think that, but since we are talking about Steve and not you, perhaps you shouldn't try so hard to foist your view on everyone.

By the way, all accounts indicate that Steve was an intensely spiritual man. Not necessarily a believer in God (although by his own account he put the odds more at 50 / 50), but Steve certainly believed in the power of the spirit, and he absolutely believed there was something else out there beyond our mere flesh.

So, who's more off-base when talking about Steve's passing - the one who errs on the side of the deeply spiritual, or the one who shouts them down for not being coldly mechanical?

Steve's entire life is testimony to the idea that our technologies, and ourselves, can and should rise beyond the coldly calculated and into a realm that is inspired by beauty and seeking beyond ourselves for something greater. If we are all just machines, then there is no greater to which we may attain.

Fom every account I've ever read of him, Steve himself would have rejected the philosophy you are espousing. So what makes you 'in the right', exactly?
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Why did he say that?

He was probably envisioning the tunnelling effect.

Its a natural process that people misinterpret as "getting close to God."

Not that you could possibly know this (whether or not a misinterpretation).
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I have no problem with offensive posts being removed but on the other hand we should just ignore them. Obnoxious posters are best left alone. Their posts show them for what they are and no further comment is needed. There are a lot of borderline posts from intelligent people but those are OK imo. The directly abusive that clearly lack intelligence are easily detected and by-passed.

Isn't it funny when the abusers know exactly who you are talking about even if you don't mention them by name or by post...
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you believe in weak willed folks

never called when they create s***.

smacked down and served a huge slice of humble pie.

Most people truly are dead inside

an abominable personality Steve embodied

People I have never stomached

insipid vats of false self-congratulatory masturbation

that achievement, when it truly is s***.

mental masturbatory questions

dweebs from Wild Tangent

I made fun of such a stupid answer




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How can we get rid of this sort of poster?

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Recounting the manner in which Jobs approached death, Simpson said "what he was, was how he died." According to her, "death didnt happen to Steve, he achieved it

Does this mean we all achieve death since that is the end we all must meet instead of it just happening? "Achieving" death is a pretty easy achievement. Sorry no body "achieves" death. It is a given. But how to achieve life after death is the real achievement, which, unfortunately, Steve Jobs did not achieve.

In regards to the "OH WOW"s... he definitely loved his family. Couldnt have picked a better phrase to describe one's family.

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W. Pauli, winner of the Nobel prize in physics, said that all scientific methods fail when questions of origin are involved.


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It's said that in near death experiences and before you die that your body gives you a good dose of DMT. Chances are Steve was tripping balls in his last momen

From what I have heard, Steve had long abused illegal and dangerous drugs. Indeed, I have heard that he even advocated drug abuse by other people. Very sad.
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Mods - How can we get rid of this sort of poster?

The same way they didn't get rid of you: Reporting the post with the little exclamation mark in the bottom left.

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From what I have heard, Steve has long used illegal and dangerous drugs. Indeed, I have heard that he even advocated drug use by other people. Very sad.

LSD wasn't illegal when Steve's reported to have taken it. Dangerous, though? Probably.

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post #94 of 128
I have not see the movie Star Trek Generation in years, but isn't that what Captain Kirk said when he died ("Oh wow")? Maybe Jobs was a fan of Star Trek as alot of Apple stuff is similar Star Trek.
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And Santa Claus was with them!

Thanks for mocking. I'll remember that whenever you have anything sincere to say. Seriously, the family member was one of the best doctors of the time and had a brilliant mind. The experience was not contrived. But anyway, sorry, pearls swine thing. I forgot.
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I have not see the movie Star Trek Generation in years, but isn't that what Captain Kirk said when he died ("Oh wow")? Maybe Jobs was a fan of Star Trek as alot of Apple stuff is similar Star Trek.

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"Oh, my…" *no sense of wonderment, no emphasis at all, really*

The last thing you ever say wouldn't be a movie quote nor inspired by one. Come off it.

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Having been around him at NeXT and Apple it's clear you believe in weak willed folks who are used to being coddled and praised and never called when they create s***. I've never stomached egoists in any facet of life. They are ripe to being smacked down and served a huge slice of humble pie. Passion drove Steve in every endeavor. Most people truly are dead inside, or so dimly lit they can't handle when the one talent they possess is challenged. I've read so much fantasy about what an abominable personality Steve embodied I truly thought I was transported to a different Earth.

People I have never stomached are the likes of those who swim in insipid vats of false self-congratulatory masturbation for this or that achievement, when it truly is s***. I knew a lot of them in Engineering and they went to work at Microsoft or Google or other such second rate places to apply their skills. None of them were ever interviewed at NeXT or Apple.

While Microsoft was asking mental masturbatory questions like, ``If given an infinite amount of rope you stand at the Equator with a 20 foot drop and a 20 foot chasm across how would you get across the other side with no ladder?'' NeXT asked what your passions in life were and how it could be brought to work on doing something worth doing.

I had that question asked to me by the ex-Microsoft dweebs from Wild Tangent and they were stunned I answered, ``I would fill the chasm with the infinite amount of rope and walk across,'' because everyone but myself actually did answer by walking around the damn Earth. I made fun of such a stupid answer and the VP of Business Development [ex-Microsoft] didn't find it so amusing as he thought of it.

I couldn't help but tell him that's why he's at Wild Tangent in Business Development and not at Apple or any other place where Math and Physics would dictate you take the simplest path to solve a problem.


You don't create loyalty from every corporation he found and ran, to this day, by coddling the staff.

I missed our NeXT Reunion lamenting Steve and the history of NeXT, but I've been talking to them all via Facebook and LinkedIn. Forstall gave a great speech, from what I was told.

You can't talk unless you've been around people worthy of respect. Respect is earned, and Steve earned in spades.

Thanks for the inside look at the man and his company.

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I think that's wrong that she shared his last words. Anyone's death shouldn't be told to people like that.

You mean it should be a private family moment? The thought has crossed my mind. However, this doesn't come from tabloid source or rumor, but from Steve's very own beloved sister. She wanted us to know. I don't feel that she revealed that moment out of insensitivity or disregard for Steve's wishes, but to humanize and affirm her brother in that last moment of lucidness. *heavy sigh*

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I have not see the movie Star Trek Generation in years, but isn't that what Captain Kirk said when he died ("Oh wow")? Maybe Jobs was a fan of Star Trek as alot of Apple stuff is similar Star Trek.

No and no. And that movie was awful.
People's interpretation of Steve's last words reaveals nothing about Steve; only he understands their meaning. Our speculation only reveals our own individual biases.

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post #100 of 128
we always reincarnate in our own family group, so, steve will be back as some of the future children of steve's children. That's the way it is for we all.
The acquired knowledge from every life (everything we have learnt and done) are no lost, It's recorded in our akashik records. So, you could expect great things from future generations of the Job's family.

Nothing is lost, he's not gone, just evolved into another state of existance, our REAL state of existance.

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Isn't it funny when the abusers know exactly who you are talking about even if you don't mention them by name or by post...

Not sure what you mean but I get a sense you think I meant you. Did you? surely not? Because I didn't.

But the others know, of course. The posters who are being abusive, who troll and who's responses are particularly venomous know who they are. A lot of them live over at cnet, I think.
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Perhaps the most successful business leaders in the modern age was driven by love and beauty.

We have a highly dysfunctional global economy driven by short sighted selfishness and money grubbing greed. The byproducts of this dysfunction are deep and wide. We should be moving rapidly into the Space Age, but we are stuck with things like perpetual war, mass starvation and extinction, irreparable toxicity contaminating the deepest caves and the highest clouds, entrenched servitude to the working class lifestyle, and slowly building climate change.

But the conventional wisdom is that the profit motive, selfishness, greed, are the things that will drive the best economic outcome.

How ironic, and profound.

Hopefully over time Steve Jobs will be studied not as a technologist, but as a business leader who saw that the bigger picture is not a dream for hippies, but is integral to achieving true positive outcomes.

sigh

Very well thought out and written. I agree compeletely. If this forum software wasn't quite so antiquated I would upvote.
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No and no. And that movie was awful.
People's interpretation of Steve's last words reaveals nothing about Steve; only he understands their meaning. Our speculation only reveals our own individual biases.

Thanks for the correction (and Tallest Skil too). I only saw (like you said awful) movie like once or twice (at least 10 years ago since the last time). Jobs seemed similar to me which is why I asked.
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She's his sister, and they were obviously close. I think she had every right to do so. Besides, she and his wife have much more insight into this matter than any of us.

Not to mention, just about every detail of Steve's life has been written about in the biography (which was authorized by him), every news organization has commented on his life/death to great length. Why should his own sister recalling his death be any different?

I have no problems with his sister's decision to share. But it's quite telling that Laurene Powell has been personally silent. We only hear second hand stories of her feelings.

I also profoundly disagree about one thing you wrote. The biography does not come close to sharing every detail of Jobs's life. In fact, it has huge gaps. The first half rehashes details already known from other accounts. It appears that neither Jobs nor Powell really shared as much with Isaacson as he had let on.
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Not sure what you mean but I get a sense you think I meant you. Did you? surely not? Because I didn't.

But the others know, of course. The posters who are being abusive, who troll and who's responses are particularly venomous know who they are. A lot of them live over at cnet, I think.

No no... not you... the other person who responded to my comment.

The same person who made the most abusive comment in this thread.
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Having been around him at NeXT and Apple it's clear you believe in weak willed folks who are used to being coddled and praised and never called when they create s***. I've never stomached egoists in any facet of life. They are ripe to being smacked down and served a huge slice of humble pie. Passion drove Steve in every endeavor. Most people truly are dead inside, or so dimly lit they can't handle when the one talent they possess is challenged. I've read so much fantasy about what an abominable personality Steve embodied I truly thought I was transported to a different Earth.

People I have never stomached are the likes of those who swim in insipid vats of false self-congratulatory masturbation for this or that achievement, when it truly is s***. I knew a lot of them in Engineering and they went to work at Microsoft or Google or other such second rate places to apply their skills. None of them were ever interviewed at NeXT or Apple.

While Microsoft was asking mental masturbatory questions like, ``If given an infinite amount of rope you stand at the Equator with a 20 foot drop and a 20 foot chasm across how would you get across the other side with no ladder?'' NeXT asked what your passions in life were and how it could be brought to work on doing something worth doing.

I had that question asked to me by the ex-Microsoft dweebs from Wild Tangent and they were stunned I answered, ``I would fill the chasm with the infinite amount of rope and walk across,'' because everyone but myself actually did answer by walking around the damn Earth. I made fun of such a stupid answer and the VP of Business Development [ex-Microsoft] didn't find it so amusing as he thought of it.

I couldn't help but tell him that's why he's at Wild Tangent in Business Development and not at Apple or any other place where Math and Physics would dictate you take the simplest path to solve a problem.


You don't create loyalty from every corporation he found and ran, to this day, by coddling the staff.

I missed our NeXT Reunion lamenting Steve and the history of NeXT, but I've been talking to them all via Facebook and LinkedIn. Forstall gave a great speech, from what I was told.

You can't talk unless you've been around people worthy of respect. Respect is earned, and Steve earned in spades.

And yet after reading the book you get the feeling he respected very few people if anyone. There have been very successful people in life that did not treat people like garbage. Push them, lead them, inspire them, but you don't have to shit on them....and from what I read on a daily basis.
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Why did he say that?

Because "Rosebud" was already taken.

Seriously, despite your 'logical' rationale, I think Steve may have in his last moments encountered something Insanely Great.
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... it's quite telling that Laurene Powell has been personally silent. We only hear second hand stories of her feelings.

No it isn't. She is his widow and owes no one - you and me included - any explanation. If she ever decides if or when to share her memories and feelings, she has the right to do that in her own good time. Or not.

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And yet after reading the book you get the feeling he respected very few people if anyone. There have been very successful people in life that did not treat people like garbage. Push them, lead them, inspire them, but you don't have to shit on them....and from what I read on a daily basis.

Funny how a guy who supposedly respected so few people could get people to be so loyal to him.

Ive - been around Apple since before Steve reappeared

Forstall - a Next employee

Oppenheimer - joined Apple in 1996

Schiller - 17 years at Apple

Cue - 22 years at Apple

Cook - 13 years at Apple

Mansfield - 12 years

Johnson - 11 years

Williams - 13 years

All guys who reported directly to Steve. It must have been awful for them. \
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I have not see the movie Star Trek Generation in years, but isn't that what Captain Kirk said when he died ("Oh wow")? Maybe Jobs was a fan of Star Trek as alot of Apple stuff is similar Star Trek.

It's funny but I've found that many people post in forums only because it's too difficult to Google up the answers (don't fret, I've done that too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TtMEcZk3AE

Kirk said, "Oh my" one time and then died.

But I agree with others here that a movie would most likely NOT serve as the inspiration for someone's final "death words." And I believe that to be true of Steve Jobs, ven though it can be said he was truly "unique among men."



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AFAIK, given his rejection of Jesus Christ as his Personal Saviour, he will not be welcome at the right hand of God in the Kingdom of Heaven. Not unless he repented of his sins at some point before his death and accepted Jesus, that is.

It is very sad that with all the good Christians in his life, none of them were able to save his soul, as far as any of us are aware.

Perhaps you meant to say "no Christian shared the Gospel with Mr. Jobs," seeing that Christians save no one of their own power. Biblically speaking, salvation comes through a heart changed by the Holy Spirit.

But it cannot be said he had no exposure to Christianity or that he was never given the opportunity to know its teachings. The recently released biography states that Jobs had been in church up until about age 13:
"He rejected the religion at the age of 13, the book reveals, after seeing starving children on the cover of Life magazine. After asking his pastor if God knew about those children, he never went back to church. He studied Zen Buddhism later in life."

But it's also interesting to read how being faced with death changes (however slightly) even the most hardcore among men:
Walter Isaacson, Jobs official biographer, told CNN: I remember sitting in his backyard in his garden one day and he started talking about God. He said, Sometimes I believe in God, sometimes I dont. I think its 50-50 maybe.

As to what Mr. Jobs saw when he died after having moved his eyes across his family, we cannot know. Perhaps the cold and dry scientific explanations do have some merit. Maybe he did see a light at the end of a tunnel that wasn't really there. But the real question is, what does one see after he opens his eyes in the next life? If one accepts the Biblical explanation, it isn't a happy ending for everyone:
"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." Luke 16:23

When I was attending engineering school in the early 1990's, a college friend of mine who was not a Christian often expressed much contempt for the faith, citing numerous historical reasons. One day the topic of "the Bible" came up and he quipped, "I hate that book." I then asked if he had ever read it, to which he replied, "No, but I intend to some day."

Whether one has faith or lack thereof, it would do one well to first examine a matter before utterly rejecting it. We cannot know, unfortunately, what that preacher said to Steve Jobs about the starving children on the cover of Life magazine, but it would appear that Jobs made his decision after being properly informed about Christianity, as well as Buddhism and other faiths too. But regardless of what Mr. Jobs may have decided for himself, we must make our own choices on what we will accept or reject. And if there is a life hereafter (which I think there is), our decisions here will have an impact on what comes NeXT.

For now all of us here are still among the living, and our eyes are closely transfixed on what accomplishments Steve Jobs made in his life which have touched each of us in numerous ways.
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Some people wish to die in their sleep.

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I have no problems with his sister's decision to share. But it's quite telling that Laurene Powell has been personally silent.

It doesn't seem to be telling me anything. What do you believe it tells?
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AFAIK, given his rejection of Jesus Christ as his Personal Saviour, he will not be welcome at the right hand of God in the Kingdom of Heaven. Not unless he repented of his sins at some point before his death and accepted Jesus, that is.

The fact that Christianity and Islam teach that men like Steve Jobs, Einstein, Edison and the great majority of scientists, engineers, artists, innovators, not to mention billions of good decent humans will be tortured forever by an insanely unjust and sadistic god is clear proof that these religions have been misleading mankind for centuries.

I predict that the last words of Steve Jobs will become the most famous of last words. What was that vision that drew his intense, final gaze away from the wife and children he loved so very deeply and made this lover of beauty and perfection exclaim: OH WOW...OH WOW...OH WOW???

That was a deathbed scene for the ages.
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The fact that Christianity and Islam teach that men like Steve Jobs, Einstein, Edison and the great majority of scientists, engineers, artists, innovators, not to mention billions of good decent humans will be tortured forever by an insanely unjust and sadistic god is clear proof that these religions have been misleading mankind for centuries.

I agree that the mere thought of someone we revere being treated unjustly, in human terms, is frightful indeed. Especially so when what we perceive as injustice is extended to "all of eternity." And despite the evidence, none of us really knew Steve Jobs' heart fully so we cannot say 100% where his spirit is today.

But for the sake of clarification, in terms of Christianity, eternal punishment is Biblically tied to "missing the mark" (i.e., "sin"), which is defined not in human terms but by the Biblical "Creator" Himself. If one assumes that the Biblical Creator is 100% perfect and 100% holy, and going under the universal understanding that no human being is 100% perfect, it stands to reason that "imperfection/sin/missing the mark" would act like a cancer in the presence of a 100% perfect and holy being, and therefore such cancer would not be permitted to exist in that being's presence. Of course, Christianity provides a way to solve that problem, by cleansing imperfect human beings with the perfection of the God/human Jesus Christ. But of course, whether one is perfected in the blood of Christ would depend solely on one's acceptance of the Christ, as is written in the book given to man by that Creator Himself.

In the end, much of what is in the Bible seems harsh on the outset until one reads more of what the text actually says. And after having read the text fully, one's disposition toward the text will depend on whether he or she accepts or rejects it as being "Truth." If one accepts the Biblical teaching that there is an "insanely unjust and sadistic" Satan and a group of fallen angels intent on deceiving the human race into "unbelief," it makes more sense that who follow that path of deception would most assuredly reject the Bible as being truth. But in such a case, can that person who rejects the Bible proclaim, without any doubt whatsoever, that they are enlightened to the fact that there is no God and Christianity is truly "false"? Or are they merely deceived by a wicked spirit who is the master of deception and the Biblically labeled "father of lies"? To resolve the doubt, one would need to investigate, try to see if there is such a thing as Universal Truth, and then either accept or reject it in the end. But how many of us truly search for Truth? Do we not rather just believe is our fathers believe or perhaps as "society" believes, whether they accept or reject a given faith? Who is truly searching for Truth today, as compared with the majority who searches instead for "pleasure and happiness" during our 75 years on earth?

But regardless, it cannot be debated that the loss of Steve Jobs is a great loss indeed for those who have been touched by his life. He will be sorely missed.
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Sooner or later, we'll all inevitably come to the end of the road. Whether or not there is an afterlife or just an on-off switch to your existence, just hope that when it does happen that you can face it surrounded by your loved ones instead of alone by yourself.
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For a guy who gave the world so many fabulous inventions, and one who considered Death to be the best invention of life, it is but natural that the immediate prospect of death was an "Oh Wow" moment. Not very different from the expression we have when we open our iDevice packaging!

In a way, I think Steve was brilliant at multiple levels - even levels that most people don't even think about. Amongst all the religions, Buddhism is arguably the most rational religion - it offers the best blueprint for someone to go through the ups and downs of life, and to deal with the chaos and diversity in the world. For someone who was born in a different religion, to have a deep and philosophical insight into religion, and to embrace Buddhism is possibly the earliest sign of greatness in Steve.

When I read comments from some posters, about Steve Jobs having so many Christians around him, but still no one could "save him", I feel sorry for the poster - that he even thinks people need to be saved. Only a religion that threatens eternal damnation unless you seek salvation at the foot of Christ can come up with such masterpieces!
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Thanks for the correction (and Tallest Skil too). I only saw (like you said awful) movie like once or twice (at least 10 years ago since the last time). Jobs seemed similar to me which is why I asked.

I heard William Shatner didn't even like that movie. He was pissed about the way Kirk died, and brought him back to life in one of his apocryphal novels. Worse getting worser.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

While Microsoft was asking mental masturbatory questions like, ``If given an infinite amount of rope you stand at the Equator with a 20 foot drop and a 20 foot chasm across how would you get across the other side with no ladder?'' NeXT asked what your passions in life were and how it could be brought to work on doing something worth doing.

I had that question asked to me by the ex-Microsoft dweebs from Wild Tangent and they were stunned I answered, ``I would fill the chasm with the infinite amount of rope and walk across,'' because everyone but myself actually did answer by walking around the damn Earth. I made fun of such a stupid answer and the VP of Business Development [ex-Microsoft] didn't find it so amusing as he thought of it.

I couldn't help but tell him that's why he's at Wild Tangent in Business Development and not at Apple or any other place where Math and Physics would dictate you take the simplest path to solve a problem.


You don't create loyalty from every corporation he found and ran, to this day, by coddling the staff.

I missed our NeXT Reunion lamenting Steve and the history of NeXT, but I've been talking to them all via Facebook and LinkedIn. Forstall gave a great speech, from what I was told.

You can't talk unless you've been around people worthy of respect. Respect is earned, and Steve earned in spades.

Ha Ha your answer was brilliant. I knew it was a stupid ass question but was I the only one to think "space elevator"? It shot into my mind... You tie some sort of weight to one end of the rope, blast it into geo or whatever, then swing across. Or something like that.

But the stupid interview smartass questions I hear being asked at Microsoft and Google do infuriate me. At some stage I was impressed by this kind of intellectualism but the challenges of modern existence proves that if you're that smart with puzzles, either code a solid piece of software, AND/OR solve clean, safe, limitless energy and faster-than-light travel, OR GTFO.

For me, personally though, I have discovered that you should be happy just being yourself, however great or not you or anyone else thinks you are. For various reasons I'm not cut out for the high-flying cutting-edge Silicon Valley lifestyle, but as Steve taught us, it's about pursuing your passion and making a difference in a way that gives you the most satisfaction. His passion was being the best at what he was passionate about. Clearly it wasn't being a nice, stable, predictable guy to bump into in the corridor. But his, and the sacrifices (personal, emotional, etc.) of those who worked with him, have brought about some very important changes for technology in our lifetime.
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For a guy who gave the world so many fabulous inventions, and one who considered Death to be the best invention of life, it is but natural that the immediate prospect of death was an "Oh Wow" moment. Not very different from the expression we have when we open our iDevice packaging!

Actually, that's a great observation. The way Death is "packaged" right now sucks as much as the brown PC cardboard box. We need Think Different about Death. Package it better, if you get my drift.

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When I read comments from some posters, about Steve Jobs having so many Christians around him, but still no one could "save him"...

Don't even spend time thinking about this. In the biography Steve said once he's 50% on whether God exists. Well, he would have found out by now (relative to our current linear timeline)!
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Complete relief from the pain he's had to deal with over all these years... Jobs was certainly no Christian so let's get that whole BS out of the way. What happens after one finally loses consciousness is not even worth debating. Why bother? Most likely, we just return to the state before we were born. Do you remember what you were doing before you were born? Steve felt all the pain go away. That's worthy of "OH WOW!"
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