Originally Posted by emilt
I have been an AppleInsider reader for many years.
I really love reading everyone's comments - content to let others speak what's on my mind and heart as well. This topic has forced me to open up an account and finally start speaking up.
What took you so long?
Seriously though welcome aboard. As you can see this thread impacts a lot of people in different ways.
I have been an avid Apple user/support since 1994. Prior to that I used macs in high school and college but never really understood or fell in love with them as I did once I graduated college and found my true calling as a graphic designer/communicator.
Since then I have purchased 10s if not hundreds of macs for various companies, institutions I have worked for, and have evangelized the platform to friends, family and co-workers.
It is always good to spend somebody else's money😃
Ok, so enough of my background.
Here's the deal:
1) Mac Pros are overpriced. I purchased my first G4 tower in 2001 for $1400. Now they are double this price. yes they are more powerful but now are priced even out of my price range as a grown man with house, kids, cars and a mortgage.
Well the baseline hardware is very overpriced. It gets a little more debatable at the higher end.
2) Software from Adobe, Apple and other require lots of horsepower - more horsepower than a mobile chip in a desktop form factor can provide. Don't tell me that a mac mini can do it. We purchased 10 mac minis a few months ago. We fitted two of them with i7 processors and 8 GB of ram. As a graphic designer, I tried one and we gave one to our web developer for use building websites in Joomla, doing graphics in Adobe CS 5.5 - a true multi-tasker. After less than a month, he gave it back and we went a different solution. it was too slow for him. I compared the performance of that mac mini and my first generation Mac Pro with a Quad-Core Xeon with 10 GB (macpro1,1). That 1st gen Mac Pro still blows the doors off the mac mini. I'm sticking with my Mac Pro and gave the mac mini to an administrative assistant in the office.
This is what a lot of people don't understand, Mac Pros exist to drive complex software quickly. It is all about time and money. But there is another element that frankly I fit into. That is Mac Pros are Apple only expandable choice. It is unacceptable that one has to spend $2500 to get a Mac with bays and slots.
3) Thunderbolt is great. I love it and it was because of this, the user-expandable ram option, and dual-monitor support - we went with the mac mini for general office work - and some graphics work. But for heavy-duty use, forget it. It is overpriced compared to alternatives. In order to get it to work I would have to pull out the stop and put in an SSD drive which would drive the cost to over $1200 for the privilege of a small form factor. Great. I purchased a used third generation 8-core Mac Pro for $1400 with more speed than two mac minis.
Apples laptops perform better than the Mini
3) iMacs - as others have written - please don't get me started. I tried those too. We have 3. Great for general purpose work and graphic design workers - but the G5 imacs and even some of the Intel ones had lots of heat-related issues. And instead of being able to replace a single part failure you have to turn in the whole thing - good luck with that. You have to have another one sitting in a corner somewhere to pull out and start using it - if you can get the drive contents moved over. You loose the whole thing! hard drive, video card, monitor - the whole thing! We do have a 27" iMac and have been pretty happy with it. Again, thunderbolt is a great option on this machine. However, as has been stated, an only glossy option is not appropriate for everyone.
Might as well get a MBP! The new MBPs are actually easier to service and frankly highlights where all of Apples design efforts go.
It's just tough. With the Mac Pro we had 4 proverbial bowls of porage to choose from. With the removal of this option, now we have 3 bowls for us to choose from - but they are all either too hot, too cold, not enough. Whatever we choose doesn't quite fit our needs, which requires us to compromise our needs and use cases. I love Apple - most of the time, but this is getting ridiculous.
The only machine I have any respect for in Apples line up is the Mini. That only as a low power node, it certainly isn't what I'm looking for.
We need a single workstation class machine - I don't care what anybody says. And if they choose to remove this option, people will go elsewhere. They are forcing people's hands. Maybe that is the purpose and intent - to finally move from a computer company to a consumer electronics company.
Well no they need a platform that can be sold in an array of configurations. This to cover low end computer needs and high end workstation needs.
If/when that day comes, it will indeed be a very sad day for all of the supporters who have helped Apple get to the point where they are now. They did the work and all success and praise goes to Steve and the other management team members that have brought Apple to where they are today. But - they were only able to do so because they had customers willing to believe in them, who stood by and argued and supported Apple when so many had written them off. The old proverb "pride comes before the fall" is still alive and well. Microsoft had the same attitude. I went to a small I.T. tradeshow in Long Beach today. They were relegated to a small space showing off their upcoming tablet offerings. Very sad for a once large company. If Apple takes its customers for granted this could happen to them - or any company as well. Apple, if you're reading this, provide us with an alternative - something between a mac mini and mac pro. Thanks.
The big question is this: does Apple even want this part of the market.