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Responding to unflattering comments made about him in Apple co-founder Steve Jobs's new biography, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said he's not bothered by the remarks.

The book "Steve Jobs" by author Walter Isaacson, released last week, includes comments from both Jobs and Gates about one another. While Gates said he found Jobs to be a "weirdly flawed human being," Jobs asserted that Gates was a "basically unimaginative" person who "never invented anything... He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

Upon hearing those comments, Gates spoke with ABC's This Week, and said he was not bothered by negative remarks made by Jobs. He admitted that Jobs said "a lot of very nice things about him," in addition to "a lot of tough things."

"We got to work together," Gates said. "We spurred each other on, even as competitors. None of that bothers me at all."

The Microsoft chairman said Jobs felt as though he was the "good guy" and Microsoft "were the bad guys." Gates said it was "understandable" why Jobs might feel that way.

"He faced, several times at Apple, the fact that their products were so premium priced that they literally might not stay in the marketplace," he said. "So the fact that we were succeeding with high volume products, you know, including a range of prices, because of the way we worked with multiple companies -- it's tough."



Isaacson's book -- which is now available in hardcover, on Apple's iBooks, and Amazon Kindle -- describes a number of confrontations between Gates and Jobs over the years. The book states that as Jobs would become emotional and angry, Gates had an opposite reaction and actually calmed down.

"I'm good when people are emotional -- I'm kind of less emotional," Gates was quoted as saying.
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Responding to unflattering comments made about him in Apple co-founder Steve Jobs's new biography, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said he's not bothered by the remarks.

Whew! That's a relief.
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i had a boss once where i used to sell pc's in a small shop... when a customer would come in complaining and shouting his head off... my boss would remain calm and mellow with a wry smile on his face - it was an unnerving quality.

he was also a bespectacled asshole of a little nerd with a bad haircut

mmm
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i had a boss once where i used to sell pc's in a small shop... when a customer would come in complaining and shouting his head off... my boss would remain calm and mellow with a wry smile on his face - it was an unnerving quality.

he was also a bespectacled asshole of a little nerd with a bad haircut

mmm

strewth, give the guy a break, jobs is dead, no need to be insulting about his appearance
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For all the things he did as part of Microsoft that I don't agree with, Bill Gates in his later years has grown into one heck of a human being.
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It's called "constructive criticism" right.
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What did you expect him to say? I think Bill took the high road on this one. If he acted even the least bit defensive, Apple-centric sites (and their readership) would rip him a new one for being callous in the wake of Jobs' death.
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Wait a minute.... did Jobs invent or design anything at Apple? I thought he had inventors and designers to do that, and then bought lots of startups and companies to incorporate their ideas into his product line.... kind of like Microsoft did....
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It is easy when you get paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year in dividends.

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For all the things he did as part of Microsoft that I don't agree with, Bill Gates in his later years has grown into one heck of a human being.
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If anyone takes the time to watch the entire interview, you'll see that Gates is exceptionally gracious about the whole thing.

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Wait a minute.... did Jobs invent or design anything at Apple? I thought he had inventors and designers to do that, and then bought lots of startups and companies to incorporate their ideas into his product line.... kind of like Microsoft did....

None of those products would exist without Steve Jobs.

While he did not personally sit down in a chair, design, build, test, and produce the iPad, for example, he played an integral role in making the iPad what it is today. Same goes for the iPhone, the Mac, digital music, and plenty of other things. It is easy enough to sit back and attempt to diminish his accomplishments by saying 'Really, did he invent anything?' but the fact is, he is the reason why so much has been invented—he has contributed so much to the aesthetic, ease-of-use, and functionality of technology as it is today—and that's quite amazing. His contribution can be commended as surely as Henry Ford's to the automobile.
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This makes me respect Gates a bit more.

He had the chance to have the last word, and he let it go.

It shows maturity and probably a great deal of self-awareness.
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Classy response. Shows both respect for Jobs' opinions and self-assurance and pride in his own work. No other words needed.

Kinda like this bill gates guy nowadays
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Wait a minute.... did Jobs invent or design anything at Apple? I thought he had inventors and designers to do that, and then bought lots of startups and companies to incorporate their ideas into his product line.... kind of like Microsoft did....

Do great conductors matter? All the players in a symphony orchestra actually make the music, don't they. I could stand in front of them and be the human metronome, right? And the Berlin Philharmonic would sound just as good under my baton as any other fool, right?

This analogy breaks down in Steve's case because in a sense although he didn't make the music, he often wrote it. Call him: conductor/composer.

Get over it, detractors. Steve mattered. He mattered a lot.
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Responding to unflattering comments made about him in Apple co-founder Steve Jobs's new biography, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said he's not bothered by the remarks.

Between the two of them, Gates has always been the "bigger man".
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What did you expect him to say? I think Bill took the high road on this one. If he acted even the least bit defensive, Apple-centric sites (and their readership) would rip him a new one for being callous in the wake of Jobs' death.

They are going to regardless. Although I do understand why Jobs felt slighted by the chaps at Microsoft, and more recently Google, the fact that his insults to Gates et al. keep coming up makes it seem as if he never moved on. They seemed to get on quite well at All Things D those years back.
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strewth, give the guy a break, jobs is dead, no need to be insulting about his appearance

I think he meant Bill...
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Between the two of them, Gates has always been the "bigger man".

Gates is unemotional and practical. Nothing wrong with that either. Still, he must accept the blame for hiring Ballmer.

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post #19 of 88
Deep down, Bill Gates knew there was a lot of truth to what steve jobs said. He knew that with all each other's faults there was a mutual respect for one another. And steve probably already told him to his face, what was in the book.
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Agreed, the way Gates seems to handle things between the two of them, he definitely understood social norms much better than Steve did.

Very classy, and I'm definitely a fan of post-MS Bill Gates. Impressive human.
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Gates is forever condemned to existing in a world filled with creativity, song, dance, photography, cinematography, acting, graphics, grace, emotion, love and the exquisite rhythms of art, while counting his money, attending to technicalities, and keeping his namesakes.

How satisfying that must feel, to him.
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Gates is forever condemned to existing in a world filled with creativity, song, dance, photography, cinematography, acting, graphics, grace, emotion, love and the exquisite rhythms of art, while counting his money, attending to technicalities, and keeping his namesakes.

How satisfying that must feel, to him.

Huh ? Bill gates is doing bigger things like saving lives , curing diseases, and spreading knowledge.

His foundation donates to poor libraries to help bring in tech and internet. People cantcreate things like art or graphics of they dont have the rescources to do it or are dying from a disease.
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Huh ? Bill gates is doing bigger things like saving lives , curing diseases, and spreading knowledge.

His foundation donates to poor libraries to help bring in tech and internet. People cantcreate things like art or graphics of they dont have the rescources to do it or are dying from a disease.

Here Here!! I second that...
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It is easy when you get paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year in dividends.

Yeah because Bill needs that extra money. He is worth something like 55 billion. He, his kids, their kids, the grand kids and a few more generations can pretty much sit around for the next 200 years and do nothing if they want.
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Do great conductors matter? All the players in a symphony orchestra actually make the music, don't they. I could stand in front of them and be the human metronome, right? And the Berlin Philharmonic would sound just as good under my baton as any other fool, right?

I assume that was meant to be rhetorical. Of course great conductors matter.
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reading the biography has given me even more reason to despise bill gates and that empire of sh*t that is MS...
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Wait a minute.... did Jobs invent or design anything at Apple? I thought he had inventors and designers to do that, and then bought lots of startups and companies to incorporate their ideas into his product line.... kind of like Microsoft did....

Steve had 313 patents with his name on them;

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...tridge_D312077

Now... Granted, he had small armies to design and develop the "inventions" but the patents speak for them selves... I think. Even if his name is on some that were just developed at Apple... Many are still his.

Did Bill Gates invent anything? I'm sure he as a number of patents with his name on them too... So to be fair... The both did actually invent things.
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What did you expect him to say? I think Bill took the high road on this one. If he acted even the least bit defensive, Apple-centric sites (and their readership) would rip him a new one for being callous in the wake of Jobs' death.

Agreed.
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Agreed, the way Gates seems to handle things between the two of them, he definitely understood social norms much better than Steve did.

Very classy, and I'm definitely a fan of post-MS Bill Gates. Impressive human.

'classy'? you have to read all of the comments made by Gates in the jobs bio. he truly did not 'get it' and am amazed at how stupid most of his thoughts about NeXT and Apple were.
no class at all.
i am not a fan of BG and never will be.
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Between the two of them, Gates has always been the "bigger man".

if what is reported in the Jobs bio is true. then what you say is absolutely false.
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'classy'? you have to read all of the comments made by Gates in the jobs bio. he truly did not 'get it' and am amazed at how stupid most of his thoughts about NeXT and Apple were.
no class at all.
i am not a fan of BG and never will be.

How long ago were those particular comments made? Are you condemning him over comments made 15+ years ago?
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If anyone takes the time to watch the entire interview, you'll see that Gates is exceptionally gracious about the whole thing.

of course. he has a 'camera' on him. same with the google guys and the 'oh i loved steve' crap. the 'public' see one side and it rarely is the truth. its all just bullsh*t politics for the masses to see.
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"Jobs asserted that Gates was a "basically unimaginative" person who "never invented anything... He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

Upon hearing those comments, Gates spoke with ABC's This Week, and said, Yup. That's about right."



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None of those products would exist without Steve Jobs.

While he did not personally sit down in a chair, design, build, test, and produce the iPad, for example, he played an integral role in making the iPad what it is today. Same goes for the iPhone, the Mac, digital music, and plenty of other things. It is easy enough to sit back and attempt to diminish his accomplishments by saying 'Really, did he invent anything?' but the fact is, he is the reason why so much has been inventedhe has contributed so much to the aesthetic, ease-of-use, and functionality of technology as it is todayand that's quite amazing. His contribution can be commended as surely as Henry Ford's to the automobile.

Digital Music? Digital Music existed for many years before Apple got into that game

And you might want to rethink your list, there was a lot of people that invented a lot of stuff that Jobs used as a basis for "his" inventions
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I assume that was meant to be rhetorical. Of course great conductors matter.

Yes, that was the point of my analogy. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Critics of Jobs seem to think that his role as conductor somehow diminishes the magnitude of his contribution. A position that I dispute.
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post #36 of 88
Bill Gates did something no one else did. He designed a flawed product that made him billions. Windows is a service tech support industry product. It needs the PC shops to help it along. There are billions of customers out there who are not able to fix windows so they take it to a shop to remove viruses and fix dll issues. Windows is a money maker. Apple is also a money maker but Apple's products don't depend on the support industry to keep them going.

As for Bill Gates and his comments in this thread. Really who cares. I would rather talk about the tech side of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs's companies.
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post #37 of 88
Depending on which of these 2 sites you believe, Bill Gates has 9 or 54 patents w/his name and Steve Jobs has 313.



http://articles.businessinsider.com/...ers-bill-gates

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/res...&search=Search
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For all the things he did as part of Microsoft that I don't agree with, Bill Gates in his later years has grown into one heck of a human being.

Let's be real...

The fact is MELINDA Gates woke that $&@# up and inspired him to do what he does. We will never know what he would have done without her.
post #39 of 88
Gates worked with Jobs on and off for over 30 years. To spend that much time with Steve you need to be good at letting some of the things he says just bounce off you.

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post #40 of 88
Well, he couldn't really deny it as they were basically truthful statements.

Microsoft has always been about generic products in large numbers, an amalgam of blandness designed to cater to everyone, doing just enough to achieve that.

Much like the road Google is following with Android.

Apple appeals to those who don't want to settle for generic imitators, they demand and get a premium for leading the "almost as good" wannabes.

That leadership and attention to detail is down to S Jobs, the one with the vision and determination to bring it all together.

I fail to understand how some people

just

don't

get

it!
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