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post #41 of 99
I got it, it sucks. It been almost month and my library is still not finished uploading. As a matter of fact, I'd like my money back.
post #42 of 99
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Dunno what is a minor gripe and what is a relevant point. But several other posters have listed some things which seem like problems of execution to me.

Could be that they happened DESPITE Cook's unrivaled expertise. There's really no way to know.

But I've never really understood how Cook got his reputation WRT execution.

No, you clearly don't. Why not go research it then?

How do you think Apple's supply chain got working so well?
Who do you think had the foresight to secure supplies of flash RAM for all of Apple's devices?
post #43 of 99
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Dunno what is a minor gripe and what is a relevant point. But several other posters have listed some things which seem like problems of execution to me.

Could be that they happened DESPITE Cook's unrivaled expertise. There's really no way to know.

But I've never really understood how Cook got his reputation WRT execution.

I can't imagine SJ thinking so highly of him and his abilities if it wasn't true. He surrounded himself with nothing but "A" players.
post #44 of 99
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Originally Posted by Funky Chicken View Post

Please excuse my ignorance on how iTunes Match works exactly.

As I understand it, iTunes Match looks through your iTunes library and matches the songs you have with songs already in iCloud. So for example, your have Michael Jackson's "Beat It" in your library and iTunes Match make that available in iCloud for you.

My question is: how does it prevent people from creating 'fake' audio tracks in their iTunes libraries by calling a bogus audio track "Beat It" (artist name: Michael Jackson) and tricking iTunes Match into thinking that you actually have and own "Beat It"??

Did that even make sense??

Yes, that's a good question. And I suspect I can answer the question with another question:

How does the Shazam app know what song is on the radio when you hold your iPhone up to it?
post #45 of 99
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post



While I don't doubt you had some problems with yours, my iPad was fine and so were all the other ones my friends and family bought. Or are you referring to iPad 2.

iPad2 - what else? iPad 1 had no such issue.
post #46 of 99
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And I had to return my PBG4 because some keys fell off. Then, I had to return my late '08 MBP because it had a screen flicker at the 2 or 3 lowest brightness settings. Big deal. Your bad iPad proves nothing about Cook.

Poor reply- has nothing to do with manufacturing. iPad 2 screens were not vented properly- pure Cooks fault.
post #47 of 99
OK. I did a little searching and found some things about ITM that are a little disappointing.

1. ALL music in your library is automatically included in the match. If iTunes identifies it correctly it associates it with a 256k version already stored on Apple's servers. If not, it copies the file as it is to the cloud (I imagine that would be true even of lossless). It appears that for many developers it is only matching a small percentage of their libraries. but again, if it is in your library it gets added, one way or the other.

2. There is no way to delete from the cloud. Example: I have the spooky halloween sounds tracks in my library so that I can burn a CD. I forgot to delete it before scanning. Now it is in my cloud library forever. (this might change, but that's how it is now)

3. Combining 1 and 2 gives you some crappy experiences. Example: I have an album that is on the iTunes store, but I have it tagged wrong so it doesn't get matched. That means my version gets copied. I fix the tags and rescan. Now it matches, but doesn't delete my old one, so now I have the album listed twice. And I can't tell which is which until I download it.

Looking around the Internet I see that there are still LOTS of issues where things either aren't working right, or the design at present is frustrating users. So, I'm guessing that Apple got lots of feedback from developers who don't like some things about the service in addition to bugs. I may actually hold off now seeing how it is implemented.
post #48 of 99
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Originally Posted by Nobodyy View Post

I'm going to go ahead and give Apple a little exemption here: launching an Internet service that is as intensive as iCloud to millions of iOS users is very very hard to do perfectly. If you have any background in programming or server management you would understand. And compared to how badly it could have gone, iCloud went great and it boggles my mind how Apple was able to do such a thing.

Gasp! You and your "rational thinking"

post #49 of 99
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Originally Posted by rwindmann View Post

I got it, it sucks. It been almost month and my library is still not finished uploading. As a matter of fact, I'd like my money back.

Um.... it's called a BETA for a reason....
post #50 of 99
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

iPad2 - what else? iPad 1 had no such issue.

This really doesn't prove anything, but I'm holding an iPad 2 in my hand with a dark image being displayed and I looks perfectly fine to me. There might be the faintest hint of a little bleeding along the left edge, but I'm talking really faint. I had to turn the lights off in my office to make it pitch black (no windows) just to begin to be able to see it.
post #51 of 99
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Poor reply- has nothing to do with manufacturing. iPad 2 screens were not vented properly- pure Cooks fault.

Poor reply? How is my flickering back-light not a manufacturing problem? It was either faulty from the supplier (manufacturing problem), something happened in assembly (manufacturing problem) or there was a problem with the dimming circuit. The iPad 2 screen sounds like LG's fault. Why do you have such a hard-on for Cook anyway?
post #52 of 99
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

Yes, that's a good question. And I suspect I can answer the question with another question:

How does the Shazam app know what song is on the radio when you hold your iPhone up to it?

That doesn't quite answer it though. What's to prevent you from saving the 30'' preview from Amazon or iTunes, looping it so that the song duration matches (+/- 1 sec), re-sampling to 44.1 KHz, compressing at 128kbps, and updating the album info in the MP3 tags from an internet database (all of this via a script, of course).

Oh, I know: because it would be easier (and just as illegal) to torrent the mp3s.
post #53 of 99
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Originally Posted by rwindmann View Post

I got it, it sucks. It been almost month and my library is still not finished uploading. As a matter of fact, I'd like my money back.

Yeah, believable. First, if you have it? You are a developer, correct? Or, at minimum, signed up to be considered an Apple Developer. In which case you (1) are griping about non released, test level software/services that (2) not only did you not pay extra for, but, if I remember correctly, are being given a free amount of time (I can't remember exactly) with the service following launch, correct?

Sounds like a good deal to me.

I've said it before, and I will say it again...

I have not had any experience with iTunes Match yet, and am looking forward to it, but...

I'm not sure I would jump to any conclusions while a brand new service was in beta and only available to developers. I would also bet that the first month or two will be a bit less than perfect. There is limited testing that can be done to simulate real world demands.

When I got the first seed of Lion, it was slow, many of the great/magical new features were so painful to use that I didn't use them, etc.

That is what testing is for. As someone with advance access to new features, I would assume you understood that.

You, of course, have valid issues. Have you documented them and filed them with Apple?


And I will add, If you haven't documented these issues and filed them with Apple, why not? you found the time to come here and tell us your opinion of the service.
post #54 of 99
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

No, you clearly don't. Why not go research it then?

How do you think Apple's supply chain got working so well?
Who do you think had the foresight to secure supplies of flash RAM for all of Apple's devices?

Supply chain management, yes. Cook deserves huge amounts of respect for that.

But execution? That's my question.
post #55 of 99
If one of your best friends was at home not likely to make it through the night because he was dying of terminal cancer, you might not be in great spirits either.

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Lousy keynote
post #56 of 99
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Dunno what is a minor gripe and what is a relevant point. But several other posters have listed some things which seem like problems of execution to me.

Could be that they happened DESPITE Cook's unrivaled expertise. There's really no way to know.

But I've never really understood how Cook got his reputation WRT execution.

A gripe is that a launch was a few days late, that an iPad doesn't work, etc. I think you know.

By your previous comment you give the impression you know what you are talking about - i.e., what it is Tim Cook does and exactly why he is so highly regarded. Surely you didn't question his ability because of a faulty Pad and crappy keyboard?

A brief summary;
"Mr. Timothy D. Cook, Tim has been the Chief Executive Officer of Apple Inc. (formerly known as Apple Computer Inc.) since August 24, 2011. Prior to that, Mr. Cook served as Chief Operating Officer of Apple Inc. from October 14, 2005 to August 24, 2011. Mr. Cook served as the Head of Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships. He served as an Executive Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Operations of Apple Computer Inc. from 2002 to 2005. He joined Apple Computer Inc. in 1998, as Senior Vice President of worldwide operations. Prior to that, Mr. Cook served as Vice President of Corporate Materials for Compaq Computer Corporation ('Compaq') from 1997 to 1998 and was responsible for procuring and managing its product inventory. Previous to his work at Compaq Computer Corporation, he served as Chief Operating Officer of the Reseller Division of Intelligent Electronics. Mr. Cook also spent 12 years with IBM, served as Director of North American Fulfillment, where he led manufacturing and distribution functions for IBM's Personal Computer Company in North and Latin America. Mr. Cook has been a Director of Apple Inc. since August 24, 2011. He has been a Director of Nike Inc. since November 2005. Mr. Cook studied an MBA from Duke University, where he was a Fuqua Scholar and a Bachelor of Science Degree in Industrial Engineering from Auburn University."

And an easy to find link to Wikipedia
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post #58 of 99
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Why the Philippines?

Why not, say, Detroit?

Because Detroit has an outstanding art/design school:

http://www.collegeforcreativestudies.edu/
post #59 of 99
The troll score so far

Out of 55 posts, 33 are from the regular professional trolls or from people making useless replies to trolls. (You repliers should have figured it out by now. And I'm not counting DrDoppio who has been chopping at them with some wit.)

The nonissue of Tim Cook's competence is answered in the AI story today about bringing the iPhone 4S to 15 more countries, including Hong Kong. There has never been such a rollout of an expensive life-changing computer product in the history of the world. That's Tim Cook in action.

And I really liked his keynote, before I knew of Steve's condition. He wasted not a single word, all bombshells about fabulous sales figures and prospects and "momentum," spaced by pregnant pauses so each piece of amazement could sink in. To ordinary, receptive, reasonable minds, that is, not to the haters that we hear from here on AI.

Interestingly, in the thread about the good-news story about 15 new countries, there is nothing from iKol and ComradeJoe. Yet. Get over there and get busy guys, surely you can find something negative to say.
post #60 of 99
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

The troll score so far

Out of 55 posts, 33 are from the regular professional trolls or from useless replies to trolls. (You repliers should have figured it out by now. And I'm not counting DrDoppio who has been chopping at them with some wit.)

Point taken. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

"The trolls, they are a trollin"
post #61 of 99
There ya go assuming again. In order to take part in the free beta, you have to buy a year of the unreleased service. Sucks in beta, period. It's a service, yes. Will it work? Maybe some day. It's value? Debatable. Stellar, mind-numbing Apple offering? Nah.

I am glad Steve's not here to see this.

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Originally Posted by starbird View Post

Yeah, believable. First, if you have it? You are a developer, correct? Or, at minimum, signed up to be considered an Apple Developer. In which case you (1) are griping about non released, test level software/services that (2) not only did you not pay extra for, but, if I remember correctly, are being given a free amount of time (I can't remember exactly) with the service following launch, correct?

Sounds like a good deal to me.
post #62 of 99
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Point taken. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

"The trolls, they are a trollin"

I know, I'm on record as having dirtied my hands with their trash myself. I'm beginning think this is being tolerated by the mods because of hit count.
post #63 of 99
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Originally Posted by theoldcoot View Post

My suggestion to all you "chopping at the bit". Relax.

Chomping, not chopping. A reference to impatient horses...
post #64 of 99
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Chomping, not chopping. A reference to impatient horses...

Champing, actually... just saying...
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post #65 of 99
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I know, I'm on record as having dirtied my hands with their trash myself. I'm beginning think this is being tolerated by the mods because of hit count.

Hmmmmm... you must have a great mind!

That idea crossed my thoughts yesterday...
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post #66 of 99
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Hmmmmm... you must have a great mind!

That idea crossed my thoughts yesterday...

Ha!

Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep . . .
post #67 of 99
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

The troll score so far

Out of 55 posts, 33 are from the regular professional trolls or from people making useless replies to trolls. (You repliers should have figured it out by now. And I'm not counting DrDoppio who has been chopping at them with some wit.)
...

Thanks, I appreciate the honorary mention.
post #68 of 99
As the question of Tim Cook came up (above) I looked and found this. Interesting read about the man.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/09/tech...tune/index.htm
post #69 of 99
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

White iPhone 4 delay
Delayed iPads for months
Bleeding iPad screens of death
Lousy keynote
Lost the head of retail operations

F*ck it, it's worth the ban.

YOU SIR, ARE A F*CKING TROLLING C*NT.
post #70 of 99
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Originally Posted by nunyabinez View Post

OK. I did a little searching and found some things about ITM that are a little disappointing.

1. ALL music in your library is automatically included in the match. If iTunes identifies it correctly it associates it with a 256k version already stored on Apple's servers. If not, it copies the file as it is to the cloud (I imagine that would be true even of lossless). It appears that for many developers it is only matching a small percentage of their libraries. but again, if it is in your library it gets added, one way or the other.

Yes, matches are made even if tracks are lossless. Are you suggesting this a problem because you're dissatisfied with having access to only 256K versions on your iDevices? (The full version is still in your iTunes master library and you can also choose not to use iTunes Match for syncing music to iDevices on an individual basis).

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2. There is no way to delete from the cloud. Example: I have the spooky halloween sounds tracks in my library so that I can burn a CD. I forgot to delete it before scanning. Now it is in my cloud library forever. (this might change, but that's how it is now)

After deleting the songs, if you toggled off/on iTunes Match for your master library and iDevices and the song remains in the iCloud, then this looks like a bug.

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3. Combining 1 and 2 gives you some crappy experiences. Example: I have an album that is on the iTunes store, but I have it tagged wrong so it doesn't get matched. That means my version gets copied. I fix the tags and rescan. Now it matches, but doesn't delete my old one, so now I have the album listed twice. And I can't tell which is which until I download it.

See response to (2) above.
post #71 of 99
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

Yes, matches are made even if tracks are lossless. Are you suggesting this a problem because you're dissatisfied with having access to only 256K versions on your iDevices? (The full version is still in your iTunes master library and you can also choose not to use iTunes Match for syncing music to iDevices on an individual basis).

Actually, it was the opposite I was concerned about. If I had a Lossless file that match could not find because it was tagged wrong which then caused me to have to upload the lossless file. If match finds the songs, then no bandwidth or time is used, but if not, then I end up uploading a lossless file to the cloud then then have to download it to my device. And I don't really want lossless on my iPhone or iPod.

I like the general idea of match, because on my main machine I have most of my music in lossless. but on my MBP, iPhone, and iPod it is all 256k AAC. So, it works for me, I'm just concerned that the service will not match my lossless albums and I'll end up with giant amounts of data going back and forth because of it. Simply adding a checkbox for matching would be all I need, or allowing deletion from the could, but at this point, that does not appear to exist.
post #72 of 99
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Originally Posted by shompa View Post

MobileMe was just a minor upgrade to .mac

Apple are not good at this. iCloud have many of the same problems that MobileMe haves. The problem is that the management without Steve accept non perfect products.

Iphone4S: Battery time 1/4 of the old iPhone4. I get a bit over 3 hours when using WiFi

OSX 10.7 is the worst OSX version. The memory leaks are ridiculous.

Apples arrogance: I have a MacPro 1.1 with upgraded CPUs. Have worked every single OS, except 10.7. Apple have decided that people who upgrade their machines have "non supported CPUs". Somehow this worked with 10.4-5-6.

iCloud. I have about 10 devices that sync. I have exact the same problem I had with MobileMe. iCloud can't manage to decide witch device that have the latest Bookmarks. So iCloud ads the same bookmarks to Safari. 10x with the same bookmarks. The fun thing is that Safari uses 100% CPU time when it sync. I try to delete the added bookmarks as fast as I can, but as soon I power on another iOS device, so syncs those bookmarks out.

Every product you mentioned was created while Steve Jobs was CEO. He wasn't a perfect batter but he hit a lot of grand slams.

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post #73 of 99
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Originally Posted by shompa View Post

MobileMe was just a minor upgrade to .mac

Apple are not good at this. iCloud have many of the same problems that MobileMe haves. The problem is that the management without Steve accept non perfect products.

Iphone4S: Battery time 1/4 of the old iPhone4. I get a bit over 3 hours when using WiFi

OSX 10.7 is the worst OSX version. The memory leaks are ridiculous.

Apples arrogance: I have a MacPro 1.1 with upgraded CPUs. Have worked every single OS, except 10.7. Apple have decided that people who upgrade their machines have "non supported CPUs". Somehow this worked with 10.4-5-6.

iCloud. I have about 10 devices that sync. I have exact the same problem I had with MobileMe. iCloud can't manage to decide witch device that have the latest Bookmarks. So iCloud ads the same bookmarks to Safari. 10x with the same bookmarks. The fun thing is that Safari uses 100% CPU time when it sync. I try to delete the added bookmarks as fast as I can, but as soon I power on another iOS device, so syncs those bookmarks out.

For all those problems and you still buy Apple. Sounds like you should go Wintel Samsung.
post #74 of 99
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Interestingly, in the thread about the good-news story about 15 new countries, there is nothing from iKol and ComradeJoe. Yet. Get over there and get busy guys, surely you can find something negative to say.

For every iKol there's a Tallest Skil.... It all evens out in the wash. I just cut the fat and read the meat.

I can't wait for iTunes match. iCloud has been great so far for me- a few bugs, but expected.

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post #75 of 99
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

. . . it's worth the ban . . .

My sentiments exactly. If they ban you, I'm next.
post #76 of 99
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

For every iKol there's a Tallest Skil.... It all evens out in the wash. I just cut the fat and read the meat.

I can't wait for iTunes match. iCloud has been great so far for me- a few bugs, but expected.

Thanks, you are right, but the fat content has gotten much thicker lately.

Apple's ascendancy has whoever's behind this new campaign more determined to totally wreck the only decent, halfway sane Apple news forum. I know, I take it too seriously, but it's a shame and a disgrace.
post #77 of 99
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

If one of your best friends was at home not likely to make it through the night because he was dying of terminal cancer, you might not be in great spirits either.

He a terrible speaker- go look up his eulogy to Steve Jobs. Absolutely zero charisma- needs to take a crash course in public speaking immediately.
He makes Jony Ive's speech sound like Winston Churchill.
post #78 of 99
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

Thanks, you are right, but the fat content has gotten much thicker lately.

Apple's ascendancy has whoever's behind this new campaign more determined to totally wreck the only decent, halfway sane Apple news forum. I know, I take it too seriously, but it's a shame and a disgrace.

You take yourself much too seriously. The only reason things were civil around here the last month was because 3 out of every 4 threads dealt with Steve Jobs' death and were commented on accordingly out of respect. Move on.
post #79 of 99
The "Ignore List" in the "User Control Panel" does wonders for me.
When someone writes 3 or 4 unreasonable posts I just add them to the list. It seems like within a few weeks of someone making my list, they disappear anyway. I suppose all the trolls are the same 3 or 4 people getting new usernames when nobody answers them.

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The troll score so far

Out of 55 posts, 33 are from the regular professional trolls or from people making useless replies to trolls. (You repliers should have figured it out by now. And I'm not counting DrDoppio who has been chopping at them with some wit.)

The nonissue of Tim Cook's competence is answered in the AI story today about bringing the iPhone 4S to 15 more countries, including Hong Kong. There has never been such a rollout of an expensive life-changing computer product in the history of the world. That's Tim Cook in action.

And I really liked his keynote, before I knew of Steve's condition. He wasted not a single word, all bombshells about fabulous sales figures and prospects and "momentum," spaced by pregnant pauses so each piece of amazement could sink in. To ordinary, receptive, reasonable minds, that is, not to the haters that we hear from here on AI.

Interestingly, in the thread about the good-news story about 15 new countries, there is nothing from iKol and ComradeJoe. Yet. Get over there and get busy guys, surely you can find something negative to say.
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Champing, actually... just saying...

Either spelling is correct, actually . . . just saying . . .
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