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Taiwan smartphone maker HTC reported record sales of 13.2 million units worldwide, including 5.7 million in the US, prompting market research group Canalys to name it the top selling vendor in the country.

Canalys' report on the smartphone market for Q3 also named Samsung the worldwide leader in smartphones with shipments of 27.3 million globally, 4.9 million of which were sold in the US.

Apple's global sales of 17.07 million iPhones included US sales of 4.6 million handsets, placing it third in US smartphones.

However, throughout the third calendar quarter Apple continued to sell its year old iPhone 4 and two year old iPhone 3GS. The company reported that iPhone sales had declined across the quarter as buyers began to anticipate a new model introduction, although chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer said he was "pleased" with the 21 percent growth in iPhone sales over the year ago quarter, when iPhone 4 was relatively new.

Looking forward, Apple's chief executive Tim Cook said "I'm confident that we will set an all-time record for iPhones this quarter," and Canalys noted pent up demand for the iPhone 4S, adding, "we expect to see a strong Q4 for Apple."

HTC, on the other hand, has warned that its Q4 sales will actually contract, offering guidance indicating that its smartphone sales will drop to between 12 and 13 million. For Q3, HTC had provided guidance of 13.5 million units, outlook that had appeared to be conservative but which the company narrowly missed.

HTC's chief financial officer Winston Yung blamed his company's weak outlook for the winter on the very competitive environment, specifically noting Apple's iPhone. For the first time ever, Apple's iPhone will be sold on three of the top four US carriers, in addition to new regional carriers.

Previously, Android phones have faced no direct competition from Apple on Sprint's network, and only began to be challenged by the iPhone on Verizon Wireless this spring.
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Of course Apple will set an all time record this quarter per Cook- this is the longest time we've ever had to wait to get a new iPhone!
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It always amazes me that whenever I see smart phones out and about, I see more iPhones than anything else. Certainly more that those of any single other maker. Must be a function of where I live--SoCal, fairly affluent and very trendy. Maybe when I travel to the midwest next summer I'll see it crawling with HTCs.
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It always amazes me that whenever I see smart phones out and about, I see more iPhones than anything else. Certainly more that those of any single other maker. Must be a function of where I live--SoCal, fairly affluent and very trendy. Maybe when I travel to the midwest next summer I'll see it crawling with HTCs.

Traveling on a cruise ship this summer, I saw many, many iPhone 4's both on the boat and in Italy, Greece and Israel. More so the iPhone than any other brand.
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While I'm certain Samsung's worldwide smartphone sales were higher than Apple's in the previous quarter, with 4.9 million shipments for Samsung compared to 4.6 million sales for Apple in the US tells me that Apple had a higher sell through than Samsung as I'm sure they had more than 300k units in channel.
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Traveling on a cruise ship this summer, I saw many, many iPhone 4's both on the boat and in Italy, Greece and Israel. More so the iPhone than any other brand.

Only the elite can afford to take cruise ships. That would explain your answer.
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I see the swelling of smart phones sales as being healthy. Weather Apple is on top all the time is not so important to me. I see the competition as being healthier. I love to see the constant rise of new hardware bringing on new sales and new technology. Its good for business and good for the companies.
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I bet this is because of the "delay" in the release of iPhone4S.

I am glad HTC has something to crow about - they shipped more phones in the quarter that Apple was releasing new phone

How nice for HTC.
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HTC must be hoping Apple will announce many new products so HTC can look good in the quarter before the new Apple products are released.
I would like to see all these sales reports broken down by profit as well as count. And then there is the ongoing problem of actual sales versus just shipped.
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Withdrawn - that article definitely buried the lead.
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It always amazes me that whenever I see smart phones out and about, I see more iPhones than anything else. Certainly more that those of any single other maker. Must be a function of where I live--SoCal, fairly affluent and very trendy. Maybe when I travel to the midwest next summer I'll see it crawling with HTCs.

Samsung seems to be way popular here. I see a few HTCs too.
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Traveling on a cruise ship this summer, I saw many, many iPhone 4's both on the boat and in Italy, Greece and Israel. More so the iPhone than any other brand.

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Only the elite can afford to take cruise ships. That would explain your answer.

Riding into work on the train this morning I saw many, many more iPhone's than any other brand.
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Traveling on a cruise ship this summer, I saw many, many iPhone 4's both on the boat and in Italy, Greece and Israel. More so the iPhone than any other brand.

Well, that was also true in NYC. I remember a couple of years back, everyone had either iPods or iPhones on their commute back home. Now, I'm the only one with my iPhone (iphone 4).
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I would like to see all these sales reports broken down by profit as well as count. And then there is the ongoing problem of actual sales versus just shipped.

Not only that, but Apple has only one phone! How many phones does HTC sell? That's not fair.
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Only the elite can afford to take cruise ships. That would explain your answer.

Generally, the demographics skew towards the elderly. Grandma loves her iPhone.
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Not only that, but Apple has only one phone! How many phones does HTC sell? That's not fair.

Explain how that's not fair. It's actually perfectly fair. That's the business model that Apple decided to have.

As far as shipped vs sold. They're almost always close to the same amounts. Stores anticipate the demand of each phone, sell their current stock, and then restock regularly in smaller amounts after that. It's not like a store purchases 1000 units of a random HTC phone and sells only 100 ever.

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These "mine is bigger than your's" reports are getting ridiculous. First, is it sales or shipments? Second, Apple sold over 4 MILLION iPhone 4Gs' in the first weekend. No story here...
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Only the elite can afford to take cruise ships. That would explain your answer.

What an idiot! There are many bargains on cruise ships, just like any other type of vacation.
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... That's not fair.

rotflmao!
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Of course Apple will set an all time record this quarter per Cook- this is the longest time we've ever had to wait to get a new iPhone!
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Generally, the demographics skew towards the elderly. Grandma loves her iPhone.

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rotflmao!

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Only the elite can afford to take cruise ships. That would explain your answer.

Have you actually checked the prices of Cruises lately? Sometimes they are cheaper than staying home!
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Withdrawn - that article definitely buried the lead.

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Correction: Apparently it can be spelled both ways. I've only ever seen it spelled 'lede'. Something new learned, I suppose.
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Have you actually checked the prices of Cruises lately? Sometimes they are cheaper than staying home!

Definitely cheaper per day than a vacation at a cheap hotel and 3 meals out. Add in the entertainment and the ports of call and you have a nice getaway for a low price. Of course, the cruise lines expect people to buy alcohol, gamble, and get other services, like the spa, but if you can avoid those it's pretty inexpensive. I'm a frequent cruiser. You can tell because I'll drop off this forum for 5 to 7 days.
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Generally, the demographics skew towards the elderly. Grandma loves her iPhone.

Now you are just being a troll. I'm 25 and I love my iPhone.

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Now you are just being a troll.

Nah, Techstud has been trolling these parts for years. The bitterness...
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Generally, the demographics skew towards the elderly. Grandma loves her iPhone.

As some one who actually worked at a AAA in their travel agency, you're batting your average with this statement.
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I see the swelling of smart phones sales as being healthy. Weather Apple is on top all the time is not so important to me. I see the competition as being healthier. I love to see the constant rise of new hardware bringing on new sales and new technology. Its good for business and good for the companies.

I agree. Particularly the cheaper smart phones sales are good for everyone, including apple. I know at least 14 people who got an entry level smart phone (their first smart phone) in the last 12 months, virtually all android devices. Now they have the taste for them, most are thinking of upgrading to a top of the range phone. Some are sticking with android, others are going to get an iPhone and others are undecided. I know that four are definately getting an iPhone in the next couple of months.

For these people, the value of a smart phone was not obvious enough to spend 500 to 600 euro on a phone, but getting one for 200 to 350 euro was an option. Now they want something more.

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Riding into work on the train this morning I saw many, many more iPhone's than any other brand.

This type of comment is quite common here. I see many more iPhones. I wish that judges would read this. Picking an iPhone from a Samsaung Galaxy phone is easy, even at a distance, for anyone with a bit of common sense.
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HTC must be hoping Apple will announce many new products so HTC can look good in the quarter before the new Apple products are released.
I would like to see all these sales reports broken down by profit as well as count. And then there is the ongoing problem of actual sales versus just shipped.

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I bet this is because of the "delay" in the release of iPhone4S.

I am glad HTC has something to crow about - they shipped more phones in the quarter that Apple was releasing new phone

How nice for HTC.

Say what you will, but HTC sold more smartphones than Apple in the US, and Samsung sold more worldwide. This was not the first transition quarter for Apple. But it was the first quarter in which two companies beat them in sales. We can chalk it up to the transition, or we can say, the real war on smartphones is beginning.
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Now you are just being a troll. I'm 25 and I love my iPhone.

The topic was the demographics of cruise participants. Several other posters commented on the same post I commented on. Each of them correctly identified the subject matter. As did I.


Do you have anything relevant to say about cruise ship demographics and how they might affect choice of gadgets?

Please can the insults. They are never relevant.



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Guys

Enough of the cruise ship talk. Let's get back on topic.


It sounds like HTC kind of blew their wad in Q3 while Apple is just getting started with a pretty fast rollout.


And grandmothers "do" love their iPhones along with everyone else.
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