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By the end of the month, Samsung plans to have depositions from a number of Apple designers, including senior vice president Jonathan Ive, in its ongoing patent infringement suit.

Ive and other designers were originally scheduled to provide their deposition by Nov. 1. But that deadline was extended last month when Samsung learned that the witnesses would be unavailable before that date.

Now, Ive and others are scheduled to provide their deposition by Dec. 1, as discovered by Edible Apple. The Apple employees' respective testimonies will be used as part of the expedited trial scheduled to begin July 30, 2012.

Others scheduled to take part in the depositions include Christopher Stringer, a designer who is among those credited with designing the first iPod, along with industrial designer Shin Nishibori. An ex-Apple employee, Doug Satzger, is also among those listed; Satzger worked at Apple for 12 years before he left in 2008.

But the biggest name on the list is Ive, Apple's widely praised design chief who shares credit with Apple co-founder Steve Jobs on more than 200 patented inventions. Ive was also a close friend of Jobs, and the late CEO left the designer with no true boss, putting him in a position with more power than anyone else at Apple.



Apple first sued Samsung in April, accusing its rival of copying the look and feel of its popular iPhone and iPad products, and Samsung quickly countersued. Though their legal battle began in the U.S., where the scheduled depositions will apply, the showdown has spread throughout the globe with numerous lawsuits. Apple has found the most initial success, winning bans on the sale of Samsung devices in Australia and Germany.
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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.
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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.

I've always felt that Apple has plans in that direction for its huge pile of cash. Maybe owning a fab plant wouldn't be that bad for Apple. It's definitely one direction where they could really grow the company.
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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.

They have nowhere to go. They are pretty much without any choice but to enrich Samsung.
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Apple has certainly invited attacks by going just a tad over the edge with their attempts to keep viable competitors out of the marketplace. Some good news today that might give Apple pause and perhaps slow the pace of legal filings.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011...t-against.html

(As an aside, this is the first anti-Apple article I've seen from Florian)

Apple filing criminal charges was waaayy over the top IMHO. Sometimes the little guy does get a break.
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They have nowhere to go. They are pretty much without any choice but to enrich Samsung.

TSMC, anyone?

(That's the right acronym, right?)

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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.

Apple should spend some of its 80 billion on Blackwater security and just invade south Korea and give it to North Korea.

North Korea is now more rational and innovative then Samsung.
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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.

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TSMC, anyone?

(That's the right acronym, right?)

I still believe that TSMC will produce A6 since Apple have taped out a design at them.

The problem is displays, flash memory and other components that Apple buys from Samsung. Many of these factories have been funded by Apple. (For example the 1 billion pre payment for flash memory in 2005).

This is how huge Samsung's betrayal is.
Apple is their largest customer with 8-10 billion of sales. About 7-9% of Samsung's revenue. Is it enough for Samsung? No. They use their knowledge of Apple parts for tablets/phones and make almost identical products with Android.

This will always be a problem as long as companies outsource components to OEM's. The OEM's gets the design and can make their own version of the products.
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Who do these Samsung idiots think they are? They want the iPhone source code, they want to interview anyone who has a hand at Apple's helm. What next. Why don't we just save time and hand over the keys to the kingdom to these __________. (Fill in colourful metaphor).

Time to put an end to Sammy's antics!!!
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Samsung just appears to be grabbing at straws here. Are they going to try to get Apple Designers to say they stole designs before Samsung stole them. Not sure of the point of this. And the Source code... not a chance.

Also, I don't believe Apple is going "over the edge" trying to protect their look and developments, but yes, they aren't being as amicable as Microsoft is. Given Microsoft is not making money on their Mobile OS and make more money licensing tech to Android builders. If Microsoft was in Apple's position they would do the same.
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I've always felt that Apple has plans in that direction for its huge pile of cash. Maybe owning a fab plant wouldn't be that bad for Apple. It's definitely one direction where they could really grow the company.

I've got to admit that from where I'm sitting for Apple to take control of its own chip manufacturing seems like a good way to go. But then there is the issue of screens and memory. Getting out of manufacturing and reducing inventory was one of Tim Cook's babies. It saved Apple shedloads of money. I am not sure Apple wants to get back into manufacturing.
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I've got to admit that from where I'm sitting for Apple to take control of its own chip manufacturing seems like a good way to go. But then there is the issue of screens and memory. Getting out of manufacturing and reducing inventory was one of Tim Cook's babies. It saved Apple shedloads of money. I am not sure Apple wants to get back into manufacturing.

You're most likely right. Having its own fab plant might seem like a good option in some respects but we are talking about Tim Cook... and there is no bloody way in hell that he will ever involve Apple in manufacturing.
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Apple has certainly invited attacks by going just a tad over the edge with their attempts to keep viable competitors out of the marketplace.

Apple is not attempting to keep viable competitors out of the market.
They are attempting to keep other from releasing iPads.
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Apple filing criminal charges was waaayy over the top

Apple cannot file criminal charges. That is up to the district attorney/justice department.
Apple can complain to authorities and the authorities may file charges.
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Samsung doesn't need Apple. Apple doesn't need Samsung. They should part ways. Both are large enough companies as it is.
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Apple is not attempting to keep viable competitors out of the market.
They are attempting to keep other from releasing iPads.

Apple cannot file criminal charges. That is up to the district attorney/justice department.
Apple can complain to authorities and the authorities may file charges.

According to FOSSPatents Florian Mueller, Apple filed a criminal complaint, in addition to the civil one.

Do you think attempting to get criminal charges lodged was out-of-bounds or a proper move by Apple?
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Steve Jobs would use every single cash reserve to sue Android. Why not just get away from Samsung all together?
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Apple CAN'T compete. They just run ahead of the pack. They get scared when competition comes (weird, as it's capitalism that got them to where they are). Don't people get that Apple has been more irreleveant in it's history than relevant? Only in the past 10 years (one could argue even a little less) have they become a viable company. Don't go knocking eggs. With the death of your leader you stand the true test.

Just like the Romans.
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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.


Methinks that has always been part of the long term plan.
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....This will always be a problem as long as companies outsource components to OEM's. The OEM's gets the design and can make their own version of the products.

Exactly. First to market does not a long term winner always make.

But first to market AND market share is a winning formula (think iPod).
So, in I think in a sense, IMO, Apple is protecting Market share more than design... just a thought.
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Ive was also a close friend of Jobs, and the late CEO left the designer with no true boss, putting him in a position with more power than anyone else at Apple.

Sorry, but that is an absurd statement. At minimum Ive is subject to the control of the board, just like Cook. So he is not the most powerful; he has at least one peer.

And I would be extremely surprised if Cook could not fire him, although he may need permission from the board or the COB, but that is not unusual for very high-level employees.

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All this straw grasping seems very desperate on Samsung's part.


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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.

Samsung and Apple are large enough to shake hands whilst punching it out. Though it does look like Apple is moving away from Samsung in many areas though I'm sure they will move back soon enough.
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Apple has certainly invited attacks by going just a tad over the edge with their attempts to keep viable competitors out of the marketplace.

If that is what you think then you don't understand out trademark and trade dress laws work.

Or that Apple doesn't mind competition, so long as they are playing fair.

Oh and don't be shocked if Apple is already filing motions to prevent questions about upcoming products and even motions calling pretty much everyone other than Ive totally irrelevant and getting those deposition requests dismissed as harassment.

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Apple CAN'T compete. They just run ahead of the pack. They get scared when competition comes (weird, as it's capitalism that got them to where they are). Don't people get that Apple has been more irreleveant in it's history than relevant? Only in the past 10 years (one could argue even a little less) have they become a viable company. Don't go knocking eggs. With the death of your leader you stand the true test.

Just like the Romans.

'Scared', pa-shah. Apple is behaving like any other capitalist company. Think record companies, movie studios, Edison- Westinghouse etc etc. Sueing the other guy is characteristic of true blue capitalism.
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'Scared', pa-shah. Apple is behaving like any other capitalist company. Think record companies, movie studios, Edison- Westinghouse etc etc. Sueing the other guy is characteristic of true blue capitalism.

Is Westinghouse even relevant today?
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Sorry, but that is an absurd statement. At minimum Ive is subject to the control of the board, just like Cook. So he is not the most powerful; he has at least one peer.

And I would be extremely surprised if Cook could not fire him, although he may need permission from the board or the COB, but that is not unusual for very high-level employees.

Apple Insider, gets worse and worse everyday. Sensationalist articles.
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Many of these factories have been funded by Apple. (For example the 1 billion pre payment for flash memory in 2005).

Horace Dediu of Asymco.com http://www.asymco.com/2011/10/27/the...s-ios-volumes/ seems to think that Apple bought the equipment that sits in Samsung's and other vendors' factories (at minimum Apple carries it as capex and depreciates it over years). So imagine how Samsung now has Apple by the short hairs - "Well, we have $5B of your equipment sitting here. You can contiunue to work with us or say bye-bye to $5B. Oh, and by the way, we want you to buy us some more equipment for that next generation product, OK?"

Maybe I am not understanding how this equipment is financed and who actually "owns" it, but it can't be good for Apple right now. Those upfront payments also make a captive of Apple.

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Apple CAN'T compete. They just run ahead of the pack. They get scared when competition comes (weird, as it's capitalism that got them to where they are). Don't people get that Apple has been more irreleveant in it's history than relevant? Only in the past 10 years (one could argue even a little less) have they become a viable company. Don't go knocking eggs. With the death of your leader you stand the true test.

Just like the Romans.

You really don't pay attention at all do you? Apple has always had competition, and usually is not the majority market player. How in the world did you come to determine that they get scared of competition? Being innovative is not irrelevant, as they have demonstrated a couple of times now. They show greater growth in PC sales than the rest of the industry, slowly eroding away at the Windows majority consistently for the last several years. They innovated into and then lead and continue to lead the PMP segment with the iPod series. They innovated the smartphone category, establishing a new benchmark for a minority segment of the mobile market, that is now set to take over the much larger feature phone majority segment.

You also show an appalling lack when it comes to understanding history as well. Which Roman leader are you referencing and why? And at which stage of Roman history? With over 140 Roman imperial rulers spanning from 27BC/BCE thru 476AD/CE you have a plethora of potential examples, but none of which resulted in the "Fall of Rome".

Care to refine your statements into something that makes more sense?
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Maybe. But there are very few manufacturers who can turn out the components Apple needs with high yields and low defect rates. Very few. Samsung is one of those few.

My hunch is these legal skirmishes will play themselves out many years before Apple and Samsung part ways. This whole design patent business has done well for AppleInsider, but ultimately it won't be what Apple builds its future on. Their future is not so slender as to hinge on an abstract drawing of a rectangular object that looks very little like anything they've made. Apple is far more innovative than many here give them credit.

Um......I think most people here give too much credit.

Apple does need to innovate continuously. Otherwise they might go the way of SONY.
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This is ridiculous - speaking as a lawyer, this is nothing more than a stall tactic and annoyance by Samsung's counsel; Apple's product came first, so there's little to nothing to be gained by deposing its designers.
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this is an insult and shouldn't be taken seriously
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Are they going to try to get Apple Designers to say they stole designs before Samsung stole them.


That seems pretty unlikely to me.
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Apple cannot file criminal charges.

They can and they do, even in situations where there is no sufficient justification for such misdeeds:

"Criminal charges were also added by Apple in December of last year, but those charges were also dismissed due to a lack of "sufficient justification.""

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...from_apple.htm


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Oh and don't be shocked if Apple is already filing motions to prevent questions about upcoming products and even motions calling pretty much everyone other than Ive totally irrelevant and getting those deposition requests dismissed as harassment.

Nothing that Apple does shocks me anymore. Not even filing unjustified criminal charges against innocent small manufacturers in order to have their merchandise seized at the ports.

Nope. At this point, Apple seems capable of pretty much anything.

When they made bullshit immigration threats and pretended to be police so they could ransack that guy's house for their lost iPhone - that was the incident which proved to me just what sort of a nasty megacorporate monster Apple has become.



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that was the incident which proved to me just what sort of a nasty megacorporate monster Apple has become.

Idea: Leave, then.

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Apple can smell when things are turning sour and they always have a secret backup plan like when they moved away from IBM processors.

I won't ever buy another Samsung product.

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At this point, Apple might want to seriously consider walking away from its supplier contract with Samsung.
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Nothing that Apple does shocks me anymore. Not even filing unjustified criminal charges against innocent small manufacturers in order to have their merchandise seized at the ports.

Nope. At this point, Apple seems capable of pretty much anything.

When they made bullshit immigration threats and pretended to be police so they could ransack that guy's house for their lost iPhone - that was the incident which proved to me just what sort of a nasty megacorporate monster Apple has become.




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I won't ever buy another Samsung product.

I doubt there are many Apple products that don't contain Samsung products.
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