With 4% market share, Apple's iPhone rakes in 52% of mobile profits - Page 2

Originally Posted by stelligent

Anyone who complacently predicts Apple will dominate forever would probably fail to find a single historical example as backup.

Originally Posted by stelligent

It is new in American business?

Originally Posted by grmac

Oh boy - when's your trip to India?

Keep up the good habits, tS!

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Oh, no! Someone is health conscious! He must be completely bat-crap insane and Eastern spiritual about all sorts of crap!



The heck is wrong with you?

Originally Posted by stelligent

It is new in American business?

Originally Posted by solipsism

Are you sure his comment was meant to be negative?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Oh, no! Someone is health conscious! He must be completely bat-crap insane and Eastern spiritual about all sorts of crap!



The heck is wrong with you?



I'd love to go to India sometime. My father lived there for eighteen years and can speak fluent Hindi, so it has always interested me.

Ashrams and living off the earth and meditation and zen and Buddhism? Not so much at all. Come off it.

Originally Posted by mr_sparkle

Still that isn't a 5% increase. That is a 500 basis points increase. You can't subtract percentages to get the percent increase. 47% * X% = 52%. I'll let you do the math from there.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Not certain, just assumed.

The assumption came from the parallels drawn with Steve Jobs and the somewhat facetious call on a spontaneous trip to India.

If I'm wrong, I do apologize.

Originally Posted by christopher126

I take ur point...but not really that surprising when u consider most businesses follow the "Walmart" business model....sell "crap" at a low cost, but sell a lot of it. Americans seem to equate good value to low cost...

Largest retailer, Walmart. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest beverage company, Coke. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest restaurant company, McDonald's. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest software company, Microsoft. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest PC manufacturer, (by volume), HP. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest auto company, (until recently), GM. What do they sell? Crap!

Largest food company, General Mills-(?). What do they sell? Crap!

Etc., etc....

P.S. Anyone have some more examples I can add to the list?

Originally Posted by Hiro

You are overthinking it. 47% to 52% is an increase of 5% of the overall market. Period. It is always relative to the 100% of the entire market. Yes, you can also call that a 500 basis point increase. So??? That's just different units of measure, not different meanings.

You seem to want to asses it as how much did Apple grow their market share, which is a different question that has an answer of ~10.6%.

Trying to be cute by over-parsing the text to try to get it to fit into a different context isn't worth it, nor is that correct. solipsism was correct in what he said.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Simple math: 50 − 47 = 5

Originally Posted by Hiro

You are overthinking it. 47% to 52% is an increase of 5% of the overall market. Period. It is always relative to the 100% of the entire market. Yes, you can also call that a 500 basis point increase. So??? That's just different units of measure, not different meanings.

You seem to want to asses it as how much did Apple grow their market share, which is a different question that has an answer of ~10.6%.

Trying to be cute by over-parsing the text to try to get it to fit into a different context isn't worth it, nor is that correct. solipsism was correct in what he said.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Originally Posted by solipsism

That was a bad typo. I blame my iPhone keyboard not my lack of proofreading.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

If you'd written the numbers as words instead of numerals -- you could blame it on iPhone MisTypeAhead

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Oh, no! Someone is health conscious! He must be completely bat-crap insane and Eastern spiritual about all sorts of crap!



The heck is wrong with you?



I'd love to go to India sometime. My father lived there for eighteen years and can speak fluent Hindi, so it has always interested me.

Ashrams and living off the earth and meditation and zen and Buddhism? Not so much at all. Come off it.

Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton

Actually, I thought Tim Cook said recently that he would love to see Apple reach 10% of the worldwide (total) mobile phone market--not just smartphones--but all mobile phones period. Sounds like in 4 years, Apple went from zero to 40% of their goal. I'd call that f--ing impressive for a single manufacturer that, until recently, sold a single model at a time.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Even assuming this is true, it's unsustainable. Eventually, something has to change.

Possible changes the industry might adopt:

- Low profit companies stop selling phones
- Companies reduce the range of product offerings to reduce cost
- Companies improve their products enough to gain market share and profits


Right now, Apple makes an average of 25 times as much per phone as the rest of the industry. SOMEONE has to make a change.

Originally Posted by solipsism

An historical example of a company dominating forever? For @#$%'s sake!

What we can look at it the four cores business segments Apple operates: PC, PMP, handset, tablet. They dominate profits in each. That should at least make you consider that Apple is pretty good company at understanding their core markets… but and ConradJoe and go right ahead and spin it into Apple is somehow lucky or that other companies aren't really in it for the money.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

On the large scale he's right to some extent. Cheap won out so often over quality it became the model many businesses followed. Just look at VHS or Winblows machines, not until iPod did a higher priced but superior product win through so strongly against the crap. I would credit Sony with some success in this too with many of their products in the far distant past. My first Trinitron 13" was a techno wet dream.

Originally Posted by stelligent

If memory serves, Jobs announced a goal of 1% of cellphone sales world wide. So indeed, moving that bar to 10% is a sign of accomplishment and confidence.

As for one model at a time, didn't they start selling *older* models concurrently since from 2009 onward?

Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers

iPhone is the 1%.

Originally Posted by stelligent

If memory serves, Jobs announced a goal of 1% of cellphone sales world wide. So indeed, moving that bar to 10% is a sign of accomplishment and confidence.

As for one model at a time, didn't they start selling *older* models concurrently since from 2009 onward?

Originally Posted by Wiggin

Along those same lines, I've been wondering for awhile now how many of the Occupy Wall Street folks, who are protesting corporate greed and excessive profits, own iPhones? Or any Apple product, for that matter? Apple's profit margins would embarrass even a Big Oil or Big Bank executive.

Originally Posted by stelligent

If memory serves, Jobs announced a goal of 1% of cellphone sales world wide. So indeed, moving that bar to 10% is a sign of accomplishment and confidence.

As for one model at a time, didn't they start selling *older* models concurrently since from 2009 onward?

Originally Posted by esummers

You forgot the other option. They stay the same or they poorly execute one of these options and the companies go bankrupt. That happened to Palm and it looks like RIM is on that trajectory.

Originally Posted by stelligent

He is saying no other American company has ever combined good design and economic manufacturing. Such a statement is either right or wrong. It cannot be right to some extent. If it is right to some extent, then he is just wrong.

It is actually easy to come up with myriad examples to prove him wrong. But quality design and even economic manufacturing are really subjective concepts. So I won't bother. But in general, because there are soooooooooo many American businesses, it is silly to make an absolute statement like that because no one here could possibly know about every business, every product and how they are manufactured to be able to say Apple is the first American business to bla bla bla. There is no possible way he could know this.

Originally Posted by Flaneur

American companies always tended to build overweight and overdecorated. I can think of a few exceptions. Western Electric telephone sets, the Polaroid Land and SX70 cameras, and my 50s Oster beehive blender that I still use every day. Name another.

Originally Posted by jhende7

Actually, both are right. Due to the way the sentence is written, either/or could be the correct interpretation. Obviously though, it was clearly meant one way as opposed to the other as mathematically one could figure out the basics (52-5 = 47).

Their is no elimination factor within the specific sentence that could peg it either way, however reading it in the context of the article would make one lean towards the figure being relative to the 100%. Really this is just semantics though as it would be very difficult to make the sentence 100% bullet proof.

Something akin to "At 52%, Apple has captured an additional 5% of the industry profits, up from 47% in 2010"

That's as close as I can get.

Originally Posted by jragosta

It's even simpler than that. You should never say x percent. It's always x% OF SOMETHING.

So in this case, when Apple went from 47% to 52%, then it's share of the total market grew by 5% OF THE TOTAL MARKET. This could also be expressed to say that it's share grew by 11% OVER ITS PREVIOUS LEVEL.

Originally Posted by solipsism

It's simple. They specified a 5% increase of the all handset profits, not the increase in Apple's profits. You wrote "your" hourly salary, when you need to see how that change in per hour rate affects the example companies total hourly payout then you'll understand what is being measured.

To reiterate, there is 100% that can be taken from any stated market. Apple was taking 47% of the handset market, now they are taking 52% of the handset market. How much of an increase of the handset market did they gain? If you can't figure out that is 5% I feel bad for when you hit 3rd grade.

Originally Posted by ConradJoe

Silex Lido Coffeemaker

Originally Posted by solipsism

5% increase of the entire world's handset profits, not 5% increase over their previous quarter's handset profits. Simple math: 52 − 47 = 5

Originally Posted by mr_sparkle

But it's not simple math. If it was then a 5% increase of your $7.25 hourly salary would be $12.25 but it's really only $7.61 ( i.e. $7.25 * 5% or $7.25 * 0.05 if you don't understand percentages, is $0.36 not $5.00 )

Originally Posted by mr_sparkle

Still that isn't a 5% increase. That is a 500 basis points increase. You can't subtract percentages to get the percent increase. 47% * X% = 52%. I'll let you do the math from there.

Originally Posted by GeorgeRC

Does anybody know that actually this number is down from the second quarter?

"Apple raked in 52% of the overall profits during the quarter, down slightly from 57% in the second calendar quarter [/I]but up from 47% in the year-ago quarter that also had the then-new iPhone 4 on the market."

Let's celebrate anything Apple!

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Originally Posted by Flaneur

The "Lido Decorated" is a perfect example of American meretricious aping of what they thought was European classy. My childhood was filled with beautiful, amusing, Victorianesque crap like that, because parents and grandparents were antique hoarders. I'm glad for the anti-aesthetic education, though.

Originally Posted by Flaneur

American companies always tended to build overweight and overdecorated. I can think of a few exceptions. Western Electric telephone sets, the Polaroid Land and SX70 cameras, and my 50s Oster beehive blender that I still use every day. Name another.

Originally Posted by Flaneur

There is a possible way to know this: pay attention for 60 years or so waiting for an American company that can compete with German, Swiss, Scandanavian and later Japanese in technical products made for ordinary people in great -- not good! -- design. Have you seen what American television sets looked like in the 50s and 60s? Did Kodak or Argus ever make the equal to the Leica? Why were Olympia (German) portable typewriters so much more beautiful and pleasurable to type on than Royals?

American companies always tended to build overweight and overdecorated. I can think of a few exceptions. Western Electric telephone sets, the Polaroid Land and SX70 cameras, and my 50s Oster beehive blender that I still use every day. Name another.

It's important to get this across, because it is what Jobs, Ive and Apple were/are specifically aiming at: running a company that is based on deep design and integral quality, and spreading it as widely as possible. Everyone sane and not full of Applephobia knows this. What some don't realize is how revolutionary it is that it is coming out of California, which can still be sort of considered part of America.

If you don't see this driving Apple and its current success, then maybe read the biography. If you've read the biography and you still don't get it, there's no hope.

Edit: And why is it so important that it's coming from California? Read What the Dormouse Said by John Markoff. Global currents of cultural change centered around Palo Alto, and Steve Jobs had Fiats, Volkswagens, BMW motorcycles, and the right ethnopharmacology imported from the Hindu Kush and Switzerland to open his senses. And a German father who taught him to look behind the door panels to see how the finish was where no one was supposed to see. Couldn't have come from anywhere else, and it is the tool for the big change in consciousness that everybody was hoping for back then. And it fits in your pants, and even the yuppies get it.