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After meeting with members of Apple's leadership, investment bank Barclays said this week it believes the company's iCloud is the most significant service introduction since iTunes, paving the way for the company to introduce products that don't yet exist.

"Long term, we believe that iCloud could be Apples most important new service since the launch of iTunes in 2003," analyst Ben Reitzes said following a face-to-face meeting last week with Apple chief executive Tim Cook and chief financial officer Oppenheimer. "We believe Tim Cook clearly understands how important iCloud is to Apples future."

In particular, Reitzes noted that iCloud stands to foster additional customer loyalty towards Apple, as it monetizes users' investments into their iTunes purchases over the years while also adding the benefit of freeing those same customers from wires.

"Only Apple can currently deliver this type of convenience and integration," he said. "We agree with Tim Cook iCloud is profound. It basically makes the cloud the digital hub - not the Mac or PC."

As such, the analyst has dubbed iCloud the "sneaky" product launch of 2011, vouching his belief that the service may drive some of the company's most long-term value by laying the foundation for an earnest assault on the TV market in addition to "devices we haven't thought of yet."

Reitzes sees iCloud as the "new hub" for users' media, allowing for wireless distribution to a variety of devices by offloading data storage to the cloud. He notes that global PC sales estimates were cut for 2012 due in part to services like iCloud that "literally help 'demote' the PC from a critical hub to just another device competing for your dollars.

It is unclear what new devices, if any, Apple is working on that leverage iCloud, but it seems to analysts that the service will play a part in shaping the future of the company and its products.

As more product makers move to the cloud, local storage such as flash memory and hard drives is slowly becoming irrelevant as users are able to stream or download content from services like iCloud. iTunes users will be able to take advantage of the move when iTunes Match is released, allowing them to re-download any song in their music library regardless of where it was purchased.

Considering the importance of iCloud and the possibilities surrounding the service, Reitzes gives AAPL an overweight stock rating with a target price of $555, and believes that the company's market cap can see further gains based on Mac and iPhone sales.

Recently the firm's Global Wireless Equipment team raised its 2011-2014 smartphone forecast to 65% year over year growth in 2011 to 467 million units, up from 49% or 420 million. For 2012, analysts see a 43% growth to 668 million smartphones, up from the previous forecast of 35% representing 567 million units. The new forecasts are based on Apple's strong iPhone 4S launch and prospective sales numbers as well as an eventual iPhone 5 release.
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And yet it still has a ways to go. I do like the idea of things syncing automatically, but if I could just manage it.................

Same for iTunes match.........management.
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Could be most important if it was actually comprehensive in its usefulness.... so far, it seems to me like not much more than a gussied up version of MobileMe. I.e., a bit of a disappointment.
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Such as... 1984 big government mandated cloud snooping (read as fishing expeditions), in the name of "security", of course.

Meanwhile what is left of liberty? I am leery of iCloud for these reasons...
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Really? Yawn.
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I don't understand what makes iCloud important. Everything I'm seeing so far has it looking like a downgrade from what we already had.
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And yet it still has a ways to go. I do like the idea of things syncing automatically, but if I could just manage it.................

Same for iTunes match.........management.

It definitely needs some finer controls. Since the switch from MM to iCloud I have multiple contacts and groups. Unlike with MobileMe's preference pane I can't figure out how to completely clean out my contacts and push the right setup from my Mac to iCloud and down to all my devices. The iCloud server keeps propagating this incorrect list.
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I don't understand what makes iCloud important. Everything I'm seeing so far has it looking like a downgrade from what we already had.

You mean iDisk, don't you? The ability to take a picture and then have it show up on all your other devices via PhotoStream is great, which is just an extension of the file syncing within the system. Also, the backup and syncing for all your settings is nice, if not a time consuming way to restore your device when trying to get 800MB to an iPhone over even a fast WiFI connection.

Overall the way iCloud integrates with your devices is far superior to MobileMe, though it's not without its problems.
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Overall the way iCloud integrates with your devices is far superior to MobileMe, though it's not without its problems.

You keep saying that, but I'm not seeing that at all. There's nothing even remotely compelling about it. I don't know what you're seeing that I'm missing, but I look at what iCloud does, and all it makes me think is "why would ANYONE want that?".
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and could lead the way to new unthought of devices.

Remarkable. What will these devices unthink?
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Could be most important if it was actually comprehensive in its usefulness.... so far, it seems to me like not much more than a gussied up version of MobileMe. I.e., a bit of a disappointment.

In all fairness "usefulness" is subjective.

For instance I find the whole idea of iTunes match as well as Photostream completely useless. They are what I would call "low end" consumer features that anyone who actually knows how to use a computer would find more of a hinderance than a help.

I'm sure on the other hand that lots of folks just love them.

What I'd like to see is for Apple to get the basic service running a bit more efficiently. I'm a big time Apple supporter and a user of .Mac, MobileMe, and now iCloud since the first day they were available, yet if I am honest the service is actually *worse* with each iteration.

I'm not sure if it's just volume, but iCloud mail is painfully slow and has had several outages a week since it debuted. MobileMe mail was slow but not this bad, .Mac mail was actually kind of snappy.

What's really insulting also is that stupid page that tells you everything is fine or that only some fraction of a percent of users had "some problems" recently, when in fact the system can be totally broken for long periods of time and this isn't reflected in the status page.

It's really total garbage for me so far. Very, very unreliable. I'm patiently waiting for them to fix it and probably won't leave even if they don't, but I'm seriously thinking of switching to another provider for my main email address.

It would also help if they provided some way of controlling SPAM which is way out of control. There is no way the user can actually designate SPAM except through the webmail interface which is so painful it's just not worth it. The mobile clients *still* don't have any way of marking SPAM.
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Of course Apple's iCloud is just MobileMe but isn't MobileMe a good offering; and now, MobileMe or iCloud as Apple's Internet software and services are now known. Perhaps the best new feature is the cost, iCloud is free. Apple now not only has a competitive "cloud" offering but has a better value proposition.

Apps
Backup (of iOS devices)
Bookmarks
Calendars
Contacts
Documents & Data
Find my Friends
Find my Phone
Music
Photo Stream
TV Shows

The only aspect of iCloud you can't manage is Photo Stream although you can temporarily deactivate Photo Stream on your device if you are about to photograph something you don't want on Photo Stream.

The ability to re-download Apps, music or TV shows on demand is quite powerful as this means even a 8 GB iPhone has an effectively unlimited storage option (for certain types of media) that doesn't require the user to fiddle with removable storage media.

I actually preferred MobileMe Gallery and iDisk over iCloud Photo Stream and Documents & Data although I understand why Apple believes iCloud automatic synchronization is superior for most users.
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Originally Posted by libertyforall View Post

Such as... 1984 big government mandated cloud snooping (read as fishing expeditions), in the name of "security", of course.

Meanwhile what is left of liberty? I am leery of iCloud for these reasons...

For the record:

1) The snooping you are talking about can only be stopped if you vote out the fascists that changed the law in the first place. It's nothing to do with the service, it's the government itself.

2) Also, all online services of any description have this same problem.

3) Out of all the online services available *only* Apple's provides you with some modicum of privacy. All the rest are far worse.
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In all fairness "usefulness" is subjective.

For instance I find the whole idea of iTunes match as well as Photostream completely useless. They are what I would call "low end" consumer features that anyone who actually knows how to use a computer would find more of a hinderance than a help.

I'm sure on the other hand that lots of folks just love them.

What I'd like to see is for Apple to get the basic service running a bit more efficiently. I'm a big time Apple supporter and a user of .Mac, MobileMe, and now iCloud since the first day they were available, yet if I am honest the service is actually *worse* with each iteration.

I'm not sure if it's just volume, but iCloud mail is painfully slow and has had several outages a week since it debuted. MobileMe mail was slow but not this bad, .Mac mail was actually kind of snappy.

What's really insulting also is that stupid page that tells you everything is fine or that only some fraction of a percent of users had "some problems" recently, when in fact the system can be totally broken for long periods of time and this isn't reflected in the status page.

It's really total garbage for me so far. Very, very unreliable. I'm patiently waiting for them to fix it and probably won't leave even if they don't, but I'm seriously thinking of switching to another provider for my main email address.

It would also help if they provided some way of controlling SPAM which is way out of control. There is no way the user can actually designate SPAM except through the webmail interface which is so painful it's just not worth it. The mobile clients *still* don't have any way of marking SPAM.

You can "move" email to the Junk folders in your email accounts as long as the account makes the junk folder available (IMAP or Active Sync accounts like iCloud or Exchange, respectively). You have an excellent thought about the ability to mark "junk" mail on iPhone though, if possible, marking as junk as simply as marking read is preferable. Please make a enhancement request, I already have.

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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

In all fairness "usefulness" is subjective.

For instance I find the whole idea of iTunes match as well as Photostream completely useless. They are what I would call "low end" consumer features that anyone who actually knows how to use a computer would find more of a hinderance than a help.

I'm sure on the other hand that lots of folks just love them.

What I'd like to see is for Apple to get the basic service running a bit more efficiently. I'm a big time Apple supporter and a user of .Mac, MobileMe, and now iCloud since the first day they were available, yet if I am honest the service is actually *worse* with each iteration.

I'm not sure if it's just volume, but iCloud mail is painfully slow and has had several outages a week since it debuted. MobileMe mail was slow but not this bad, .Mac mail was actually kind of snappy.

What's really insulting also is that stupid page that tells you everything is fine or that only some fraction of a percent of users had "some problems" recently, when in fact the system can be totally broken for long periods of time and this isn't reflected in the status page.

It's really total garbage for me so far. Very, very unreliable. I'm patiently waiting for them to fix it and probably won't leave even if they don't, but I'm seriously thinking of switching to another provider for my main email address.

It would also help if they provided some way of controlling SPAM which is way out of control. There is no way the user can actually designate SPAM except through the webmail interface which is so painful it's just not worth it. The mobile clients *still* don't have any way of marking SPAM.

I approve of your totally subjective explication of "usefulness."

What a disaster. Just for you. And for me.
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..... if possible, marking as junk as simply as marking read is preferable. Please make a enhancement request, I already have.

After so many decades of fussing around with this stuff (and what other email systems have done forever), this is the kind of thing that needs an "enhancement request"?

Groan. Apple should fire the whole lot and start over.
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The ability to re-download Apps, music or TV shows on demand is quite powerful as this means even a 8 GB iPhone has an effectively unlimited storage option (for certain types of media) that doesn't require the user to fiddle with removable storage media.

This is the main point...with iCloud, Apple is circumventing the need for larger storage in each device...therefore the devices can be made smaller and be less expensive. Gone are the days where I need all my movies on my iPad2, just like I don't need my entire music library on my iPhone 4. In fact, I don't need a large desktop (iMac, read: Truck!). I don't need an ATV with a large HD, I don't need a heavy macbookpro where an MBA will suffice, etc., etc.

All one needs is iCloud, ip4s, ipad2, an MBA (perhaps a large monitor, KB, TP) and an ATV. One can have all this for substantially less than an iMac and a MacBookpro!

P.S. The MBA needs 3G!
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I think this is perhaps a bit of hyperbole.

The Cloud is nothing more than a rebranding of network services to make it understandable for end users who glaze over the minute servers are mentioned.

A Cloud cannot much more than a networked group of storage so I'd take issue with the Cloud suddenly becoming the arbiter of new devices. Whatever it brings to the table isn't going to be something that didn't exist in a normal networked environment.

What the cloud does is move your digital lifestyle hub up the chain. So now you're looking down from 50 thousand feet instead of your home Macs 50 foot view.

Access going to determine the next products. Being able to access network resources in more places will fuel new products and the Cloud is going to be central to this explosion but not because it's intrinsically unique but because it's easy to access as a network resource.
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I am not going to complain. I find iCloud really useful to me. it synchs all my bookmarks and reading list across all my apple devices. my pics goes directly to iPhoto and aperture. what more could i ask for? it's not perfect, but very useful to keep everything synched.
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I am not going to complain. I find iCloud really useful to me. it synchs all my bookmarks and reading list across all my apple devices. my pics goes directly to iPhoto and aperture. what more could i ask for? it's not perfect, but very useful to keep everything synched.

Well said! I agree.
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I think that we should think of iCloud as just another Apple "X" software update.

When Apple released QuickTime X, it was much more user-friendly to do a bunch of tasks, but the application itself was picked bare of some of its staple features with no replacement forthcoming or left available.

Cut to the death of MobileMe.

iCloud is to MobileMe what QuickTime X was to QuickTime 7 Pro.

We're missing key features and there's no way to get those unless you've kept QuickTime 7 Pro from a pre-Lion install. Like the equivalent of iDisk, for example. And keychain syncing.

But QuickTime X in Lion has added features that QuickTime has never had, like the ability to save audio-only files (I MEAN SERIOUSLY, APPLE. HOW WAS THIS SO HARD? I extract an audio track from something in QuickTime 7 and go to save it as an AAC file. NOPE, .MOV).

And iCloud has added features that MobileMe never had. And I'm sure Apple will only add more.

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It definitely needs some finer controls. Since the switch from MM to iCloud I have multiple contacts and groups. Unlike with MobileMe's preference pane I can't figure out how to completely clean out my contacts and push the right setup from my Mac to iCloud and down to all my devices. The iCloud server keeps propagating this incorrect list.

I had the same issue, but a bit of experimentation sorted it all out.

On your Mac, go to your Address Book, Preferences, Accounts, and have a look at what you've got in there. If you're anything like I was you'll have both MobileMe AND iCloud. Update your iCloud contacts, delete the MobileMe contacts and, hopefully, that will resolve that for you..
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iCloud has been ok so far, but I've run into more faults/issues than exciting features. The best feature is the streaming of purchased TV shows from the Cloud to your Apple TV2. This one feature has saved me multiple GBs of space and has been simply magical. 2nd best feature is the automatic downloading of new music and app purchases to all your devices. 3rd best feature is iMessage which is seamless and elegant and has allowed me to cancel SMS with my provider.

But then there are the problems.
- email not consistently pushing to my devices
- PhotoStream not getting all the pictures I take with my iPhone
- No ability to delete pictures from PhotoStream
- No ability to organize PhotoStream pictures into albums on iOS
- All photos in PhotoStream are tagged with a 'Photostream' tag that's difficult to delete
- No way to share photos
- No way to share files with others
- Sharing iOS iWork files with your Mac is a big pain (and vice versa)
- No Podcast support with iCloud
- the loss of web hosting through iWeb

PhotoStream needs the most work. It's so pointless in its current form. There is potential for iCloud but it sure has a long way to go. It's not the awesome service it was made out to be.
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iCloud has it's benefits, but for my money, "artificial intelligence" in the form of Siri is THE breakthrough of the year. It will only keep improving and will eventually allow things like instant 2-way translation and it will act functionally like a real secretary or assistant, which will give every person with an iPhone benefits that only multi-millionaires have had access to up to now. As a matter of fact, I can foresee Siri performing doctor or nurse-like functions, fashion or design advice, and on, and on, and on...

I'm not sure people appreciate the fact that we are edging toward what is known as "strong A.I.", or true artificial intelligence. The addition of sensors that will give Siri a finer sense of being in the same location as the user will enable it to act scarily intelligently, almost intuitively.

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iCloud has it's benefits, but for my money, "artificial intelligence" in the form of Siri is THE breakthrough of the year. It will only keep improving and will eventually allow things like instant 2-way translation and it will act functionally like a real secretary or assistant, which will give every person with an iPhone benefits that only multi-millionaires have had access to up to now. As a matter of fact, I can foresee Siri performing doctor or nurse-like functions, fashion or design advice, and on, and on, and on...

I'm not sure people appreciate the fact that we are edging toward what is known as "strong A.I.", or true artificial intelligence. The addition of sensors that will give Siri a finer sense of being in the same location as the user will enable it to act scarily intelligently, almost intuitively.

I was trying to get Siri into the conversation. Well done. Jobs said he "cracked" tv's! I think u will walk into ur living room and say Siri CNN, please. Siri will be the way we get rid of the multiple cursed remotes!
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It definitely needs some finer controls. Since the switch from MM to iCloud I have multiple contacts and groups. Unlike with MobileMe's preference pane I can't figure out how to completely clean out my contacts and push the right setup from my Mac to iCloud and down to all my devices. The iCloud server keeps propagating this incorrect list.

i just went to iCloud.com and deleted all the contacts (select all) from there and uploaded the right ones from my mac… it was an easy setup…

my way or the highway...

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I was trying to get Siri into the conversation. Well done. Jobs said he "cracked" tv's! I think u will walk into ur living room and say Siri CNN, please. Siri will be the way we get rid of the multiple cursed remotes!

A lot us think 'a' remote will have the microphone for Siri. We shall see.

As for iCloud... underwhelming for me. Syncing contacts and bookmarks is good. I'm surprised there is not a 'dropbox' feature... Or is there?. Photostream.. Ugh... I shoot lots of shots and then sort. So have to have it off then sort, then turn it on, ...I think that's how it works. What I'd prefer is it would stream my existing folders. Perhaps in future.
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Yeah, but they need to get push email working properly first.
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I was trying to get Siri into the conversation. Well done. Jobs said he "cracked" tv's! I think u will walk into ur living room and say Siri CNN, please. Siri will be the way we get rid of the multiple cursed remotes!

iCloud is nice but Siri... Now that's massive. It's voice control done right. Stay on target, stay on target...!
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[QUOTE ]Apple's iCloud seen leading to gadgets 'we haven't thought of yet'][/QUOTE]

Are serious? gadgets? Like what? Can't you say that about most technology devices and services?

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You remember how every crewman in Star Trek Next Generation talks to the ship's computer for pretty much any administrative, logistical, research, informational and whatever task that needs to be done? That's what Siri/iCloud is driving towards.
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Are serious? gadgets? Like what? Can't you say that about most technology devices and services?

Isn't it obvious? It's gadgets "we haven't thought of yet"!!

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I hate something in Lion: it decides for me if applications should quit or not.

I have issues with iChat staying online after I quit it and reopening by itself (Hey, I'm the Ghost of iChat... scary).

I don't want iCloud to decide for me what's on a server and what's in my private collection of data. I don't want to have to go back to Linux machines because Apple's idea of a Unix is turning into a thin client (it's a revolution... we're doing a 360° back to the eighties, data in the mainframes and thin clients... come on...)

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While I like the concept of storing all my data in the cloud, I worry that once we start becoming dependent on doing so that our ISP's will move to capping the amount of data we use in a month. This is already practice in other countries in the US, and several ISP's here (Comcast, TWC) have already tried it. The mobile operators have already basically en masse moved to it, it's only a matter of time until the major ISP's attempt to do the same in earnest.
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You mean iDisk, don't you? The ability to take a picture and then have it show up on all your other devices via PhotoStream is great, which is just an extension of the file syncing within the system. Also, the backup and syncing for all your settings is nice, if not a time consuming way to restore your device when trying to get 800MB to an iPhone over even a fast WiFI connection.

Overall the way iCloud integrates with your devices is far superior to MobileMe, though it's not without its problems.

I have not pulled the trigger yet on iCloud still using Mobile Me. For me the last few months MM has been acting flaky with my contacts and calendar and don't want to risk making it worse.

I guess I just don't see the appeal of photo stream. For every one picture of the kids on my phone there would be 5 pictures of some parts i am disassembling or some doodad I am fixing. Kind of a waste to be streaming that.
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As more product makers move to the cloud, local storage such as flash memory and hard drives is slowly becoming irrelevant as users are able to stream or download content from services like iCloud.

That's the whole problem with iCloud - you can't store your iTunes library in the cloud and stream it. You can re-download purchases but you still have to store your content on a local hard drive. I'm just about to buy my third external hard drive because I've bought so much iTunes content.

What we need is the ability to store your iTunes library in a digital locker in the cloud and stream and/or download the content as you wish. That way you wouldn't need to store your content locally. I know some people who download iTunes stuff and then upload it again to a cloud based storage service. It takes forever and is a huge waste of both time and bandwidth.

I could stream the content when I'm at home on my Mac or AppleTV with broadband and download it to my iOS devices to avoid using up my data allowance.
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While I like the concept of storing all my data in the cloud, I worry that once we start becoming dependent on doing so that our ISP's will move to capping the amount of data we use in a month. This is already practice in other countries in the US, and several ISP's here (Comcast, TWC) have already tried it. The mobile operators have already basically en masse moved to it, it's only a matter of time until the major ISP's attempt to do the same in earnest.

Thing is, all that has to happen is one of them not doing it and the others will be forced to also remove their caps.

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iCloud has been ok so far, but I've run into more faults/issues than exciting features. The best feature is the streaming of purchased TV shows from the Cloud to your Apple TV2. This one feature has saved me multiple GBs of space and has been simply magical. 2nd best feature is the automatic downloading of new music and app purchases to all your devices. 3rd best feature is iMessage which is seamless and elegant and has allowed me to cancel SMS with my provider.

Actually, you do not need iCloud for any of those features. I'm still on MobileMe (sorry but I'm holding on to iDisk and Gallery for dear life as long as possible) and I use those features with no problem on all devices.
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Such as... 1984 big government mandated cloud snooping (read as fishing expeditions), in the name of "security", of course.

Meanwhile what is left of liberty? I am leery of iCloud for these reasons...

Could people making this claim please read the book first and understand what the book is all about?

You couldn't be more wrong about the intent of iCloud if you tried.

I would like to see how GameCenter uses iCloud. It sucks when you have the same game on multiple iOS devices and not get your saved games and all that transfer over to each of them.
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I would like to see how GameCenter uses iCloud. It sucks when you have the same game on multiple iOS devices and not get your saved games and all that transfer over to each of them.

Mmm, that's good. Or when you've magically lost all progress in a game in an update or clean OS install; having a save point in the cloud would be great.

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