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post #41 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:00am
Finally the utterly obnoxious flash will be history. Great!
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post #42 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:00am
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Apple chose not to go the Java route as they prefer to control the entire user experience. While this may provide positive benefits for users of IOS devices, it makes things slightly more complicated for developers.

I so strongly disagree with this. Having developed in both Java and iOS, I can tell you that developing for iOS is by far an easier solution. I have yet to see any kind of GUI that allows you to model data or create the GUI for Java that is anywhere close to Xcode.


I do understand the Java more closely resembles other languages (as far as look of syntax, and the way it handles OOP), however once you have gotten over the initial hump of learning Objective-C and why it uses the messages approach; doing the other way just seems archaic to me.
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post #43 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:11am
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PS: I guess that's one less negative mark under Cons for the iPhone and iPad when it comes time to rate them.

I didn't realize you were keeping score. What is Apple up to now? A net score of minus zero?

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post #44 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:13am


"Fascinating!"

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post #45 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:17am
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I so strongly disagree with this. Having developed in both Java and iOS, I can tell you that developing for iOS is by far an easier solution. I have yet to see any kind of GUI that allows you to model data or create the GUI for Java that is anywhere close to Xcode.


I do understand the Java more closely resembles other languages (as far as look of syntax, and the way it handles OOP), however once you have gotten over the initial hump of learning Objective-C and why it uses the messages approach; doing the other way just seems archaic to me.

Agreed.
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post #46 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:17am
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I didn't realize you were keeping score. What is Apple up to now? A net score of minus zero?

This isn't is a suburban elementary school. Not everyone gets a trophy for participating. We keep score, and decided winners and losers.

Although, it seems all of Apple's competitors are getting a gold star for participating in the tablet market while Apple got berated for its original, breakthrough iPad.
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post #47 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:18am
Hopefully they stop developing for the Desktop too!!
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post #48 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:18am
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Too bad he didn't get to see this day. It would have been interesting to hear what he would have had to say.

He said it already. It's just that nobody understood it at the time.

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post #49 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:22am
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Hopefully they stop developing for the Desktop too!!

Worst thing is that even if Adobe removes Flash from CS6 and stops making it available at all, people will still be making Flash files, games, and whatnot for the next DECADE.

The same file of Flash 11 beta will be passed around the Internet and copied ad infinitum (since Adobe will have stopped offering it for download and new computers wouldn't include it), and we'd wind up with a dirty black-markety subculture of Flash users, ever dwindling, until Flash finally dies in 2021 not with a bang, nor a whimper, but with a small, silent fart.
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post #50 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:31am
Steve Jobs is in his private suite in heaven with no name on the door to keep his anonymity and he's smiling and telling himself, "I told them so." I'll always wonder what other genius things and thoughts who would've created and had in the years to come. Thanks, Steve - for everything!
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post #51 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:33am
As an Android user I will readily admit that flash on a mobile device sucks the big one.
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post #52 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:38am
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Apple chose not to go the Java route as they prefer to control the entire user experience. While this may provide positive benefits for users of IOS devices, it makes things slightly more complicated for developers.

Good point. And I think that's the basis of the lawsuit - whether Davlik is Java or not. The point I was trying to make is the challenge of the Flash (or any additional) platform on iOS.
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post #53 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:41am
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Apple never have champion its own "technology". Apple is about open, industry standards like OpenGL, H264 and HTML5.

The infrastructure around it devices can be closed (like iPhone/iTunes), but the phones support open standards like HTML5. Anyone can create a program in HTML5 and run it on iOS devices.

So what is more opened? An "open" standard like Windows that uses DirectX or a closed standard that uses industry standards that works on every computer?(OpenGL)

Apple is all about propriety technology where it makes them profit (e.g. connector and power cables) and open standards where it will save them money (e.g. OpenGL).
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post #54 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:41am
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Steve Jobs is in his private suite in heaven with no name on the door to keep his anonymity and he's smiling and telling himself, "I told them so." I'll always wonder what other genius things and thoughts who would've created and had in the years to come. Thanks, Steve - for everything!

He's giving God tips on Intelligent Design telling him he needs to focus this products better starting with discontinuing the designed-by-committee platypus.

(I hope that doesn't offend anyone)
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post #55 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:41am
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This might be true for the 8,497 of you "savvy consumers".

The other 120 million "savvy consumers", and growing, will never notice.

That was post was actually a joke making fun of RIM. I think 8,497 may be a bit high for Playbook users.
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post #56 of 171
11/9/11 at 9:57am
To all those whingers who say "iOS does not run flash," well soon no mobile OS will.

So either stick with your current Android version forever, or come join the rest of us, forward thinking HTML5 people. We will be waiting for you in the future, where we have been all along.
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post #57 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:07am
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He's giving God tips on Intelligent Design telling him he needs to focus this products better starting with discontinuing the designed-by-committee platypus.

(I hope that doesn't offend anyone)

I thought mash-ups were all the rage.

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post #58 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:10am
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This is terrible news for savvy consumers who want the full web experience on their mobile devices.

Thanks - best laugh I've had all week.

(You were kidding, weren't you?)
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post #59 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:24am
Reminds me of the Open letter Jobs released about DRM on music needing to go away. The reaction that he was nuts and it happening not much later.

Too bad we will never get another Steve Jobs open letter.
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post #60 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:26am
All I can say is LOL at adobe. If you've even come across a site that wants to use flash on an iDevice they link you to other devices that support flash. Guess that link will go down soon.

As long as this leads to improvements in mobile web environments I say, yay. If people are still going to beat the dead horse of flash than this is not much of a victory as it would appear.
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post #61 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:37am

Well... it is good to see that Adobe is finally supporting the full web!
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post #62 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:44am
This doesn't mean they are going to abandon it, just stop working on new stuff. Flash will still work fine....although I use the term fine loosely.
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post #63 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:56am
So Adobe concedes defeat and it's time for another Star Wars sequel - "The Wrath of the Fandroids"
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post #64 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:56am
Yay, no more choice!

This is not a "win" for anyone, although it's not the worst thing ever. I am fine with open standards that work, but for now, most of the web uses Flash.

I don't care what the iFanboys say. This is the way the world works. Guess what. Most sites use Flash. Most computers use Windows. That is how it is.

Flash is resource-intensive and full of security holes, sure. But Adobe continued to improve it on both mobile and MacOS X. Now it's cancelled for mobile. Oh well. It's not good, but it's also not the end of the world. Hopefully over the next few years, sites will settle on ONE or a few open standards, so that everyone can access the full web on mobile. Standards are important. Especially when it comes to the web. Fragmentation helps no one.
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post #65 of 171
11/9/11 at 10:56am
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Too bad he didn't get to see this day. It would have been interesting to hear what he would have had to say.

He surely saw it from another place...yet one more example of SJ's UNIQUE vision and foresight.

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post #66 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:00am
Funny when you are using an iOS device none of that seems to be relevant or really matter.

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I don't care what the iFanboys say. This is the way the world works. Guess what. Most sites use Flash. Most computers use Windows. That is how it is.
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post #67 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Worst thing is that even if Adobe removes Flash from CS6 and stops making it available at all, people will still be making Flash files, games, and whatnot for the next DECADE.

The same file of Flash 11 beta will be passed around the Internet and copied ad infinitum (since Adobe will have stopped offering it for download and new computers wouldn't include it), and we'd wind up with a dirty black-markety subculture of Flash users, ever dwindling, until Flash finally dies in 2021 not with a bang, nor a whimper, but with a small, silent fart.

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post #68 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:02am
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So Adobe concedes defeat and it's time for another Star Wars sequel - "The Wrath of the Fandroids"

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace is coming in 3D next year.

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http://www.imdb.com/news/ni17175715/
This very long review of The Phantom Menace is well worth the time spent watch it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
This is a Blade Runner-ish short film is eally well done for a $20,000 budget.

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post #69 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:04am
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This is terrible news for savvy consumers who want the full web experience on their mobile devices.

i thought that not too long ago. if one likes dead batteries, slowness and great potential for being hacked then too bad you are out of luck.

steve was right. die, flash, die.
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11/9/11 at 11:05am
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I agree with this POV. The Apple vs Adobe drama was drummed up by the media (as well as Adobe, who went on a full PR assault to defend their "platform"). Steve Jobs didn't "attack" Flash: he simply made a choice for the iOS platform, but Apple and Adobe continued to work together on Flash for Mac OS. It wasn't until Adobe went on a PR offensive that Steve penned his "Thoughts on Flash" open letter, which laid out his vision for the future of the mobile web. And it was an HTML 5 based future.

It's clear to me that Android support for Flash was more about Google trying to play up the "Apple is against choice" PR angle than by some vision of how the mobile web should work. It was all about taking a position contrary to whatever Apple supported, even if what Apple supported was an open standard like HTML 5.

Exactly.
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post #71 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:05am
So glad they got flash running well before quitting.

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To all those whingers who say "iOS does not run flash," well soon no mobile OS will.

So either stick with your current Android version forever, or come join the rest of us, forward thinking HTML5 people. We will be waiting for you in the future, where we have been all along.

Umm no? Android will continue to run flash. Did they say anything about PULLING their progress?

BTW, the only reason you people are "html5 people" is because the salesman Steve Jobs sold you bs that you gobbled up. He said flash couldn't run on mobile platforms, and also said it was a battery drain. Neither of those things turned out to be true.
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post #72 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:10am
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So glad they got flash running well before quitting.



Umm no? Android will continue to run flash. Did they say anything about PULLING their progress?

BTW, the only reason you people are "html5 people" is because the salesman Steve Jobs sold you bs that you gobbled up. He said flash couldn't run on mobile platforms, and also said it was a battery drain. Neither of those things turned out to be true.

i am not 'html5 people', i am 'all sh*t software needs to go away people'

i guess you still use and sing the praises of RealPlayer too?
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post #73 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:12am
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So glad they got flash running well before quitting.



Umm no? Android will continue to run flash. Did they say anything about PULLING their progress?

BTW, the only reason you people are "html5 people" is because the salesman Steve Jobs sold you bs that you gobbled up. He said flash couldn't run on mobile platforms, and also said it was a battery drain. Neither of those things turned out to be true.

Yep.. Flash is perfect for mobile devices and this is why Adobe is committing to Flash for mobile development for the next 100 years. Oh wait!

PS. Do you mind linking to where Steve Jobs said Flash couldn't run on mobile devices?
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post #74 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:13am
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i guess you still use and sing the praises of RealPlayer too?

Without RealPlayer I don't have access to the full web.
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post #75 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:23am
Now there are some ways Flash will be missed (no, stop laughing, please bear with me). All the crap out there on websites you can avoid by not installing Flash at the moment will start to be made in different ways and it'll be that little bit harder to ignore.
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post #76 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:25am
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He's giving God tips on Intelligent Design telling him he needs to focus this products better starting with discontinuing the designed-by-committee platypus.

(I hope that doesn't offend anyone)

How could it?

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post #77 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:25am
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Without RealPlayer I don't have access to the full web.

Full web? You kids with your HTML5 and your JavaScript and your Flash and your plugins and extensions.

When I was your age, we used Netscape Navigator.

And we STILL use Netscape Navigator! Even in Lion! And weeeeee liked it!

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post #78 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:28am
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Full web? You kids with your HTML5 and your JavaScript and your Flash and your plugins and extensions.

When I was your age, we used Netscape Navigator.

And we STILL use Netscape Navigator! Even in Lion! And weeeeee liked it!

image: http://i.imgur.com/LdHqu.png

I hope those images use JPEGs because we can't afford to pay CompuServe their licensing fees for GIFs.
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post #79 of 171
11/9/11 at 11:28am
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i thought that not too long ago. if one likes dead batteries, slowness and great potential for being hacked then too bad you are out of luck.

steve was right. die, flash, die.
(and adobe acrobat reader and 'pro' too)

I hope you do not think iDevices are secure. You do realize that instead of making JailbreakMe.com, Comex could had been malicious and made websites to brick every iDevice that visited without warning, right? Fortunately, he turned out to be a good guy.
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11/9/11 at 11:29am
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i am not 'html5 people', i am 'all sh*t software needs to go away people'

You mean like Windows? Once something becomes so ubiquitous and there is no alternative, then it takes a long time for it to fade into obscurity.

You should realize that you are in a very, very small minority of computer users. I would speculate because of the wide acceptance of iOS, most developers are offering alternative and simplified content specifically designed for it. I'm also guessing that most new iPhone buyers are not even aware that it doesn't run Flash because rather than advertise it, that fact is generally swept under the rug by stores selling the iPhone. I would think very few people other than Apple haters go into an Apple store and say to the sales person, 'So I hear iPhone doesn't run Flash'. It is a non-issue. Many novices don't even recognize Flash when they see it. It is just moving things on the web page that are really annoying.

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