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You clearly do not understand what atheism means.

You clearly do not understand that the Marxism you advocate requires even larger level of faith.

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You clearly do not understand what atheism means.

Pretty sure I do. Regardless, I want to state again that I'm not trying to convince you of anything wrt religion or the existence of God. In fact, your belief that my faith in God is a fairytale really doesn't bother me, either. You're more than welcome to have those beliefs.

Where I take issue is the way you mock every person in every thread because, through past discussion, you know he/she believes in God...regardless of what the thread is about. It's reached the level where every argument you make is ad hominem. I can only imagine that were this a Christian making the same kinds of comments about a Muslim, that person would receive a lifetime ban from AI...and would probably get his ass kicked at some point, too.
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Pretty sure I do. Regardless, I want to state again that I'm not trying to convince you of anything wrt religion or the existence of God. In fact, your belief that my faith in God is a fairytale really doesn't bother me, either. You're more than welcome to have those beliefs.

Where I take issue is the way you mock every person in every thread because, through past discussion, you know he/she believes in God...regardless of what the thread is about. It's reached the level where every argument you make is ad hominem. I can only imagine that were this a Christian making the same kinds of comments about a Muslim, that person would receive a lifetime ban from AI...and would probably get his ass kicked at some point, too.

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Pretty sure I do.

By claiming I have religious beliefs, you don't.
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Regardless, I want to state again that I'm not trying to convince you of anything wrt religion or the existence of God. In fact, your belief that my faith in God is a fairytale really doesn't bother me, either. You're more than welcome to have those beliefs.

Where I take issue is the way you mock every person in every thread because, through past discussion, you know he/she believes in God...regardless of what the thread is about. It's reached the level where every argument you make is ad hominem. I can only imagine that were this a Christian making the same kinds of comments about a Muslim, that person would receive a lifetime ban from AI...and would probably get his ass kicked at some point, too.

I only am pointing out hypocrisy when I see it. Stop being a hypocrite so frequently and maybe I wouldn't post so much.

 

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You clearly do not understand that the Marxism you advocate requires even larger level of faith.

BR d I don't support Marxism. You are too simplistic to see or accept levels of grey.
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By claiming I have religious beliefs, you don't.

A matter of perspective. Your belief is that God does not exist. You see no empirical evidence for God existing, which supports your belief system. The ironic part is that you push this belief onto others and demonstrate a lack of tolerance for beliefs that differ with yours. In other words, you're guilty of exactly the kind of dogma and intolerance you despise in, say, evangelical Christians--among others.

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I only am pointing out hypocrisy when I see it. Stop being a hypocrite so frequently and maybe I wouldn't post so much.

I think I just demonstrated that you are the hypocrite, actually. you also haven't answered my questions.
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A matter of perspective. Your belief is that God does not exist. You see no empirical evidence for God existing, which supports your belief system. The ironic part is that you push this belief onto others and demonstrate a lack of tolerance for beliefs that differ with yours. In other words, you're guilty of exactly the kind of dogma and intolerance you despise in, say, evangelical Christians--among others.

Incorrect. I lack a belief in god just as I lack a belief in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich monster eating small children of choosy moms who choose Jif. I am not guilty of any dogma. You are projecting.

 

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BR d I don't support Marxism. You are too simplistic to see or accept levels of grey.

Wrong. You fail to see that on certain matters, like being pregnant, there isn't a shade of gray. What would you call this claim that the 99% must be supported by the 1% and that a central authority must control it all? Class warfare is straight up Marxism.

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By claiming I have religious beliefs, you don't.

I only am pointing out hypocrisy when I see it. Stop being a hypocrite so frequently and maybe I wouldn't post so much.

In addition to being profoundly abusive, your beliefs qualify as religious because you advocate a fallen state and demand a return to utopian state. Regardless of whether you call it a flying spaghetti monster or Jesus, if you believe we had a great natural and pristine state in the past or that you can achieve it in the future, then you are following a religious view. Perfection is great for filling mass graves. Just ask the communists who have killed more for thier religion than any one who ever believed in Mohammad or Jesus.

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Incorrect. I lack a belief in god just as I lack a belief in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich monster eating small children of choosy moms who choose Jif. I am not guilty of any dogma. You are projecting.

You fail to see that you are demanding government programs aka your church be given a tithe aka taxes to solve all of societies ills and problems. This isn't about a social compact for certain agreed upon rights and responsibilities. You are demanding some percentage of people devote their lives to giving others perfection. It isn't fair someone die of cancer, so let's have the 1% solve the problem!

That is begging for a messiah to deliver you to utopia and while denying it all you want, it is indeed a religion.

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Incorrect. I lack a belief in god just as I lack a belief in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich monster eating small children of choosy moms who choose Jif. I am not guilty of any dogma. You are projecting.


I am projecting? By stating I respect your opinion on God's existence? Or by not trying to convince you of my opinion? Rich, BR. Rich.
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I am projecting? By stating I respect your opinion on God's existence? Or by not trying to convince you of my opinion? Rich, BR. Rich.

You forget the part where you are right because you found a very pretty picture with a very snarky quote from someone who in no form or fashion shapes my views.

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Wrong. You fail to see that on certain matters, like being pregnant, there isn't a shade of gray. What would you call this claim that the 99% must be supported by the 1% and that a central authority must control it all? Class warfare is straight up Marxism.

Oh, God, what an idiot. I rest my case on that claim.

With regard to whether BR and I are Marxists, we both fully support Capitalism. One of the unwavering tenets of Marxism is that In order to maximize the productivity of a Socialist society, capitalism should be eliminated. Neither BR or I believe that one bit.

Now go back to your naive, dishonest labels.
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Oh, God, what an idiot. I rest my case on that claim.

With regard to whether BR and I are Marxists, we both fully support Capitalism. One of the unwavering tenets of Marxism is that In order to maximize the productivity of a Socialist society, capitalism should be eliminated. Neither BR or I believe that one bit.

Now go back to your naive, dishonest labels.

You support capitalism as you define it. The exchange and distribution of wealth, you do not believe should be left to private parties be they individuals or corporations. You want this handled by government.

On the thread topic, it appears after all this time nothing substantive has come up about Cain. All the accusations are out of Chicago. Of the women, one clearly attempted the same stunt at her next job and the other has declared bankruptcy twice and clearly needs cash.

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You support capitalism as you define it. The exchange and distribution of wealth, you do not believe should be left to private parties be they individuals or corporations. You want this handled by government.

On the thread topic, it appears after all this time nothing substantive has come up about Cain. All the accusations are out of Chicago. Of the women, one clearly attempted the same stunt at her next job and the other has declared bankruptcy twice and clearly needs cash.

I define capitalism as the accumulation of wealth as a motivation for personal effort. I don't know how the fuck you describe it, but just like you are with your definition of Marxism, it appears that you must be describing it incorrectly, most likely deliberately so to defend your narrow world view.

Intellectual dishonesty.
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I define capitalism as the accumulation of wealth as a motivation for personal effort. I don't know how the fuck you describe it, but just like you are with your definition of Marxism, it appears that you must be describing it incorrectly, most likely deliberately so to defend your narrow world view.

Intellectual dishonesty.

You can define it that way but you'll be in the minority.
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I define capitalism as the accumulation of wealth as a motivation for personal effort. I don't know how the fuck you describe it, but just like you are with your definition of Marxism, it appears that you must be describing it incorrectly, most likely deliberately so to defend your narrow world view.

Intellectual dishonesty.

Yes, because when we ascribe those labels to you and BR, we actually mean that you're a prototypical socialist, like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. </sarcasm>

Intellectual dishonesty, indeed.

Both of you favor higher taxes, more regulation, more social welfare spending, more redistribution, less personal freedom. You support it for the greater good. These are Socialist and Marxist ideas. You don't even know what you are. Or worse, you do.

Intellectual dishonesty.
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You can define it that way but you'll be in the minority.

Dictionaries are for the 1%!

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Yes, because when we ascribe those labels to you and BR, we actually mean that you're a prototypical socialist, like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. </sarcasm>

Intellectual dishonesty, indeed.

Both of you favor higher taxes, more regulation, more social welfare spending, more redistribution, less personal freedom. You support it for the greater good. These are Socialist and Marxist ideas. You don't even know what you are. Or worse, you do.

Intellectual dishonesty.

You didn't call us socialist. You called us Marxist. You did this to hyperbolize what socialism is. It would be pretty much the same thing if I called you an anarchist because you want less regulation. I'll be honest and admit that I have called Jazzguru an anarchist, because he does, pretty much, support the eradication of all government.
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Both of you favor higher taxes, more regulation, more social welfare spending, more redistribution, less personal freedom. You support it for the greater good. These are Socialist and Marxist ideas.

You and Trumptman both support preemptive Military action to enhance national security. These are Nazi ideas. That doesn't mean you are Nazis.
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You do realize that making stuff up to try to put people down about the definition you made up doesn't help your case much.

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You and Trumptman both support preemptive Military action to enhance national security. These are Nazi ideas. That doesn't mean you are Nazis.

And if we were talking about Nazis, you'd support everything except killing jews. Not a Nazi per se, but pretty close.
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And if we were talking about Nazis, you'd support everything except killing jews. Not a Nazi per se, but pretty close.



Right.
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Right.

You support Socialist and Marxist ideas. Many of them. That is all I'm saying.
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post #103 of 189
And you support nazi ideas. Some of them.

Honestly some socialist ideas are good. The Marxist idea of the elimination of capitalism is not a good idea. The Libertarian idea of eliminating socialism is also not a good idea.

Like I said, you guys are unbelievably polarized.
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And you support nazi ideas. Some of them.

Honestly some socialist ideas are good. The Marxist idea of the elimination of capitalism is not a good idea. The Libertarian idea of eliminating socialism is also not a good idea.

Like I said, you guys are unbelievably polarized.

I don't support Nazi ideas. And don't pretend that supporting the invasion of Iraq in the aftermath of 9/11 is the same as blindly supporting pre-emptive war. You look foolish.
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I don't support Nazi ideas. And don't pretend that supporting the invasion of Iraq in the aftermath of 9/11 is the same as blindly supporting pre-emptive war. You look foolish.

Again... As if you're still soooo fucking dense you still can't get it through your head that there was absolutely no connection, even though it's been pounded into your thick skull ten thousand times...

What the FUCK did Iraq have to do with 9/11 except to justify it in a huge lie?

You support preemptive military invasion in the name of national security. Which is one of the main tenets of Naziism. Don't pretend that you don't and don't lie about some 9/11 bullshit connection.

Still waiting for Powell's tell-all book.

Anyway, I could never be Marxist, because I will never support the elimination of capitalism. One cannot be a Marxist without accepting that. I could never be a Libertarian because I will never support the elimination of socialism.

I do consider myself a socialist because I think socially responsible fiscal policy needs to be emphasized over market freedom, in a balance that has been successful in all of the most successful European countries, and which has not been pushed in the not so successful European countries. Go ahead, call me a socialist. But don't hyperbolize and call me a Marxist, because it makes it seem like you either don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or you're just a big liar.
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Again... As if you're still soooo fucking dense you still can't get it through your head that there was absolutely no connection, even though it's been pounded into your thick skull ten thousand times...

What the FUCK did Iraq have to do with 9/11 except to justify it in a huge lie?

You support preemptive military invasion in the name of national security. Which is one of the main tenets of Naziism. Don't pretend that you don't and don't lie about some 9/11 bullshit connection.

Still waiting for Powell's tell-all book.

I've never claimed there was a connection. My position is (and has always been) that after 9/11, our "powers that be" changed their thinking about leaders like Saddam. Whereas pre-9/11 they were willing to keep Saddam in his box, they were no longer willing to take the risk that he might pair with terrorist group of some kind. Saddam was the only world leader (that I know of) that openly praised the attacks, and had a long history or violating the 1991 ceasefire and his WMD disposal agreement.

As for pre-emptive war, I supported this one. First, it wasn't at all unprovoked. Saddam had violated the ceasefire thousands of times. He targeted our aircraft in the No-Fly. He ordered the assassination of former President GHWB. He did not fully cooperate with weapons inspectors over the years, and did not verifiably disarm. Putting that aside, pre-emptive actions are sometimes necessary. That has nothing to do with Naziism. The Nazis wanted pre-emptive war for territorial reasons and to feed the nationalist fervor.

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Anyway, I could never be Marxist, because I will never support the elimination of capitalism. One cannot be a Marxist without accepting that. I could never be a Libertarian because I will never support the elimination of socialism.

I'm not calling you a Marxist.

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I do consider myself a socialist because I think socially responsible fiscal policy needs to be emphasized over market freedom,

Disagree.

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in a balance that has been successful in all of the most successful European countries,

Yeah, that's going great.

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which has not been pushed in the not so successful European countries. [Go ahead, call me a socialist. But don't hyperbolize and call me a Marxist, because it makes it seem like you either don't know what the fuck you're talking about, or you're just a big liar.

Hit a nerve? I'm not calling you either. I'm saying you subscribe to many of their ideas and positions. I think you also live in a fantasy world wrt the success of European economies.
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Just throwing out the reality that nothing has come of these accusations. It was all innuendo and the media frenzy has died down and there is nothing there. The Chicago political machine has hit their mark and believes they've wounded their target enough. Perhaps we will luck out and seen Cain as a VP so Democratic fears and the lies they tell to attempt to negate them will be fully realized.

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Just throwing out the reality that nothing has come of these accusations. It was all innuendo and the media frenzy has died down and there is nothing there. The Chicago political machine has hit their mark and believes they've wounded their target enough. Perhaps we will luck out and seen Cain as a VP so Democratic fears and the lies they tell to attempt to negate them will be fully realized.

Good post. It's clearly bogus, but Axelrod has done his job. Next up is Newt Gingrich. Let the lynching begin....
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Herman Cain wasn't a real candidate anyway. He was playing a trick on all of you.

He quoted Pokemon as a great poet. He borrowed his tax plan from Sim City. He stole the Simpsons movie slogan from President Schwarzenegger. He talked about not needing to know the leader of "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan." He suspended his campaign for several weeks to go on a book tour.

He played ALL OF YOU. He's going to have nice fat paychecks for the foreseeable future because of the media attention he got--speaking fees and perhaps a gig on Fox News.

He played you just like Sarah Palin played you--she cut her term short for personal financial gain and you guys didn't say shit. She cock-teased you with a "is it a campaign tour or is it a vacation" bus tour. She raised MILLIONS through SarahPac under the guise of considering running for president only to say "eh, nah" after she hoodwinked enough sheep into donating.

She made the blueprints. Cain executed them to perfection.

 

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Herman Cain wasn't a real candidate anyway. He was playing a trick on all of you.

It is scary to think that you believe everyone with whom you disagree is stupid. I guess it just makes it that much easier to start putting bullets in them when you feel that need arise.

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Incorrect. I lack a belief in god just as I lack a belief in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich monster eating small children of choosy moms who choose Jif. I am not guilty of any dogma. You are projecting.


Who the hell is Sam Harris?
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Herman Cain wasn't a real candidate anyway. He was playing a trick on all of you.

He quoted Pokemon as a great poet. He borrowed his tax plan from Sim City. He stole the Simpsons movie slogan from President Schwarzenegger. He talked about not needing to know the leader of "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan." He suspended his campaign for several weeks to go on a book tour.

He played ALL OF YOU. He's going to have nice fat paychecks for the foreseeable future because of the media attention he got--speaking fees and perhaps a gig on Fox News.

He played you just like Sarah Palin played you--she cut her term short for personal financial gain and you guys didn't say shit. She cock-teased you with a "is it a campaign tour or is it a vacation" bus tour. She raised MILLIONS through SarahPac under the guise of considering running for president only to say "eh, nah" after she hoodwinked enough sheep into donating.

She made the blueprints. Cain executed them to perfection.


So cain is a phony all long you are telling us.
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Herman Cain wasn't a real candidate anyway. He was playing a trick on all of you.

He quoted Pokemon as a great poet. He borrowed his tax plan from Sim City. He stole the Simpsons movie slogan from President Schwarzenegger. He talked about not needing to know the leader of "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan." He suspended his campaign for several weeks to go on a book tour.

He played ALL OF YOU. He's going to have nice fat paychecks for the foreseeable future because of the media attention he got--speaking fees and perhaps a gig on Fox News.

He played you just like Sarah Palin played you--she cut her term short for personal financial gain and you guys didn't say shit. She cock-teased you with a "is it a campaign tour or is it a vacation" bus tour. She raised MILLIONS through SarahPac under the guise of considering running for president only to say "eh, nah" after she hoodwinked enough sheep into donating.

She made the blueprints. Cain executed them to perfection.


Post # 5,678 with a personal attack. Congrats! Tell you what, BR...let's assume you're right...that Cain was never a real candidate. How does that reflect badly on me or any other conservative member of AI? I never supported him. I never campaigned for him. I never endorsed him, or contributed to him. Why is it my responsibility to say something?
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Funny how clearly you can hear the crickets.

I'm not so bothered by the affair, honestly. It's this I have a problem with: "I did no wrongdoing."
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- “Even when we were supporting Cain, a lot of us were supporting Gingrich behind his back,”

Seriously though, that Cain git had "flawed" written all over him.
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Funny how clearly you can hear the crickets.

I'm not so bothered by the affair, honestly. It's this I have a problem with: "I did no wrongdoing."

Considering nothing has been proven about the alleged affair, should you really have a problem with it?

The pattern of these accusers is rather curious. All appear to have serial accusations, indicating a pattern and almost all appear to have massive money problems. To compound this particular accusation her former alleged lesbian lover declares she never mentioned him in 13 years.


He hasn't dropped out. What is clear is Cain knows he can't continue without cash and the media is clearly airing allegations they wouldn't air if this were a Democrat. Any public figure has to have all sorts of strangeness pop up in terms of allegations and weirdos making them. The difference between them and Cain is that the Liberal Media Complex will air them no matter how obscure, improbable or crazy they sound.

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Considering nothing has been proven about the alleged affair, should you really have a problem with it?

The pattern of these accusers is rather curious. All appear to have serial accusations, indicating a pattern and almost all appear to have massive money problems. To compound this particular accusation her former alleged lesbian lover declares she never mentioned him in 13 years.



He hasn't dropped out. What is clear is Cain knows he can't continue without cash and the media is clearly airing allegations they wouldn't air if this were a Democrat. Any public figure has to have all sorts of strangeness pop up in terms of allegations and weirdos making them. The difference between them and Cain is that the Liberal Media Complex will air them no matter how obscure, improbable or crazy they sound.

Says the man who brought up Juanita Broddrick? Seriously!?
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Funny how clearly you can hear the crickets.

I'm not so bothered by the affair, honestly. It's this I have a problem with: "I did no wrongdoing."

He feels that he has no guilt at all by doing what he was involved in with these sexual allegations and affairs he had supposedly.This man is gone by this week you will see.
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Says the man who brought up Juanita Broddrick? Seriously!?

That's seriously your response to posting a claim that he's dropped out when he hasn't and declaring you don't have trouble with these ridiculously unproven and questionable claims?

How many women do you think file multiple harassment suits at different employers in their lifetimes?
How many of these same women have filed bankruptcy one or multiple times?

The pattern is pretty darn clear and if the news organizations cared to follow up or investigate, they'd see that there's a payoff happening somewhere here.

Cain accuser Sharon Bialek faces eviction

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According to a sheriff's spokesman, the action is a forcible eviction for non-payment of rent filed by her landlord, $7,500 that Bialek owes in back rent. Earlier this month the I-Team reported that Bialek had twice filed for bankruptcy and was facing numerous current liens.

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