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I understand the importance of the Occupy Movement.

I also see why in various cities around the world they've been pretty harsh about people camping in public. There's concerns for security and a lot of other things we take for granted living in regular housing.

I propose the Occupy Movement rethink and refocus on the next stage, and to disband the camping but organise rallies and marches maybe continually once a month for the next few months.
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Disagree. The dedication of not leaving despite the attempts to kick them out is what truly shows how serious they are about change.

 

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post #3 of 19
They should move alright. They should move from Wall Street to Congress, since it is Freddie and Fannie that started the crisis. Only in the US, supposedly the home of the free, if there such big government involvement in housing. In Canada, Australia and UK home loans are a private thing between people and their bank.
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They should move alright. They should move from Wall Street to Congress, since it is Freddie and Fannie that started the crisis. Only in the US, supposedly the home of the free, if there such big government involvement in housing. In Canada, Australia and UK home loans are a private thing between people and their bank.

You make a good point BUT those counties didn't have a housing crisis so THERE!


Fan/Fred TO THIS DAY are getting tens of billions bailout money. Past time to sell them off and end all GSEs.
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I understand the importance of the Occupy Movement.

I also see why in various cities around the world they've been pretty harsh about people camping in public. There's concerns for security and a lot of other things we take for granted living in regular housing.

I propose the Occupy Movement rethink and refocus on the next stage, and to disband the camping but organise rallies and marches maybe continually once a month for the next few months.

There has to be a real leader throughout these rallies not just anyone who yells and protests.There should be organization and real objectives in mind. Rethink that is the key word to this and really know what the hell you want from this movement.
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There has to be a real leader throughout these rallies not just anyone who yells and protests.There should be organization and real objectives in mind. Rethink that is the key word to this and really know what the hell you want from this movement.

Why? The "Tea Party" is not organized that way and have had a real impact on politics. If anything the Occupy movement needs to focus on a couple of issues and not spread their energy so thin. Their other problem is focusing on the private sector. The only way citizens can effect change is via politics. Making demands on private entities is unproductive.
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Disagree. The dedication of not leaving despite the attempts to kick them out is what truly shows how serious they are about change.

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I understand the importance of the Occupy Movement.

The Occupy "Movement" has no importance. The only reason anyone has even paid it any attention is because the liberal media complex has spent so much time on it. The professional protesters along with the perma-homeless stand for almost nothing and have achieved less than nothing.

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I also see why in various cities around the world they've been pretty harsh about people camping in public. There's concerns for security and a lot of other things we take for granted living in regular housing.

It has nothing to do with camping. It's entirely possible to achieve zero footprint camping. The reality is all these problems occur because unlike anything else that would be using these facilities, this group exempts themselves from the normal rules of reality. If any other group was holding a mass protest or gathering, they'd have to rent porta-johns. They'd have to pay for the use of the facilities. Occupy believes that they are above such things and since most of their "demands" amount to living life for free on someone else's dime, it's easy to understand how things are turning out the way they have.
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I propose the Occupy Movement rethink and refocus on the next stage, and to disband the camping but organise rallies and marches maybe continually once a month for the next few months.

I propose the group face up to the fact that no one is going to pay them to be permanent students who never really have to work and instead can ponder the positive social implications of Latino Activist Poetry.

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Disagree. The dedication of not leaving despite the attempts to kick them out is what truly shows how serious they are about change.

Being an perma-homless person doesn't show anyone is serious about anything. Sleeping in a tent and getting three meals a day served to you proves nothing.

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The Occupy "Movement" has no importance. The only reason anyone has even paid it any attention is because the liberal media complex has spent so much time on it. The professional protesters along with the perma-homeless stand for almost nothing and have achieved less than nothing.



It has nothing to do with camping. It's entirely possible to achieve zero footprint camping. The reality is all these problems occur because unlike anything else that would be using these facilities, this group exempts themselves from the normal rules of reality. If any other group was holding a mass protest or gathering, they'd have to rent porta-johns. They'd have to pay for the use of the facilities. Occupy believes that they are above such things and since most of their "demands" amount to living life for free on someone else's dime, it's easy to understand how things are turning out the way they have.


I propose the group face up to the fact that no one is going to pay them to be permanent students who never really have to work and instead can ponder the positive social implications of Latino Activist Poetry.



Being an perma-homless person doesn't show anyone is serious about anything. Sleeping in a tent and getting three meals a day served to you proves nothing.

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The Occupy "Movement" has no importance. The only reason anyone has even paid it any attention is because the liberal media complex has spent so much time on it.


BZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! I'm sorry but you got that one wrong! They do get noticed and have importance because there's a lot of them. And they're organized. And they're blocking the parks and the streets. People would notice even if the news didn't report it. That's the whole reason people protest. Plus you're lumping all of these people together. They aren't all homeless! Geez!. Your take on all of this is so far from the reality I wonder if you're even from the same planet. Get real trumpy.
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post #10 of 19
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Disagree. The dedication of not leaving despite the attempts to kick them out is what truly shows how serious they are about change.

I just wanted to repost this again to let it simmer. And for the laugh.

They are not serious about change. They are an eclectic group of malcontents. You've got union thugs, anarchists, marxists, socialists, peaceniks, drug addicts and 20 somethings with an entitlement mentality. You've also got a few "regular" folks that are caught up in the whole thing. The protest has no clear goals or agenda. Their tent cities have become a purpose in themselves. They are protesting because that's what they do. The rest of America is out looking for a job, working already and trying to make ends meet.
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post #11 of 19
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I just wanted to repost this again to let it simmer. And for the laugh.

They are not serious about change. They are an eclectic group of malcontents. You've got union thugs, anarchists, marxists, socialists, peaceniks, drug addicts and 20 somethings with an entitlement mentality. You've also got a few "regular" folks that are caught up in the whole thing. The protest has no clear goals or agenda. Their tent cities have become a purpose in themselves. They are protesting because that's what they do. The rest of America is out looking for a job, working already and trying to make ends meet.

Ah, yet they have inspired a reasonably significant worldwide movement and awareness.

That's why I suggest they refocus now with all the momentum on the idea of "Occupy". For they started out to just occupy physical space but they now occupy mindshare and social media share as well.

The Occupy movement goes beyond just those doing the physical camping.

Now for the next stage.
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Ah, yet they have inspired a reasonably significant worldwide movement and awareness.

That's why I suggest they refocus now with all the momentum on the idea of "Occupy". For they started out to just occupy physical space but they now occupy mindshare and social media share as well.

The Occupy movement goes beyond just those doing the physical camping.

Now for the next stage.


The next stage of what?.
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I just wanted to repost this again to let it simmer. And for the laugh.

They are not serious about change. They are an eclectic group of malcontents. You've got union thugs, anarchists, marxists, socialists, peaceniks, drug addicts and 20 somethings with an entitlement mentality. You've also got a few "regular" folks that are caught up in the whole thing. The protest has no clear goals or agenda. Their tent cities have become a purpose in themselves. They are protesting because that's what they do. The rest of America is out looking for a job, working already and trying to make ends meet.

Actually, this is bullshit. Most of the people involved are honest, hardworking, principled people who believe that a strong social safety net is vital to the success of a modern society, and that the efforts of a few greedy people are undermining our country's ability to provide what needs to be provided. They also believe selfish people and a broken system are undermining corporations' ability to provide jobs for more people and a reasonable wage for people who work hard, because those corporations are tailoring the flow of money for the benefit of the few.
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The next stage of what?.

Our Velvet Revolution.
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Actually, this is bullshit. Most of the people involved are honest, hardworking, principled people who believe that a strong social safety net is vital to the success of a modern society, and that the efforts of a few greedy people are undermining our country's ability to provide what needs to be provided. They also believe selfish people and a broken system are undermining corporations' ability to provide jobs for more people and a reasonable wage for people who work hard, because those corporations are tailoring the flow of money for the benefit of the few.

But all of the Tea Partiers are racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, redneck, militants. Right?

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Chris Hedges nails it. This is really the crux of the issue... the deniers will deny, and the status quo supporters will cry foul, but that won't change the reality.

Extracted: (emphasis mine)

Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future.

Our decaying corporate regime has strutted in Portland, Oakland and New York with their baton-wielding cops into a fool’s paradise. They think they can clean up “the mess”—always employing the language of personal hygiene and public security—by making us disappear. They think we will all go home and accept their corporate nation, a nation where crime and government policy have become indistinguishable, where nothing in America, including the ordinary citizen, is deemed by those in power worth protecting or preserving, where corporate oligarchs awash in hundreds of millions of dollars are permitted to loot and pillage the last shreds of collective wealth, human capital and natural resources, a nation where the poor do not eat and workers do not work, a nation where the sick die and children go hungry, a nation where the consent of the governed and the voice of the people is a cruel joke.

Get back into your cages, they are telling us. Return to watching the lies, absurdities, trivia and celebrity gossip we feed you in 24-hour cycles on television. Invest your emotional energy in the vast system of popular entertainment. Run up your credit card debt. Pay your loans. Be thankful for the scraps we toss. Chant back to us our phrases about democracy, greatness and freedom. Vote in our rigged political theater. Send your young men and women to fight and die in useless, unwinnable wars that provide corporations with huge profits. Stand by mutely as our bipartisan congressional supercommittee, either through consensus or cynical dysfunction, plunges you into a society without basic social services including unemployment benefits. Pay for the crimes of Wall Street.

The rogues’ gallery of Wall Street crooks, such as Lloyd Blankfein at Goldman Sachs, Howard Milstein at New York Private Bank & Trust, the media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers and Jamie Dimon at JPMorgan Chase & Co., no doubt think it’s over. They think it is back to the business of harvesting what is left of America to swell their personal and corporate fortunes. But they no longer have any concept of what is happening around them. They are as mystified and clueless about these uprisings as the courtiers at Versailles or in the Forbidden City who never understood until the very end that their world was collapsing. The billionaire mayor of New York, enriched by a deregulated Wall Street, is unable to grasp why people would spend two months sleeping in an open park and marching on banks. He says he understands that the Occupy protests are “cathartic” and “entertaining,” as if demonstrating against the pain of being homeless and unemployed is a form of therapy or diversion, but that it is time to let the adults handle the affairs of state. Democratic and Republican mayors, along with their parties, have sold us out. But for them this is the beginning of the end.


Full article here.
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Chris Hedges nails it. This is really the crux of the issue... the deniers will deny, and the status quo supporters will cry foul, but that won't change the reality.

Extracted: (emphasis mine)

Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future.

Our decaying corporate regime has strutted in Portland, Oakland and New York with their baton-wielding cops into a fools paradise. They think they can clean up the messalways employing the language of personal hygiene and public securityby making us disappear. They think we will all go home and accept their corporate nation, a nation where crime and government policy have become indistinguishable, where nothing in America, including the ordinary citizen, is deemed by those in power worth protecting or preserving, where corporate oligarchs awash in hundreds of millions of dollars are permitted to loot and pillage the last shreds of collective wealth, human capital and natural resources, a nation where the poor do not eat and workers do not work, a nation where the sick die and children go hungry, a nation where the consent of the governed and the voice of the people is a cruel joke.

Get back into your cages, they are telling us. Return to watching the lies, absurdities, trivia and celebrity gossip we feed you in 24-hour cycles on television. Invest your emotional energy in the vast system of popular entertainment. Run up your credit card debt. Pay your loans. Be thankful for the scraps we toss. Chant back to us our phrases about democracy, greatness and freedom. Vote in our rigged political theater. Send your young men and women to fight and die in useless, unwinnable wars that provide corporations with huge profits. Stand by mutely as our bipartisan congressional supercommittee, either through consensus or cynical dysfunction, plunges you into a society without basic social services including unemployment benefits. Pay for the crimes of Wall Street.

The rogues gallery of Wall Street crooks, such as Lloyd Blankfein at Goldman Sachs, Howard Milstein at New York Private Bank & Trust, the media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers and Jamie Dimon at JPMorgan Chase & Co., no doubt think its over. They think it is back to the business of harvesting what is left of America to swell their personal and corporate fortunes. But they no longer have any concept of what is happening around them. They are as mystified and clueless about these uprisings as the courtiers at Versailles or in the Forbidden City who never understood until the very end that their world was collapsing. The billionaire mayor of New York, enriched by a deregulated Wall Street, is unable to grasp why people would spend two months sleeping in an open park and marching on banks. He says he understands that the Occupy protests are cathartic and entertaining, as if demonstrating against the pain of being homeless and unemployed is a form of therapy or diversion, but that it is time to let the adults handle the affairs of state. Democratic and Republican mayors, along with their parties, have sold us out. But for them this is the beginning of the end.


Full article here.
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Why? The "Tea Party" is not organized that way and have had a real impact on politics. If anything the Occupy movement needs to focus on a couple of issues and not spread their energy so thin. Their other problem is focusing on the private sector. The only way citizens can effect change is via politics. Making demands on private entities is unproductive.

The Tea party does not have filthy vermin who spit on the police, do not obey the laws, and truthfully these people in the Tea Party are working individuals not lazy bums who just bitch and not even trying to get a job. OWS has no focus and no real objectives behind them.
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Originally Posted by sammi jo View Post

Chris Hedges nails it. This is really the crux of the issue... the deniers will deny, and the status quo supporters will cry foul, but that won't change the reality.

Extracted: (emphasis mine)

Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future.

Our decaying corporate regime has strutted in Portland, Oakland and New York with their baton-wielding cops into a fools paradise. They think they can clean up the messalways employing the language of personal hygiene and public securityby making us disappear. They think we will all go home and accept their corporate nation, a nation where crime and government policy have become indistinguishable, where nothing in America, including the ordinary citizen, is deemed by those in power worth protecting or preserving, where corporate oligarchs awash in hundreds of millions of dollars are permitted to loot and pillage the last shreds of collective wealth, human capital and natural resources, a nation where the poor do not eat and workers do not work, a nation where the sick die and children go hungry, a nation where the consent of the governed and the voice of the people is a cruel joke.

Get back into your cages, they are telling us. Return to watching the lies, absurdities, trivia and celebrity gossip we feed you in 24-hour cycles on television. Invest your emotional energy in the vast system of popular entertainment. Run up your credit card debt. Pay your loans. Be thankful for the scraps we toss. Chant back to us our phrases about democracy, greatness and freedom. Vote in our rigged political theater. Send your young men and women to fight and die in useless, unwinnable wars that provide corporations with huge profits. Stand by mutely as our bipartisan congressional supercommittee, either through consensus or cynical dysfunction, plunges you into a society without basic social services including unemployment benefits. Pay for the crimes of Wall Street.

The rogues gallery of Wall Street crooks, such as Lloyd Blankfein at Goldman Sachs, Howard Milstein at New York Private Bank & Trust, the media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers and Jamie Dimon at JPMorgan Chase & Co., no doubt think its over. They think it is back to the business of harvesting what is left of America to swell their personal and corporate fortunes. But they no longer have any concept of what is happening around them. They are as mystified and clueless about these uprisings as the courtiers at Versailles or in the Forbidden City who never understood until the very end that their world was collapsing. The billionaire mayor of New York, enriched by a deregulated Wall Street, is unable to grasp why people would spend two months sleeping in an open park and marching on banks. He says he understands that the Occupy protests are cathartic and entertaining, as if demonstrating against the pain of being homeless and unemployed is a form of therapy or diversion, but that it is time to let the adults handle the affairs of state. Democratic and Republican mayors, along with their parties, have sold us out. But for them this is the beginning of the end.


Full article here.

Glad you posted this. It demonstrates exactly the kind of nutbag, socialist, marxist, collectivist thinking that we're dealing with in this movement. Tear down the system! Death to corporations! Death to the rich who are raping the "collective wealth!" It's a thinking that 99% (yes, THAT 99%!!) of America thinks is 1) Insane and 2) Antithetical to the American tradition. It's a more spread out version of the G20 protests. Meanwhile, all of it is recorded and posted online via the creations of Capitalism itself...iphones, iPads, MacBooks, websites that need capital to run, newspapers and TV that rely on corporate advertisers. It shows why this "movement" is doomed. It has no realistic, clear message for change. There are but a few "members" that call for ending corruption, bailouts and crony capitalism. But their message is lost among the riff raff---the people that have always wanted to destroy the profit-motive system, individual freedom, the military, national borders, the limits of the Constitution, and really...America itself.

The real 99% are out there looking for a job, working two or three jobs, feeding their families, and voting for people they think will return this country to prosperity through returning to its roots of limited government and maximum personal freedom.
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