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A new poll of mobile developers has found that nearly all are interested in developing for Apple's iPad, while the still-unreleased Amazon Kindle Fire is already the second-most-popular Android device among developers worldwide.

The new data, from Appcelerator and IDC, comes from a survey of more than 2,000 developers conducted earlier this month. Of those polled, 91 percent said they are "very interested" in developing for the iPhone, while 88 percent indicated the same for the iPad.

Both of those numbers make Apple the market leader, but the iPad's lead is far more pronounced as Apple's touchscreen tablet continues to dominate sales in the market. Among non-iPad tablets, the survey found that the Samsung Galaxy Tab is the most popular device to develop for, but finishing just behind it was the Amazon Kindle Fire.

Worldwide, 43 percent of developers said they are very interested in crafting software for Amazon's new touchscreen tablet, compared to 56 percent for the Samsung Galaxy Tab. But in America, the Kindle Fire actually edged the Galaxy Tab, 49 percent to 48 percent.

Though the Kindle Fire is based on Android, it's a heavily modified version of Google's mobile operating system that aims to smooth out any rough edges with the software, and also looks to push sales of content through Amazon. With the Kindle Fire, users will be able to buy movies, TV shows, books and music direct through Amazon, as well as applications from the Amazon-controlled "Appstore."



The interest of developers in the Kindle Fire, as well as divisions between it and other Android-powered tablets, could further fuel speculation that Amazon's new tablet will only further fragment the Android platform. Apple executives indicated earlier this month that they are not concerned about the $199 Kindle Fire, as they believe it will shake up the Android-based tablet landscape rather than directly compete with the iPad.

The Amazon Kindle Fire will be available on Tuesday, and is the online retailer's first color touchscreen device. Reviewers began offering their take on the device earlier Monday, and most said they felt the device was priced right at $199, but that it would not be able to compete with Apple's more powerful, larger and more full-featured iPad lineup.
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The Fire looks like a home run. Will Apple respond, or just let Amazon and B&N run with the low end?
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Noone even has a Kindle yet but it already leads Samsung and is crowned King of the Droids. Amazon is doing everything right. Especially it's Wyspersync- no one can touch it.
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The Fire looks like a home run. Will Apple respond, or just let Amazon and B&N run with the low end?

I don't think Apple can respond to an device which is basically an e- reader plus. Amazon has already won the e-reader crown. An iPad is probably least known and useful as an e-reader to most - mostly due to the higher costs of its books and lack of compatibility with not only other devices but even Apple's OWN devices. i.e. there is no Wyspersync, and no iBooks on a Mac.
Amazon truly rules the e-book world.
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The Fire looks like a home run. Will Apple respond, or just let Amazon and B&N run with the low end?

I predict a ~5'' iPod touch.
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And here I was told that nobody is interested in a tablet form factor smaller then the iPad.
There must be a flaw with this survey.

Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

Ask Rovio Mobile how 'fragmentation' has hurt their bottom line... lol
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The poll shows how many people are very interested in developing for the Kindle Fire. I think that is meaningless. What really matters is how many of those people won't lose that interest and will actually go on to develop for the Kindle Fire. Any salesman can tell you that the number of people who buy is less than the number of people who are interested.
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I predict a ~5'' iPod touch.

I agree.
There is obviously demand for something in between the iPod and iPad.
The Air in a tablet form factor and lower price would be huge.
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And here I was told that nobody is interested in a tablet form factor smaller then the iPad.
There must be a flaw with this survey.

Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

Ask Rovio Mobile how 'fragmentation' has hurt their bottom line... lol

BMW really needs to bring a Toyota Yaris competitor. Think about that for a moment.

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Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

And may I add the consumer I daresay doesn't give a rats bottom about iOS5 or Android. They just want something that works and does what they want it to do. In the tablet world it's read, mail, and movies. And android has been dying over $500+ units because they have to compete with Apple and use a lousy ecosystem.

Now with the Amazon unit, consumers have a choice between paying $500 and getting shiny Apple, or $200 for a not as shiny, but gets the content/actvities, they will most likely use.
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And here I was told that nobody is interested in a tablet form factor smaller then the iPad.
There must be a flaw with this survey.

Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

Ask Rovio Mobile how 'fragmentation' has hurt their bottom line... lol

It makes perfect sense for companies to try "tweener" devices (between the size of a phone and a "full-sized" tablet). That doesn't mean it's smart for Apple to introduce one, and doesn't mean it's a good size in general.

Having said that, Amazon can afford to sell them cheaply (for a loss, hoping to make up for it in Kindle sales and the $79/year thing) and gets invaluable "free" advertising on their home page. So developers are rightly predicting that Amazon will likely sell a ton of them. Ergo, it's a platform I'd be interested in developing for--if I were a droid developer.
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This is good for the market. When Apple created the iPad it made a hole. That hole is now trying to be filled with all sorts of pad devices. If the Fire takes off and gains a foothold, then I see this a good healthy competition.
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

And here I was told that nobody is interested in a tablet form factor smaller then the iPad.
There must be a flaw with this survey.

Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

Ask Rovio Mobile how 'fragmentation' has hurt their bottom line... lol

Who told you that? Are you referring to Jobs saying that through extensive mockups and testing they found that the ~10" tablet form factor was ideal? Is that you're basing your assumption on?

What makes you think Apple can't or won't release a 5-7" IPod Touch. That's a PMP, not a tablet, just as the Kindle Fire isn't a bona fide tablet but an eReader with PMP functionality that exceeds the Kindle eInk devices that preceded it.

Your next might be to quote Jobs regarding shaving your fingers down to use a smaller tablet, but that's because you've failed to note the iPhone and iPod Touch are 3.5" 3:2 displays that are 1/8th the area of the iPad's display. The point is to make the main I/O ideal for its use, hence we have iOS for the iPhone/Touch, iPad and even the AppleTV.
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The Fire looks like a home run. Will Apple respond, or just let Amazon and B&N run with the low end?

Apple iPad came in at or below what most competitors could match. Now the bottom-of-the-barrel folks are coming out with substandard devices in a desperate attempt to undercut Apple's price. Very early reviews show the Fire is not what Amazon thinks it is. Keep spinning it you normally do with your posts.

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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

And here I was told that nobody is interested in a tablet form factor smaller then the iPad.
There must be a flaw with this survey.

Beating the 'fragmentation' drum isn't going to work as a PR strategy.
Where some see 'fragmentation' others see 'choice' and 'options' and 30% more profit.

Ask Rovio Mobile how 'fragmentation' has hurt their bottom line... lol

The flaw is in your assessment. This device isn't even out yet for real-world testing yet. Wait and see if there really is a market for it.

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I agree.
There is obviously demand for something in between the iPod and iPad.
The Air in a tablet form factor and lower price would be huge.

Only way the players can price tablets less than Apple is to shortchange the hardware and size. There will always be a segment that will focus on price, and price alone. How many times has SJ said that it is a market they don't want to compete in? I lost track. If the rest of the industry wants to fight for scraps, let them. I think this will be yet another has-been player once the usability of the device outside of an e-reader comes into question. Spending $200 on what I think will be junk is just wasteful if in the end they burn through their hard-earned money and time and had just purchased an iPad. But hey, that's the nature of the electronics industry. Let's fill up those landfills even more.
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Think back to when the first Android tablets were launched a year ago running Froyo. They had no tablet apps... and everyone said "wait for Honeycomb... then the tablet apps will come"

Now that's shifted to "wait for Ice Cream Sandwich... THAT'S when the tablet apps will come"

Did Android developers purposely sit out the Honeycomb round waiting for ICS?

And now with the Kindle Fire thrown in the mix... is that the next great platform for developers?
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Kindle Fre reviews are coming in today. I hope AI does a review round up. It's not looking good from many HW and SW engineering standpoints. The typical response seems to be "Well, it's not bad for $200."

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Think back to when the first Android tablets were launched a year ago running Froyo. They had no tablet apps... and everyone said "wait for Honeycomb... then the tablet apps will come"

Now that's shifted to "wait for Ice Cream Sandwich... THAT'S when the tablet apps will come"

Did Android developers purposely sit out the Honeycomb round waiting for ICS?

And now with the Kindle Fire thrown in the mix... is that the next great platform for developers?

Since day one Fandroids have been saying "Sooon…." You're better off waiting for Godot.
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The Fire looks like a home run. Will Apple respond, or just let Amazon and B&N run with the low end?

Apple has never been interested in the "low end." Why would they start now? The Fire is not an iPad competitor. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge would know that. The analysts apparently do. It's the same with the low end of the Android smartphone market. They may sell a lot of them but those users weren't going to buy a premium device in the first place. The "cheapest" crowd has never been Apple's constituency anyway.

I think this "will the Fire kill the iPad" is just blathering by the pundits to keep the page clicks going.
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Although Apple doesn't see the Fire as a threat, the fact that the Fire has a color screen and does apps & media tells me that it _is_ in fact trying to compete with the iPad.

I think a safer bet for Amazon would've been to continue the Kindle line as a strict black & white e-reader, making it ever cheaper and power efficient with each iteration.

As it stands now, the Fire will attract the reading consumer and the iPad will attract the web-browsing, gaming consumer. There's some overlap among their target audience, but it's not exactly head-to-head IMO.
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Although Apple doesn't see the Fire as a threat, the fact that the Fire has a color screen and does apps & media tells me that it _is_ in fact trying to compete with the iPad.

That and their full-page ads on the back of magazines with the tagline, "All the content, half the price."

And then a pronounced "$199" in the bottom corner.

They don't sell a single thing twice its price, so it's obvious they're trying to directly compete with the iPad.

Trying.

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BMW really needs to bring a Toyota Yaris competitor. Think about that for a moment.

but they do, its called the Mini Cooper
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Kindle Fre reviews are coming in today. I hope AI does a review round up. It's not looking good from many HW and SW engineering standpoints. The typical response seems to be "Well, it's not bad for $200."

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Since day one Fandroids have been saying "Sooon…." You're better off waiting for Godot.

"Soooon!!!" has doomed any android tablet in my book, I have an android phone, but will be getting a iPad soon, these Android tablets are at most a down right joke and a disgrace if you ask me.
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The Fire looks like a home run.

It looks like a piece of shit. Half the size of an iPad, unacceptable screen size for reading or doing anything useful at all on it. Laggy, choppy, unsmooth inferior and unacceptable performance for anybody born with 2 eyes. Pathetic RAM size. No camera, no mic, no volume buttons! It runs the piece of shit Android OS. It's not even true multitouch!

I pity the fools who dare say that this is a good tablet. If you're broke and you need a tablet for $200, then go ahead and get one, just admit the real reason behind your purchase. Don't come here and say good things about this piece of junk.
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Forgot your medication today?

The NYT had some not nice things to say about it too, and so did other reviewers.

Taps sometimes dont register. There are no progress or wait indicators, so you frequently dont know if the machine has even registered your touch commands. The momentum of the animations hasnt been calculated right, so the whole thing feels ornery."

I also saw a video of it on engadget. It was very unresponsive and many times the guy clicked on something and nothing happened. The comics app also looked tiny on that small screen.

It's basically a mini-tablet for poor people and people who do not mind shit performance.
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A new poll of mobile developers has found that nearly all are interested in developing for Apple's iPad, while the still-unreleased Amazon Kindle Fire is already the second-most-popular Android device among developers worldwide.

The new data, from Appcelerator and IDC, comes from a survey of more than 2,000 developers conducted earlier this month. Of those polled, 91 percent said they are "very interested" in developing for the iPhone, while 88 percent indicated the same for the iPad.

[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ][/c]

This survey is misleading because it is a survey of Appcelerator clients which are almost entirely non iOS developers according to this comment from nine month's ago about a previous Appcelerator /IDC survey

" mrrtmrrt


These survey results are not at all representative of iOS developers as a whole as the vast majority use Apple's Xcode to write iOS apps, not the software sold by the company that ran this survey.

Appcelerator's survey subjects are part of a small minority of developers who are using the Appcelerator Titanium cross-platform development tools which are used in 4,000 iOS apps, which amounts to only 1-2% of the 300,000 apps in the App Store. Not that long ago, Appcelerator was banned from the iOS App store as were other cross-platform environments so what is surprising is that these particular devs were not far more negative towards Apple.

A previous study a few months back by AppStore HQ of every published iPhone, iPad and Android developer currently in the Apple App Store or Android Market demonstrated that there is only a tiny percentage of developers engaged writing software for both Android and iOS:

iOS developers = 43,185
Android developers = 10,199
iOS & Android devs = 1,412

As only 3% of iOS developers target both iOS and Android, it is quite inappropriate to assume that these cross-platform Appcelerator customers represent the views of the much larger iOS development community.

By buying Appcelerator's software these developers were already planning on developing cross-platform and thus represent a completely biased sample which cannot be extrapolated to the rest of the iOS dev community.

Other data strongly suggests the opposite of what Appcelerator reports - that iOS continues to garner far more dev interest than Android because that is where the money is. For example, Larva Labs found that "Overall we estimate that $6,000,000 has been paid out to developers for games, and $15,000,000 has been paid out on apps. That is a total of $21,000,000, nearly 1/50th the amount paid out to devs on iPhone. This really indicates how much of a cottage industry the paid Android Market remains, with insufficient sales numbers to warrant full-time labor for paid content."

Then there is AppBrain's findings that over 45,000 of the 100,000 apps in the Android Marketplace are spam apps.

As such, these survey results are not very useful at all."

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"Developer survey finds iPad domination, growing interest in Kindle Fire"

Thank you Captain Obvious.
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"Developer survey finds iPad domination, growing interest in Kindle Fire"

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Like half the other articles posted on Appleinsider
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