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A report from Korea this week that was published and quickly pulled claimed that LG is in discussions with Apple to supply screens for a new "iPad mini" with a smaller screen, as well as a sixth-generation iPhone with a larger display.

The initial report was published this week by The Korea Times, but the story has since disappeared. Before it was pulled, a few other publications (1, 2) picked up on the story to reveal the details.

Citing an anonymous source, the Times initially reported that Apple is working on both a smaller iPad, with a 7.35-inch screen, and a larger iPhone, with a 4-inch display. The Cupertino, Calif., company was said to have planned talks with display maker LG in the coming days about a potential deal for LCD displays.

The source reportedly said that the next, sixth-generation iPhone will have the same screen resolution as the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S, despite being a half-inch larger. It was said that utilizing the same resolution was seen as "the right solution to offer value" at a lower price.

That the report was apparently pulled from the Times website, in addition to the fact that its details came from an anonymous source, means the details should be taken in perspective. But some of the details to align with continued reports that Apple is working on a new iPhone with a slightly larger screen than the current iPhone display.



Those rumors led some to hope that the 2011 iPhone would feature a completely redesigned look, which led to some initial disappointment among enthusiasts when the iPhone 4S was unveiled with the same form factor as its predecessor, the iPhone 4. But since then, rumors of a new iPhone with a larger screen have persisted, despite a lack of hard evidence.

As for a so-called "iPad mini," reports of its existence are also not new. Last month, one report claimed that Apple was looking to counter devices like the new $199 Amazon Kindle Fire with a smaller and less expensive iPad set to be released in early 2012.
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Apple has received world wide acclaim for its current iPad form factor and Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

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Apple has received world wide acclaim for its current iPad form factor and Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

But Steve is no longer running the company...
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But Steve is no longer running the company...

Steve was just talking trash. Nothing wrong with a smaller iPad. Apple just wasn't ready to release one at that time. Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

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But fragmentation is still a problem, and Apple still already makes a mini-tablet: the iPod Touch.

Im certain that larger, and probably smaller, iOS tablets are coming. Eventually. Because iOS is the future for more and more tasks, as Macs slowly become trucks over time. Well have multiple sizes as the market reaches the scale where meeting a real need is worth more than the fragmentation problem.

But its a question of time, and I dont think theres a need for a 7-inch tablet yet (not even because theyre cheap). I predict that Apple feels the same way, without or without Steve.

I also guarantee they have all KINDS of iOS variations in the labs, and even in manufacturing tests; planning ahead as they did with the Intel-switch backup plan, so that if/when they decide to move, theyre ready. If Apple sees 7 tablets as unnecessary now, but in 2012 things look different, theyll be ready.

I for one think all kinds of sizes/shapes are cool, and I want one of each! At the end of the day, though, my pocket-size iPhone and paper-size iPad meet all my needs better than 7 medium-small option could.
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But Steve is no longer running the company...

This would have been well underway before Steve's departure.

A rationale around his finger-filing doctrine:

1) You don't make your first all-purpose tablet 7 inches.

2) Once you've established the validity of a highly portable, keyboardless computer, and shown that a certain form factor gives rise to surprising uses -- for example, lying-on-the-couch chest computing -- you realize that there might be devices with other common niche applications -- for example, a coat-pocket computer for watching movies when you're standing in line or on the train.

3) We can make a 7-inch computer that you can talk to instead of using those fat fingers you were born with.

Edit: should it be "on line and in the train" for those who speak East Coast?

Edit 2: we also have to consider, like it or not, that Apple has to make a move into 3D, an area where LG has some expertise. Pixar needs portable 3D screens already, never mind the future.
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The 7" tablet market is crowded, Apple should make 6" tablet, if they are ever considering an iPad mini.

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A report from Korea this week that was published and quickly pulled claimed that LG is in discussions with Apple to supply screens for a new "iPad mini" with a smaller screen, as well as a sixth-generation iPhone with a larger display.

1) I would imagine any such device would be a larger iPod Touch, not a smaller iPad.

2) If wonders never cease! Finally we're calling it the 6th generation iPhone and not the misnamed iPhone 5.
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Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

I love my iPad2. If I wanted to put it in a purse I'd buy a bigger purse.
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I love my iPad2. If I wanted to put it in a purse I'd buy a bigger purse.

Are you implying that a guy, commenting about what women want on a tech site, doesn't really know what women want?? Say it ain't so!

Great response. I'll remember yours for a long time. Bravo!
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Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

But in an fast moving hi-tech world what is true today may not be true tomorrow. Taking someone at their word as the absolute and irrevocable truth and thus trusting they will stick to that truth forever more is unwise to say the least. Now that the tablet market is becoming more developed generally and the 7" tablet is becoming acceptable (is it?), it may be worth it for Apple to enter it. My kids use their iPod touches for a lot more than music and the devices spend most of their time at home or in the car. For them, a 7" iPod Touch / iPad Mini would make perfect sense.
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But Steve is no longer running the company...

If you read Walter Isaacson's book, you'd see that on numerous occasions, the Apple leadership team did things that disagreed with Steve. In particular, Steve was against iTunes and iPod for Windows and he was also against launching the iOS App Store, but the VPs pushed for these things over Steve's objections. If it was really a good idea, Apple's leaders wouldn't let Steve roll over them.

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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

Apple has received world wide acclaim for its current iPad form factor and Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

Steve also said they were not making a phone and have no interest in the tablet market. In public he only focused on announced or shipping products. Behind the scenes they were working on those products at the time.
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Are you implying that a guy, commenting about what women want on a tech site, doesn't really know what women want?? Say it ain't so!

Great response. I'll remember yours for a long time. Bravo!

Well to be fair my comment was an exact quote from a woman who tells me all her secrets.

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There is only one reason for Apple to go with a 7" display. To buy up all the displays in that size to prevent other companies, namely Amazon, from being able to purchase them as freely.
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But in an fast moving hi-tech world what is true today may not be true tomorrow. Taking someone at their word as the absolute and irrevocable truth and thus trusting they will stick to that truth forever more is unwise to say the least. Now that the tablet market is becoming more developed generally and the 7" tablet is becoming acceptable (is it?), it may be worth it for Apple to enter it. My kids use their iPod touches for a lot more than music and the devices spend most of their time at home or in the car. For them, a 7" iPod Touch / iPad Mini would make perfect sense.

I think a 7" would be cool too, but at what price? $499 for a 16gb iPad.... $199 for a Touch.... So were talking $299-$399? Gonna be a hard sell at $399, when you can get a full iPad for $100 more..... and not going to have anywhere near the margins they normally get at $299. Although $299 would be an incredible deal and I'd be all over it for my wife.

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post #18 of 68
Would the 7" be a better form factor for the expanding (youth oriented) gaming market?
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

Apple has received world wide acclaim for its current iPad form factor and Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

One needs to realize what marketing speak is all about. Beyond that one would have to be crazy not to believe Apple will evolve the very successful iOS devices into a larger family. IOS is making them money better than anything previously, Apple will likely try all sorts of products with this OS as a basis.
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Well to be fair my comment was an exact quote from a woman who tells me all her secrets.

Just ask any guy that ends up with a surprise divorce on his hands.
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Would the 7" be a better form factor for the expanding (youth oriented) gaming market?

The lack of imagination in these forums is shocking at times. A 7 inch device is very useful where extreme portability is a primary factor.
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I think a 7" would be cool too, but at what price? $499 for a 16gb iPad.... $199 for a Touch.... So were talking $299-$399? Gonna be a hard sell at $399, when you can get a full iPad for $100 more..... and not going to have anywhere near the margins they normally get at $299. Although $299 would be an incredible deal and I'd be all over it for my wife.

And 7" will be less battery life (inevitable from smaller battery.)
I can see use for a 7", and of course Steve was the master of the head fake.
The only issue is how to handle up/down scaling vs 3rd format.
Windows 8 is onto something with a dev environment that lets you lay out separate layouts for different screen sizes (tile, phone, tablet) from the git go.
I think that this is inevitable for Apple as well, with the only question being, what is the plan for the interim period as the 7" first comes out. Blown up sucks, and shrunk is too small to use.
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Steve was just talking trash. Nothing wrong with a smaller iPad. Apple just wasn't ready to release one at that time. Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

It would seem that you are the one "talking trash." You have no basis for these opinions at all, no facts to base them on, and then you throw in a trashy sexist remark for good measure.
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It would seem that you are the one "talking trash." You have no basis for these opinions at all, no facts to base them on, and then you throw in a trashy sexist remark for good measure.

I should know better than to argue with you, but I will point out that the iPhone has a tiny screen and requires no fingertip sanding. Second, I have it on good authority that at least some women will indeed like a smaller iPad. I'm thinking there are probably no significant women in your life other than your mother, otherwise you would know that it was not a sexist comment.

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Steve was just talking trash. Nothing wrong with a smaller iPad. Apple just wasn't ready to release one at that time. Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

Because all women carry the same size purse. 7" is trash. Are you saying women cannot handle more than 7"?
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1) I would imagine any such device would be a larger iPod Touch, not a smaller iPad.

I agree. I think a ~5" Touch would cover much of the same functional capability as a 7" model while being much more portable/pocket-able/affordable/light weight.

I really don't like the 7" size and it has nothing to do with Steve's comments.

Simply that 7" doesn't really offer that much more over a 5" screen, while trading off significant portability.

7.35" with Apples 4:3 ratio would also make the table too fat to get a nice one handed spanning grip across it. This is the kind of thing that the obsessives at apple would figure out if they were aiming for a mid size device. Just more evidence that this is yet another in the long list of meaningless rumors about 7" iPads (which i think started within days of the of the iPad release). This one is complete BS like the rest.
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Are you saying women cannot handle more than 7"?

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Because all women carry the same size purse. 7" is trash. Are you saying women cannot handle more than 7"?


Wow, it is pretty obvious which of the posters have never been laid.

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AAPL should not worry about cannibalizing the iPad2 or the iPod Touch with a lower cost 7 inch unit. The race is to capture market share. Some folks cannot afford the entry price for the iPad2. Why leave that market to Samsung, et al?

As a previous commenter noted, a 7 inch unit would be more portable for pockets and purses.
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Some folks cannot afford the entry price for the iPad2. Why leave that market to Samsung, et al?

I see the most logical future conclusion being Apple keeping the low-end iPad 2 around when the iPad 3 comes out and dropping the price $100.

They've done it with every other iDevice to date once they hit the 3rd generation. Why wouldn't they do it with the iPad?

Absolutely NOTHING could compete with a $399 iPad 2… except the $499 iPad 3.

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Absolutely NOTHING could compete with a $399 iPad 2… except the $499 iPad 3.

I mostly agree with this.

Another poster made a good point about the finger filing thing. Siri could be the magic excuse that makes it work. The biggest problem is the interface. I wonder how bad an iPhone style interface would be at retina display resolution on a 7 inch screen. Buttons might seem gigantic, but it should still look pretty good. Maybe the 5 inch iPod touch would be more useful.

Seems like a good middle ground could be found. On the other hand, I'm glad I can type this on the full-ish keyboard of an iPad while waiting for my car to be fixed rather than a tinier keyboard.
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We will never have a 7" tablet - Steve Jobs.

Funny how when the original Galaxy Tab came out, people on here were bashing the 7" screen size.

Look at the same people now, honoring praise for a 7" tablet on Apple.

Hypocracy at its best.

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Steve was just talking trash. Nothing wrong with a smaller iPad. Apple just wasn't ready to release one at that time. Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

If you think women need an iPad that small so it will fit in their purse you are dating the wrong women.

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We will never have a 7" tablet - Steve Jobs.

"Not an actual quote from Steve Jobs."

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I agree. I think a ~5" Touch would cover much of the same functional capability as a 7" model while being much more portable/pocket-able/affordable/light weight.

I really don't like the 7" size and it has nothing to do with Steve's comments.

Simply that 7" doesn't really offer that much more over a 5" screen, while trading off significant portability.

7.35" with Apples 4:3 ratio would also make the table too fat to get a nice one handed spanning grip across it. This is the kind of thing that the obsessives at apple would figure out if they were aiming for a mid size device. Just more evidence that this is yet another in the long list of meaningless rumors about 7" iPads (which i think started within days of the of the iPad release). This one is complete BS like the rest.

I have stated this on a number of occasions and firmly believe that a larger Touch makes a lot of sense. As a pocket computer, the Touch is too small. There are a large percentage of consumers who could comfortably pocket a 5" iPod Touch so to me the question is why has Apple failed to go there. Seems to me that for browsing, e-reading, movie watching, gaming etc. the bigger the screen the better. So the trick is to make the biggest iPod possible without losing the ability to pocket the device. This is a very different scenario than one finds with a smart phone. I don't think a phone should have a 5" screen but the iPod Touch is not a phone.

You could maintain the resolution of the current Touch and it would still make for an outstanding screen. No need to make it look as if Jobs has been ignored posthumously. Call it the new Touch. After all, with a lower-priced pocketable tablet in the mix, what would be the point of having the Touch soldier on in its present form. Make the Nano a little more capable and you'd have all your bases covered.

The way I see this unfolding is, a new Touch being unveiled alongside the next iPad featuring something like a 4.7" screen and pricing of (in US currency) $279 for a 16GB version, $349 for a 32GB version and $449 for a 64GB version. Maybe improve the camera add a faster processor.

Having a $279 computer that is still small enough to pocket is something that could very much appeal to a lot of consumers. It would even be likely that a lot of people would consider owning both, i.e. an iPad for puttering around the house and what amounts to a supersized Touch for the road.

A 7" iPad, on the other hand, would offer the worst of both. You lose the portability of the current Touch and the advantages of a larger screen like the one on the iPad. Lose/lose.

I think Apple doesn't have the sweet spot nailed down in regards to a device like the Touch. Easily corrected and hopefully Apple does.
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"Not an actual quote from Steve Jobs."

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it was more like: You need to use sand-paper to file-down your finger tips
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Steve was just talking trash. Nothing wrong with a smaller iPad. Apple just wasn't ready to release one at that time. Women will love it since it will fit in their purses.

Bingo! Well said.
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The way I see this unfolding is, a new Touch being unveiled alongside the next iPad featuring something like a 4.7" screen and pricing of (in US currency) $279 for a 16GB version, $349 for a 32GB version and $449 for a 64GB version. Maybe improve the camera add a faster processor.

Having a $279 computer that is still small enough to pocket is something that could very much appeal to a lot of consumers. It would even be likely that a lot of people would consider owning both, i.e. an iPad for puttering around the house and what amounts to a supersized Touch for the road.

A 7" iPad, on the other hand, would offer the worst of both. You lose the portability of the current Touch and the advantages of a larger screen like the one on the iPad. Lose/lose.

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I think this pretty much nails the ideal path, particularly the issue with 7" being the worst of all worlds.
The question is that clearly, iPad apps wouldn't be downsized, but how would iPhone apps look on a 4.7" screen? Hopefully not as bad as they look in full screen on an iPad.
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Apple has received world wide acclaim for its current iPad form factor and Steve Jobs unambiguously stated that the 7" form factor sucks. So this "new information" is highly suspect.

steve said a lot of things. and guy kawasaki said that Jobs was the only guy who could change his mind and make you think he was right twice...lol
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