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I suspect that one big difference between the Android world and the iOS world is that iOS users expect their phones to work! I don't want a hackable phone as it is a critical device for me. To toy around with I have a number of computers running both Mac OS/X and Linux.

I suspect the comedy hour is really a chance to watch Android users explains how they mucked up their phone and can't communicate with anybody. Frankly if Apple came out with a phone that was as open as the Android platform I wouldn't buy it. For me phones need to be as reliable as a crow bar.

Interestingly I find iOS to be far more frustrating on iPad. There more flexibility would greatly enhance the device. If any one competing platform ever got traction in the market place I'd be tempted to switch. This is especially the case if the unit has accessible USB ports.

In any event a different perspective. Not all iOS devices are the same, it is frustrating that we have to live with the same restrictions across all devices. "It just works" is a valuable selling point though.

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Comedy hour on AI?

Most Android users have used iOS. A lot have iPads (and even consider it the only tablet worth owning - like I do)

I've seen hundreds of comments from people here who have not used Android at all. And considering the religious like following Apple has most will never try Android.

People do not like the same things. I do wish Android was as smooth an experience as iOS. It isn't. However I do not like iOS. I do not want a 3.5 inch screen. I do not want an app launcher for a homescreen. I want and enjoy tinkering and control. I like the pseudo open nature of Android and the community always pushing the envelope.

Even then I don't agree nor like everything about Android. I do not like the lack of at least an app icon template. I do not like the overwhelming number of poor quality apps (luckily the apps I use are high quality)

When I pick up an iPhone I know how to use it. It is okay IMO. But too small. And too limiting (which is why I can't Eben enjoy WP7 as it is so boring despite the fact that I think the UI is the best out there)

I do wish Google would exercise more control of Android. But they don't or won't and I can live with that.

There are specific reasons I don't use iOS (or Mac OSX at home) little things I don't like.

Fandroids overall are a hell of a lot more open minded than iPhanboys.

We tend not to worship Google. You can go to any Android blog then any Apple blog and compare the glorification/complaint ratio of articles on each. Android blogs say a lot more and criticise a lot more. They desire control. We don't need to be coddled and ushered into an age of whitewashed simplicity.

I like that the twitter integration you now have is native on android by simply installing an app. I like being able to completely swap out almost every stock app at my discretion. I can share almost anything through almost any app that adds a line of code. These are freedoms you will never enjoy. My device is mine. Android screenshot threads vs iOS screenshot threads are utterly hilarious. That alone should show you some of why people choose Android. It's not some ignorance of iOS. Who the hell is ignorant of iOS? It is not a hatred of Apple. A lot of the CM team USE macs to make Cyanogenmods.

So what is it? Choice. Freedom. Ownership.

The kindle is not a second rate iPad. It is a kindle. A portal into Amazon's ecosystem. A content streaming device. An e-reader. Not even a competitor to the iPad. No one who wants an iPad would be swayed into getting a kindle. Most who want a kindle could be swayed into getting an iPad. The iPad is scores more useful than a Kindle Fire.

But not everyone needs an iPad or is heavily invested in Apple's ecosystem nor do they wish to be.

Your walled garden is beautiful and landscaped to perfection. Sure.

I like my world just fine.
post #42 of 58
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

LOL, true that! The initial 10-20 1-star reviews were almost exclusively from people who didn't have the device. Now the proportion of those who actually own it and give 1 star is, understandably, growing. Nevertheless, those appear to be the most poorly written, misinformed and baseless reviews, and you can see that for yourself.

I do think that the predominant 5-star rating is swayed by the lowered expectations due to the low price. The average 4-star rating is likely more realistic. Still, that leaves us with a better than average product with a below average price tag.

It seems the Fire owners are falling into two camps: those just excited to have what they think of as a tablet who are happy to have spent only $200 and those who seem like they really wanted an iPad and now feel utterly ripped off.
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Off topic - but NICE! (did you ever use a screwdriver as a stethoscope? good way to find out which tappet is out)

Good idea! Though, No... I mostly did it by feel the spanner and the screwdriver on each tappet (you needed to have 3 hands or be very quick).

Almost always, I would work the better part of a Friday afternoon... get it all tuned -- then do the final tightdown.. invariably stripping one of the tappet adjustment screws or cracking the nut...

... borrow a car, drive to the dealership for a part, start all over again -- hoping to finish by 1:00 PM Saturday when the Parts office closed...

Mmm... kinda' like JailBreaking or rooting...
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post #44 of 58
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It seems the Fire owners are falling into two camps: those just excited to have what they think of as a tablet who are happy to have spent only $200 and those who seem like they really wanted an iPad and now feel utterly ripped off.

Quite understandable. I think in either case they got what they deserved.
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post #46 of 58
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Quite understandable. I think in either case they got what they deserved.

But Amazon has spent years building up a loyal following and deep trust among it's consumer base and it seems to me that this device might violate that to some extent. They've quite cruelly invented a device that fills a desire, the desire to own one of them tablets everyone is talking about, without filling a need. The black and white Kindle filled a need and became a big hit, despite initial mixed response from critics. Kindle owners love them, take them to bed, walk around the house with them. The first iPad was greeted with mixed reviews but people couldn't keep their hands off it when they first got it. It's great for watching movies and reading magazines and playing games. It's a great video camera and iMovie for iPad is a fantastic app for editing. It is an unexpected delight that people in all walks of life and all professions are finding new uses for.

The Fire is a device even it's fans make excuses for and really is only at it's best with a wifi connection and an $80 a year Amazon Prime account. I've been shopping with Amazon since it first opened and have trouble thinking of a time I was disappointed. To take that kind of reputation and squander it on a second rate device whose only real purpose is to wrangle consumers into the Amazon Prime ecosystem is a waste and no one deserves that. The same goal could have been met by offering 2 months of Amazon Prime free with the purchase of every iPod and similar tablet and then inventing an Amazon Prime app that allows for shopping and streaming media, like a cross between Zinio, the Kindle App and the Netflix app with a place to shop as well. This product is just cynical.
post #47 of 58
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... This product is just cynical.

I see nothing cynical about it. Everyone agrees that it's a bargain. Amazon never lied about features or specs of the device. They never promised an iPad. The few disappointed customers would be the ones having wildly unrealistic expectations about the device, despite the extensive upfront information, the numerous reviews, and the telling price tag. Well, you can't please everyone, and you shouldn't want to...
post #48 of 58
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Originally Posted by VanFruniken View Post

MacOSX is almost never seen as part of the Unix world, when comparing market share.

Exactly. And neither will the Kindle be seen as part of the Android world. It might as well have been built on iOS for all the consumer will care. It's sufficiently different that it won't be seen, nor should it be, as an Android tablet despite being built on its foundation.
post #49 of 58
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Kindle is good enough = people does not try iPad that is way better. Since they don't know is better, they are content and happy.

Reading the Kindle Fire reviews on Amazon.com, many of the verified owners also own iPads or Android tablets. They're not a bunch of grandma's who've never seen a tablet before. There are many early adopters in this bunch who like to try out new technology.

Feedback varies, but I get the impression that they're calling the Fire's hardware and OS "pretty good" but not in the iPad's class. There are several usability issues that I doubt Apple would've missed (e.g., power switch too easy to bump off, speaker location, carousel can't be hidden). Integration with Amazon digital content services (cloud, ebooks, music, video, apps) seems well liked.

Right now the average review is 4 out of 5 stars, and that includes several 1 star reviews from people who aren't verified owners.
post #50 of 58
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

I see nothing cynical about it. Everyone agrees that it's a bargain. Amazon never lied about features or specs of the device. They never promised an iPad. The few disappointed customers would be the ones having wildly unrealistic expectations about the device, despite the extensive upfront information, the numerous reviews, and the telling price tag. Well, you can't please everyone, and you shouldn't want to...

Not everyone agrees. Some just say "you get what you pay for." And if you've gone to the Fire page at Amazon you'd get the impression that you are essentially getting an iPad only smaller but otherwise with the full experience. So, yeah, they never issued a press release saying that but they fanned that flame and allowed the expectation to be created. And, as the reviews come in from verified purchasers, they are starting to skew downward, which tells me that expectations are not being met.
post #51 of 58
To certain people who keep pointing out the Amazon reviews; Allow me to say, so fucking what?

Go to Amazon and look at the Touchpad reviews, Galaxy tab and the Xoom reviews, all are 4 out of 5 stars, with the majority giving them 5 stars.

All kinds of junk gets max stars on Amazon. This is due to a psychological disorder that some of the buyers suffer from. Nobody wants to admit that they bought something that wasn't great, so these people lie to themselves and try to convince themselves that they made a good purchase and they rate their purchase 5 stars.
post #52 of 58
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Not everyone agrees. Some just say "you get what you pay for." ...

My bad for writing "everyone". It couldn't possibly be everyone. I meant "the overwhelming majority". There are a few disappointed ones.

However, you can't pin this on Amazon's marketing. The info about the limitations was there. People who lack in reading comprehension can make use of Amazon's excellent return policy for a full refund.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Serious question here:

My 13-year-old grandson had an undetected hearing defect when he was young (a blockage that was corrected by inserting tubes in both ears).

Because of this he couldn't properly hear others speak.

He is OK now, but tends to speak in a rapid monotone, running the words together, with no emphasis or pauses.

When he's excited, you can barely understand him. His friends make fun of him!

The speech therapists say they've done all they can...

When we group read, aloud, we make him speak slowly, pause, emphasize... tell us a story. This works very well... but it hasn't become a habit.

When I got the iPhone 4S he was all over Siri...

Hmm... I wonder if Siri could be used for voice therapy...
-- it forces you to enunciate
-- it recognizes pauses and context
-- it reinforces what you say by repeating it
-- it is useful
-- it is always available
-- it is habit forming
-- it appears to be almost human

I am hoping that Apple makes Siri available on non-phone iDevices, then opens up the APIs to 3rd-party programmers.

I'd love to write a customizable drill-and-practice Siri speech app for my grandson.

We are considering buying him an iPhone 4S (contract or unlocked) for Christmas.

This will be of some use -- but not as far-reaching as ifthe Siri APIs were available.

As someone with a speech impediment and who is familiar with Siri -- would you mind giving me your opinions on this?

That's a good question. I'm all for advances in speech therapy. Growing up with the impediment wasn't exactly fun. lol. Now I have a modicum of control over it (though even at times I can't even stop stuttering despite my greatest efforts.

I know how to not stutter but like your grandson it hasn't become habitual. My cousin on the other hand also has a stutter (more mild) but he's managed to control from a young age habitually.

I do believe an app written with or by a speech therapist with Siri API's could work wonders in this digital age. I'd really love to see it.
post #54 of 58
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I suspect that one big difference between the Android world and the iOS world is that iOS users expect their phones to work! I don't want a hackable phone as it is a critical device for me. To toy around with I have a number of computers running both Mac OS/X and Linux.

I suspect the comedy hour is really a chance to watch Android users explains how they mucked up their phone and can't communicate with anybody. Frankly if Apple came out with a phone that was as open as the Android platform I wouldn't buy it. For me phones need to be as reliable as a crow bar.

Interestingly I find iOS to be far more frustrating on iPad. There more flexibility would greatly enhance the device. If any one competing platform ever got traction in the market place I'd be tempted to switch. This is especially the case if the unit has accessible USB ports.

In any event a different perspective. Not all iOS devices are the same, it is frustrating that we have to live with the same restrictions across all devices. "It just works" is a valuable selling point though.

Well...my phone works. lol.

But I can respect that...I too expected the iPad to be different than a giant iPod Touch (not a diss)

Maybe when iOS and Mac OSX bridge the gap more the next version of iOS for tablets will have some PC like functionality.
post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

My bad for writing "everyone". It couldn't possibly be everyone. I meant "the overwhelming majority". There are a few disappointed ones.

However, you can't pin this on Amazon's marketing. The info about the limitations was there. People who lack in reading comprehension can make use of Amazon's excellent return policy for a full refund.

Maybe I shouldn't be I do pin it on their marketing. Marketing of course a thing unto itself. They have simultaneously been upfront and honest about what this thing doesn't have while at the same time creating an unrealistic expectation. that's how marketing works. So, I will stick with my assessment that the device is cynical. Not sinister. Just cynical. And I say this as someone who shops at Amazon at least once a week, has rarely been dissatisfied, loves the way their customer service works and lives in a household with two Kindles. I have no axe to grind in particular with the company and I think Jeff Bezos is kind of cool.
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Prove your point then. Show me an Android blog, like this site, that has anywhere near the number of Apple articles (often not even related to the site's focus) and the number of posters who are anywhere near as anti-Apple as the Anti-anything-not-Apple-ers here.

When you can find me one forum site, news site that comes even remotely close to what can be seen here I will concede defeat and apologize for wasting your time.

Note, not some random anti-Apple comment, I mean a consistent, anti-Apple atmosphere.

A popular blog site, not some random teenagers rant blog.

Im not going to make the distinction between blog style comments and forum style as it really doesnt change the outcome very much. Here are just a few that you can find googling. There are to many for me to list here because I have other things to do. You can google with any of these words: android apple privacy oracle samsung sues java patents infringment etc....

Eg.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11...looks-like-it/

http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Coul...ticle22821.htm


http://androidandme.com/2011/07/news...-the-evidence/

http://blogs.computerworld.com/18190...ation_tracking


These comments are typical fandroid summation of the "problem": Either there is no problem or Oracle is just after the profit. (Oracle is in fact seeking a permanent injunction so they may not use bastardised java) or they just explain how google is not doing anything wrong and is just a missunderstanding and fud that android is infringing on patents and copyrights. And even if this would be the case it should still be alowed because android is FREE*

> SparkyXI 07/26/11 10:41 AM +13
>I don’t think Oracle is anti-innovation – I think they’re just pro-money. What’s the best way to profit?
>Get paid without working for it.

Eh same could be said about google most sertainly for stealing IP and source code.

----

>http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/...-google-171070
>
>David * 08/29/2011 03:16 PM 11 likes
>
>The facts that Google helped consumers avoid being gouged by Big Pharma and Edelman works for Google's >opponents both work in Google's favor. Yeah, they broke the law --- maybe. But the law was written by a
>bunch of crooks who were bribed by the large pharmaceutical companies. It almost seems that to achieve
>any economic justice in this country breaking the law is required. Cheers for Google.

You can read comments like this one on almost any news on google or android. Some people seem to think Google is the robin hood.... And breaking the laws that govern our world is OK. As long as _OTHER_ big companies dont. People that use google products dont usually see themselves as information providers for marketing purposes. Some people think lunch is free with google.

Please link android blogs and forums where they dont bash apple?! Oh you couldnt?


*free used quite loosly here as Google will be reaping the goods sooner or later.
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Im not going to make the distinction between blog style comments and forum style as it really doesnt change the outcome very much. Here are just a few that you can find googling. There are to many for me to list here because I have other things to do. You can google with any of these words: android apple privacy oracle samsung sues java patents infringment etc....

Eg.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11...looks-like-it/

http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Coul...ticle22821.htm


http://androidandme.com/2011/07/news...-the-evidence/

http://blogs.computerworld.com/18190...ation_tracking


These comments are typical fandroid summation of the "problem"

Please link android blogs and forums where they dont bash apple?! Oh you couldnt?


*free used quite loosly here as Google will be reaping the goods sooner or later.

Did you notice that the comments remained on topic? No bashing of Apple in an Oracle article. No "iOS is trash", "iPhones are garbage", "Apple is evil" comments even in articles concerning Apple? Members generally respected each other, name-calling generally non-existent? Quite a difference in tone, don't you think?
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post #58 of 58
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Did you notice that the comments remained on topic? No bashing of Apple in an Oracle article. No "iOS is trash", "iPhones are garbage", "Apple is evil" comments even in articles concerning Apple? Members generally respected each other, name-calling generally non-existent? Quite a difference in tone, don't you think?

Those where just a few samples that I found in 3 minutes you can search on other topics aswell but usually the tone is not that different. I dont know what your trying to say but some of those artices have nothing to do with apple in themselves but ALWAYS come down to applebashing in some kind (usually the worst imature kind).
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