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post #41 of 105
It takes genuine talent to make a laptop that looks this forgettable.

Why on earth can't these massive companies employ a decent designer with some actual vision? Why do people put up with such epically bad aesthetics from PCs when they don't from anything else, even vacuum cleaners and irons!

Wake up HP.
post #42 of 105
I owned an HP laptop once. ONCE. Was the biggest piece of garbage ever. Loud (yes, a laptop that is loud), heavy, slow even when just released, and so loaded with bloatware it took me forever to get it all removed and it wasn't easy. I'm no tech savant, but I can get around a computer.

HP will need a LOT of glowing reviews before I stroll back to their products.
post #43 of 105
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That means they aren't selling well, but I'd still like to see more side-by-side comparisons of the ultrabook category. Eventually this will be the normal notebook type to get. Even now the MBA reportedly accounts for more than a quarter of all Mac notebook sales.

Pc manufactureres need to up their game if they want to compete. I can walk into any reseller her and get an air. If I wanted An ultra book, I wold have to order from overseas or wait ages.
They also do not advertise, where as the only Mac adverts I have seen on tv here for many many years are for the air.
Then they also need the staff int he store to guide customers. It's interesting seeing staff GUI customers to Mac, in the vague hope they will buy lots of accessories, as the resellers get next to no margin on the Macs.

Unfortunately, all of ether ultra books seem rushed out. Wich means compromise to get them produced. At least most of the manufactureres have attempted ot make something a title bEtter. I think Lenovo has produced the nicest, freshest designed, product. Just needs anther generation to mature.
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post #44 of 105
They still don't get it....
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Originally Posted by chudq View Post

The operating system of Mac OS X is the soul of MacBook Air. What is the OS of HP? Windows 8? Does Windows have iLife for photo, movie and music? Full version of development tool XCODE? None.

Like it or not, given the proliferation of Windows based software, not running OSX is actually an advantage. As an example at a recent legal proceeding I was involved in the court reporter was using an Air running Windows. She wanted the convenience of the Air but the reporting software is Windows based. She was tech savy enough use an Air but I'm sure there is a large market for an Air equivalent that is marketed as using Windows.
Assuming HP executes this properly it could easily outsell the Air.
post #46 of 105
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Where have you been since 1983?

Here's a couple of recent examples:


http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-a...n&isredir=true



http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-t7500/pd

If you choose to respond, then for the love of God please do not redefine any words.


obvious troll is obvious...Apple controls over 90% of the over $1000 computer market yet only represents around 9% of the total market. You do the math....DUH!
post #47 of 105
Pretty uninspired design to say the least. Poor effort.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Though the thing seems pretty pointless without Thunderbolt. I think we can say that now: if something new isn't released with Thunderbolt, it's resigned to the naughties for compatibility.

USB 3.0 and HDMI are far more useful than Thunderbolt. If I was to make any changes to the Macbook Air it would be to add these 2 ports.

Thunderbolts marketing tag line is "One port. Many possibilities." The equivalent taglines for HDMI and USB 3.0 are "One port. Many uses".
post #48 of 105
Great to see SS drives going mainstream. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of rotating storage.
post #49 of 105
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

All thwt does is confirm his post. Or did you not read it?

Pot, meet kettle. If _you_ could read you would see how a company with less than 10% marketshare owns over 90% of the market for over $1000 computers. I am asking a lot...math is hard.
post #50 of 105
Didn't Palm trademark the name "Folio?"

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post #51 of 105
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

Didn't Palm trademark the name "Folio?"

Maybe. HP bought Palm though.
post #52 of 105
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Originally Posted by willb2064 View Post

USB 3.0 and HDMI are far more useful than Thunderbolt. If I was to make any changes to the Macbook Air it would be to add these 2 ports.

Thunderbolts marketing tag line is "One port. Many possibilities." The equivalent taglines for HDMI and USB 3.0 are "One port. Many uses".

1) Not if you have a Mac and an Apple Cinema Display.

2) Your tagline could have been pulled from the past

USB: "One port. Many possibilities."
Serial and Parallel: "One port. Many uses."

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post #53 of 105
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Originally Posted by chadmatic View Post

but does it run OS X?

No, it doesn't. But Windows 7 is just as competent. OS X is much prettier though.
post #54 of 105
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Where have you been since 1983?

Here's a couple of recent examples:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-a...n&isredir=true

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-t7500/pd

If you choose to respond, then for the love of God please do not redefine any words.

Well, I am sure they are awesome. They certainly look ... ummm.... supercharged. I guess they are in the premium SPEC market. Certainly not in the premium style market. How much do these hot-rods cost? Do you get free stickers with them? \
post #55 of 105
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Originally Posted by webfrasse View Post

They still don't get it....

Could you please define "it"?
post #56 of 105
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

No, it doesn't. But Windows 7 is just as competent. OS X is much prettier though.

Wrong argument in wrong place. And besides, the eternal "which OS is best" discussion is futile at best. Too many variables with the most contentious - personal preference. The last part - no arguments
post #57 of 105
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

This is one of the new high-end netbooks, like the MacBook Air, and not a powerful machine like a desktop. It is for use by people who value portability over performance, and are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. Duh.

It is a niche product. It is unlikely to sell in numbers that compare to the "most of the things that most people want" machines. It is not a lowest-common-denominator product like the iOS devices.

Would you please stop trying to claim the MBA is a netbook? Netbooks used shitty Atom processors, MBAs use i5 and i7 processors. No, adding "high-end" to the front of your claim does not make it so. High-end for a netbook means they have the better video card and MAYBE cost $450. Netbooks are a very different class of computer, please stop trying to merge the 2.

Also, 28% of all Apple notesbook sales (which account for 74% of all Mac sales) means you have a bit over 20% of all Mac sales are MBAs. That means last quarter Apple sold around a million MBAs. Not too shabby. Considering Apple has over 90% of the sales for $1000+ computers, selling a million MBAs in a 3 month period means they more than likely sold far more of those than all the Alienware laptops combined, for example.
post #58 of 105
Now, if it didn't have to run a crap OS they might have a nice product.
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post #59 of 105
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Originally Posted by willb2064 View Post

USB 3.0 and HDMI are far more useful than Thunderbolt. If I was to make any changes to the Macbook Air it would be to add these 2 ports.

Thunderbolts marketing tag line is "One port. Many possibilities." The equivalent taglines for HDMI and USB 3.0 are "One port. Many uses".


You'll be getting USB 3 next year when Ivy Bridge adds USB 3 support to the motherboards. Apple won't be updating them w/that beforehand. How is HDMI more flexible than Thunderbolt? HDMI is for one thing and one thing only, displays. Bonus points for transmitting sound as well. Thunderbolt does everything both USB 3 and HDMI can do and, with adapters, can handle Firewire, Ethernet, Fibre, etc. USB can't handle any of those.
post #60 of 105
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

No, it doesn't. But Windows 7 is just as competent. OS X is much prettier though.

Just as competent ... Running both I'd like to disagree on that. Just my opinion of course.
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post #61 of 105
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Well, I am sure they are awesome. They certainly look ... ummm.... supercharged. I guess they are in the premium SPEC market. Certainly not in the premium style market. How much do these hot-rods cost? Do you get free stickers with them? \

I have to admire your restraint. That's some ugly, ugly plastic that Comrade just littered the thread with. Hideous. Gives me the creeps. He also gives me . . . well, never mind.
post #62 of 105
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Originally Posted by willb2064 View Post

USB 3.0 and HDMI are far more useful than Thunderbolt.

Two slower, less versatile ports are more useful than one faster, more versatile port?

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Thunderbolts marketing tag line is "One port. Many possibilities." The equivalent taglines for HDMI and USB 3.0 are "One port. Many uses".

Except those are two ports. And you're parroting the same argument from 1996. Thunderbolt will kill every single other computer port. Even Ethernet. You need to realize that.

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post #63 of 105
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To be honest the Folio probably should be compared against the 11 inch Macbook Air but even then the 11" Air outclasses the folio with its 1.6ghz i5 CPU

Yes, indeed. Furthermore, the HP probably has an inferior LCD, as well as being thicker, a pound heavier, and with far less solid construction than the MacBook Air.

Then there's the crapware which HP installs.
How long does the battery last while running a virus scan?
post #64 of 105
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Looks sweet!

HP should make an 11 inch version as well.

Mmm...this free hotel room coffee tastes great, mmmm...

They should sell free hotel room coffee in coffee shops as well.

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post #65 of 105
Is the chassis plastic? Looks like it. That'll last
post #66 of 105
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Originally Posted by i386 View Post

FAIL! my 4 year MBP 15" is just as thick, this doesn't compete against the Air at all. HP haven't got a clue no wonder their company is in trouble. Ultra thin my ar$*

"Ultra" refers to the thinness of the smoke screen.
post #67 of 105
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

No, it doesn't. But Windows 7 is just as competent. OS X is much prettier though.

One of my deciding factors of why I chose MacBook Air vs Thinkpad X200 was OS managment. Yes Windows 7 is a competent OS, however it requires an exorbitant amount of management. From Windows updates to Lenovo updates to tweeking system preferences... total pain in the ass...

Macbook Air... rocking in 5 mins with minimal management.

The true test is to let your 5 year old use a computer. Which one is easiest, safest and requires less parental management... any Mac OS system.

I work in IT, the last thing I want to do when I get home is become the Help Desk.
post #68 of 105
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Though the thing seems pretty pointless without Thunderbolt. I think we can say that now: if something new isn't released with Thunderbolt, it's resigned to the naughties for compatibility.

Shouldn't we wait until there are more than two external drives, five raid arrays, one video I/O device and one monitor available before we declare thunderbolt the world's best and only solution?

EDIT: oops, I forgot. There are also three port adapters and two external PCIe expansion chassis available too.
post #69 of 105
For years, Microsoft proponents have been telling Apple proponents that we pay far too much for Mac OS X on the same hardware as Microsoft OEM hardware.

I believe much like the iPad market (referred to as the "tablet market" by many) that there isn't a significant "ultraportable market" outside Apple MacBook Air.

I believe the Apple "ultraportable" (MacBook Air) market is strong for the following reasons:

Mac OS X (Aqua ui, accessibility, layered frameworks architecture, reliability, security, technology innovation (Bluetooth 4.0, Thunderbolt as recent examples)

Best in Class Customer Service

iLife (GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, Mac App Store)

iCloud (iTunes in the Cloud, PhotoStream, Documents in the Cloud, Apps, Books and Backup, Calendar, Mail and Conacts, Find my Friends and Find my iPhone)

iTunes integration (market-leading ecosystem for apps, books, music, movies, podcasts, TV shows which allow me to use many of these products and services on (m)any Apple device(s)


In other words, as far as I can discern, Apple is the only vendor whose primary focus is the user experience. Microsoft OEMs are far too busy differentiating themselves with hardware specifications because they don't understand the user experience. Amazon provides a comparable experience to iTunes and (some of) iCloud via Amazon Cloud but doesn't provide mail, calendars or contacts (AFAIK). Google provides a cloud for Google Apps (Gmail, Google Groups, Google Calendar, Talk, Docs and Sites) but lacks iTunes media content.

iTunes media content provides an immediate, manifest justification for Apple products and services while iCloud extends the products and services across the entire Apple product line. Unless other vendors understand these principles behind the success of Apple's premium products and services as well as the advantages of Apple Stores providing local services and support they won't succeed.
post #70 of 105
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Originally Posted by bullhead View Post

Let me produce the facts which both of you clearly do not base your statements on... http://www.pcworld.com/article/16896...er_market.html

Wow, slow much? No one is doubting that Apple dominates the premium PC market, that's not what you said, you said, "is there a premium market for MS Clones"? If Apple is dominating a market then obviously they are not in it alone.

Oh and just because Apple charges $1000 or more dollars for a PC does not mean it is more premium over the $700 windows PC, Spec to spec. Maybe Windows buyers understand this and are smart shoppers.
post #71 of 105
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Originally Posted by bullhead View Post

obvious troll is obvious...Apple controls over 90% of the over $1000 computer market yet only represents around 9% of the total market. You do the math....DUH!

So? Companies are not allowed to try and penetrate this market? Maybe the $2500 Mac spec to spec is no better than the $999 PC? At $999, the PC is not considered premium yet can compete, spec to spec with the Mac. So who is the fool? The buyer who paid twice as much for his Mac than I did for my PC? This HP is $999 which means it is not considered Premium yet will compete directly with the $1500 Air, which is considered premium.
post #72 of 105
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Originally Posted by axual View Post

The innovative design is so far out ahead of ... err wait. Never mind.

On the other hand, at least they didn't just slavishly duplicate the "aluminum wedge" styling of the MacBook Air, unlike some manufacturers (Asus), down to the keyboard layout. It looks like all of the other plastic bodied HP laptops clogging Best Buy at the $499 level. That makes it's $900 price tag all the less of a great value: buyers won't see this as "MacBook Air competitor", but more "get less HP laptop for more money." IOW, the $499 HP is a much better value.

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post #73 of 105
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Originally Posted by Conrail in 1996

Shouldn't we wait until there are more than two external drives, five raid arrays, one video I/O device and one monitor available before we declare USB the world's best and only solution?

*Arms out in an expression that says, "Well, there's the argument, isn't it?"*

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post #74 of 105
No style, plain Jane and Windoze
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Originally Posted by dillio View Post

Best only on its thickness and aspect, it looks to be competing more with the MacBook Pros, than the MacBook Airs.

My thoughts exactly. As an Air owner, that thing looks like a traditional laptop more than an alternative to the Air.

Not even the same ball game...
post #76 of 105
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

The latest entry in the thin-and-light Ultrabook lineup is HP's new Folio13, a 13-inch laptop with a 128GB solid-state drive that undercuts Apple's MacBook Air with a starting price of $900.

Let's see: A HP 'me too' product running a Majorcrap OS.

<<Smirking>> and giving this one wide berth.
post #77 of 105
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

My thoughts exactly. As an Air owner, that thing looks like a traditional laptop more than an alternative to the Air.

Not even the same ball game...

Not even in the same ball park
post #78 of 105
The build quality, perceived weight and industrial design of the MBA blow this thing out of the water, not to mention the whole OS X experience.

No wonder non Apple vendors are failing to dent MBA sales.

Just today, I was in an Apple dealer here in grey and increasingly cold England, and a guy came in to switch from Windows to Mac, and bought a 13" MBA with 256MB of slick SSD. Way to go!
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Nah, it's still a 13" notebook. As usual, Macs are setting the standard and everyone else is trying to cut corners to reduce price while adding some cheesy items that make a spec sheet look better.

You know what would be awesome? If a PC manufacturer actually added REAL CHEESE to their laptops, just to claim the cheesiness crown. I want to see that, for real.

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Originally Posted by i386 View Post

FAIL! my 4 year MBP 15" is just as thick, this doesn't compete against the Air at all. HP haven't got a clue no wonder their company is in trouble. Ultra thin my ar$*

I also have a 4 year old MBP, and it's still kicking. Plenty fast and I've replaced the original HDD with an SSD and it goes a long way towards the Air. I even have an integrated optical drive that I never use

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