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Our military is deployed to more locations around the world than at any other time in our history. Yet, we are probably the least "safe" we've ever been.

Coincidence?

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Lead article in the NY Times today, Americas expansion of bases in Australia- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/wo...y-ties.html?hp

Jazz, if the US is less safe now than before, are you implying that that's because of excessive bases, or other policies?

Do they balance out in your view? ie piss good folks off and regroup?
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Our military is deployed to more locations around the world than at any other time in our history. Yet, we are probably the least "safe" we've ever been.

Coincidence?

Pax Americana? Wrong term... should be "Bellum Americanum".

The decades-long program of complex militarization, from 1945 to the present, involving the diversion of 10s of $Trillions from the tax-payers could surely never have come about by coincidence.

The relentless metastasizing of militarism into the economy is an endless corporate gravy-train, fed from the start by a broad-based (but groundless) paranoia - first regarding "the Russians" ... hellbent on attacking us because they "hate(d) our freedoms", and now, in the absence of the alleged "Soviet threat", we have "terrorists who are gungho to attack us because they also "hate our freedoms". Coincidence? Um, no.

The former never attacked the US - or anywhere in the West... (and hardly anyone else for that matter... they never had the motivation or the will). Sure, they put tanks on the streets in Prague in 1968, and 12 years later reluctantly marched into Afghanistan to help a relatively "progressive" government, and promptly got their asses kicked by the "Islamofascist"/CIA alliance. The latter, i.e. the alleged "terrorists" of recent years (members of that Islamic/CIA alliance, but now in disfavor) can't seem to be able to do anything barring the very occasional crude truck/car bomb, or the occasional ambitious kid, entrapped by the FBI trying to detonate their shoes or underwear with "bombs" incapable of exploding.... and carefully exploited by the media to convince the public that the "threat" is "real".

Wars are started and sustained by the successfully marketing, by the media-political alliance, of the justification for such... mostly imaginary, thus the broad use of bogus reasoning and fabricated events: Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin (lies), Iraq: WMDs (lies). Afghanistan: 9/11 (lies) Gulf War 1990 - freeing the Kuwaiti people (sanctimonious bullshit), Libya - protecting the Libyan people (fraudulently misleading). And with the corporate media firmly entrenched in the militarization of the US economy, they will promote an imaginary threat as effectively as a real one, especially in the absence of the latter. And when the public are too stressed, working multiple jobs to make ends meet, or distracted by inconsequential trivia or "celebrity worship", or not wanting to jeopardize their 401Ks.... and Congress only answers to money (largely connected to militarization), the powers-that-be have a blank check to attack whoever they please, at a time of their choosing.

With an economy as militarized as the current US, then endless wars are essential to sustain the cancer and justify the astronomical spending. Comparing the jingoism of modern US, with that of the Soviet Bloc, is telling. How many full scale wars, police actions, border skirmishes and coups have the US started or gotten involved in over the last few decades, against nations or regimes that represented zero threat to the national security? I would be typing all afternoon to finish the list.

Are we safe? Look at the geography, and look at the number of times we have been attacked by foreign parties... not once since Pearl Harbor... and that was foreseen.

Are we ƒvcked yet?
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Pax Americana? Wrong term... should be "Bellum Americanum".

The decades-long program of complex militarization, from 1945 to the present, involving the diversion of 10s of $Trillions from the tax-payers could surely never have come about by coincidence.

The relentless metastasizing of militarism into the economy is an endless corporate gravy-train, fed from the start by a broad-based (but groundless) paranoia - first regarding "the Russians" ... hellbent on attacking us because they "hate(d) our freedoms", and now, in the absence of the alleged "Soviet threat", we have "terrorists who are gungho to attack us because they also "hate our freedoms". Coincidence? Um, no.

The former never attacked the US - or anywhere in the West... (and hardly anyone else for that matter... they never had the motivation or the will). Sure, they put tanks on the streets in Prague in 1968, and 12 years later reluctantly marched into Afghanistan to help a relatively "progressive" government, and promptly got their asses kicked by the "Islamofascist"/CIA alliance. The latter, i.e. the alleged "terrorists" of recent years (members of that Islamic/CIA alliance, but now in disfavor) can't seem to be able to do anything barring the very occasional crude truck/car bomb, or the occasional ambitious kid, entrapped by the FBI trying to detonate their shoes or underwear with "bombs" incapable of exploding.... and carefully exploited by the media to convince the public that the "threat" is "real".

Wars are started and sustained by the successfully marketing, by the media-political alliance, of the justification for such... mostly imaginary, thus the broad use of bogus reasoning and fabricated events: Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin (lies), Iraq: WMDs (lies). Afghanistan: 9/11 (lies) Gulf War 1990 - freeing the Kuwaiti people (sanctimonious bullshit), Libya - protecting the Libyan people (fraudulently misleading). And with the corporate media firmly entrenched in the militarization of the US economy, they will promote an imaginary threat as effectively as a real one, especially in the absence of the latter. And when the public are too stressed, working multiple jobs to make ends meet, or distracted by inconsequential trivia or "celebrity worship", or not wanting to jeopardize their 401Ks.... and Congress only answers to money (largely connected to militarization), the powers-that-be have a blank check to attack whoever they please, at a time of their choosing.

With an economy as militarized as the current US, then endless wars are essential to sustain the cancer and justify the astronomical spending. Comparing the jingoism of modern US, with that of the Soviet Bloc, is telling. How many full scale wars, police actions, border skirmishes and coups have the US started or gotten involved in over the last few decades, against nations or regimes that represented zero threat to the national security? I would be typing all afternoon to finish the list.

Are we safe? Look at the geography, and look at the number of times we have been attacked by foreign parties... not once since Pearl Harbor... and that was foreseen.

Are we ƒvcked yet?

What part of the Arab Spring, do you think sammi, has to do with further EU integration of those N African countries?
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Lead article in the NY Times today, Americas expansion of bases in Australia- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/wo...y-ties.html?hp

Ah... Apparently they want to keep cluster bombs in Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...1/s3368637.htm

Must be for those darn' crocs.
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Our military is deployed to more locations around the world than at any other time in our history. Yet, we are probably the least "safe" we've ever been...

What about a time when at any second there could be multiple nuclear warheads hitting major US cities from Russia?
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What about a time when at any second there could be multiple nuclear warheads hitting major US cities from Russia?

And vice versa. Perhaps thats why it didn't happen?
"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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