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In an attempt to bypass claims of patent infringement from Apple, Samsung has modified the design of its Galaxy Tab 10.1 touchscreen tablet, slightly renamed it, and re-released it in Germany.

The new product, known as the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, attempts to avoid design-related intellectual property owned by Apple. As noted by Florian Mueller of FOSS Patents, the newly redesigned tablet has a metal frame that wraps "all around the edge to the extent that a part of it covers the margins of the front side."

"I'm not in the position to say that this product definitely steers clear of infringement. That's up for the courts to decide," he said. "But without a doubt, Samsung has upped the ante fro Apple and its lawyers in case they wish to request a new injunction or allege that this constitutes an infringement of the existing one."

Germany has become an important battleground in the fight between Samsung and Apple. Just last week, Samsung filed a new complaint seeking an injunction against Apple's 3G products.

Up until this point, Apple has found the most success in seeing Samsung's products banned from sale. Samsung's revised Galaxy Tab 10.1N came about because a German court permanently banned sales of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in September.

Since then, Apple also won an injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia over accusations of patent infringement. Though Samsung has attempted to block sales of Apple products around the world under its own infringement claims, the Korean company has yet to succeed in doing so.
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In an attempt to bypass claims of patent infringement from Apple, Samsung has modified the design of its Galaxy Tab 10.1 touchscreen tablet, slightly renamed it, and re-released it in Germany.

Pictures out yet?
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You would think that Samsung would try innovating instead of copying. Shame on them for perpetuating their bad reputation. Idiots don't innovate...
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"We never infringed on Apple on anything. But for shits and giggles, here's one that doesn't look just like an iPad."
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Samsung follows Apple's lead. Fixing a problematic product by wrapping it in a bumper (metal one in Samsung's case).

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Pictures out yet?

Here's a German-translated page with pictures. So I guess Samsung's just did the "Okay, let's just make it look like the original iPad1 since Apple doesn't make it anymore" mentality.

http://translate.google.com/translat...pair=auto%7Cen

Seriously... zero shame these guys have.
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Not sure why people are upset. Apple said "can't sell because this looks too similar" so Samsung, while fighting the claim, made a change to get the product out now. Then they can take the fight back to court, but still be selling the item in the mean time.


Apple was mad the item was easy to confuse with the iPad. Now it is less confusing. Got what they wanted, at least for now. Yet people still complain. I know, I know. You all think Apple owns the right to "black, rectangular, and glass fronted tablet" and anything that resembles that is unoriginal...but this is a change and that is what Apple was asking for.
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You would think that Samsung would try innovating instead of copying. Shame on them for perpetuating their bad reputation. Idiots don't innovate...

Probably the reason they could only get 37 awards for innovative products and technologies at CES2011.

http://www.samsung.com/us/article/sa...ovation-awards

Or that they've been a worldwide leader in display technologies, including a very impressive flexible AMOLED screen slated to appear on consumer devices as early as next year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...d-in-2012.html

Or that they've invented and are perfecting the next gen non-volatile (flash) memory tech. Called ReRAM, it's claimed to be up to a million times faster than today's flash memory chips.

Without Samsung innovations and inventiveness, the iPhone and iPad might not even be in Apple product line. You've giving Samsung short shrift IMHO.
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In an attempt to bypass claims of patent infringement from Apple.....

I was under the impression it was under injunction because of an E.U. community design violation? What EU patents does it infringe on in Germany exactly?
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Not sure why people are upset. Apple said "can't sell because this looks too similar" so Samsung, while fighting the claim, made a change to get the product out now. Then they can take the fight back to court, but still be selling the item in the mean time.


Apple was mad the item was easy to confuse with the iPad. Now it is less confusing. Got what they wanted, at least for now. Yet people still complain. I know, I know. You all think Apple owns the right to "black, rectangular, and glass fronted tablet" and anything that resembles that is unoriginal...but this is a change and that is what Apple was asking for.

Do you really think that small change they made exonerates what they've done so far? pathetic.

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Samsung, while fighting the claim, made a change to get the product out now.



Would you please point out the changes made? Or at least tell us which of these is the new one.

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You all think Apple owns the right to "black, rectangular, and glass fronted tablet"

Don't know a single person who ever said that.

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Probably the reason they could only get 37 awards for innovative products and technologies at CES2011.

http://www.samsung.com/us/article/sa...ovation-awards

Or that they've been a worldwide leader in display technologies, including a very impressive flexible AMOLED screen slated to appear on consumer devices as early as next year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...d-in-2012.html

Or that they've invented and are perfecting the next gen non-volatile (flash) memory tech. Called ReRAM, it's claimed to be up to a million times faster than today's flash memory chips.

Without Samsung innovations and inventiveness, the iPhone and iPad might not even be in Apple product line. You've giving Samsung short shrift IMHO.


Yeah. Apple bought Samsung NAND flashs and other parts NOT FOR FREE.

and, if need, Apple will pay Samsung to equip those so called reRam?? or whatever.

HOWEVER, DID SAMSUNG PAID APPLE to BORROW the product design? --------------------- answer: nope!

One paid, the other one stole.

And YOU NOW SAY "THEY ARE EVEN" ?

WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!

PS: Don't even think to mention the two F.R.A.N.D. patents Samsung initially refused to get paid.

Edit : Speak of AMOLED, have you heard about the pentile AMOLED Samsung equipped to their latest Galaxy series?

This image below shows how they're TERRIBLE.

You called them "display leader," and they might be able to come up with something cool in their lab but have consistently failed to materialize it out (,unlike Apple).

so, what's the point?

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Would you please point out the changes made? Or at least tell us which of these is the new one.







Don't know a single person who ever said that.

The uppermost one with the protruding side bezel and front facing speakers is the modified "N" model.
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Do you really think that small change they made exonerates what they've done so far? pathetic.

FWIW. your first image of Samsungs display area within an Italian electronics store shows the retailers (Euronics) wall of logos behind the Samsung display. It wasn't put there by Samsung. Not unlike standing in a US Best Buy and seeing various company logos. That one was put to bed as much ado about nothing several weeks ago.

The other images? Yeah, they were certainly going for the iPad look, copying the feel of a specific Apple product, and not the proper way to present their product IMO. Charger? No big deal, looks a lot like one of the Blackberry chargers too. The packaging is definitely borrowed and needs to be changed.
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Or that they've been a worldwide leader in display technologies, including a very impressive flexible AMOLED screen slated to appear on consumer devices as early as next year.

Or that they've invented and are perfecting the next gen non-volatile (flash) memory tech. Called ReRAM, it's claimed to be up to a million times faster than today's flash memory chips.

Without Samsung innovations and inventiveness, the iPhone and iPad might not even be in Apple product line. You've giving Samsung short shrift IMHO.

Wow, I have to agree... they are a great component innovator and producer.

I own a Samsung HDTV which is great. But all TVs look alike to me.

But to blatantly copy someone else's innovations in product design just screams to me that they have engineers, not creative artists in product design. The most creative group at Samsung, other than component engineers, seem to be their legal staff and marketing types.

So guess that we both are correct...!
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The uppermost one with the protruding side bezel and front facing speakers is the modified "N" model.

Oh, so they made it look more like the 1st gen iPad and less like the 2nd gen iPad.

Got it.

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Edit : Speak of AMOLED, have you heard about the pentile AMOLED Samsung equipped to their latest Galaxy series?

This image below shows how they're TERRIBLE.

You called them "display leader," and they might be able to come up with something cool in their lab but have consistently failed to materialize it out (,unlike Apple).

so, what's the point?


Ummm. . .
Apple uses Samsung display panels.

As for why the older AMOLED Pentile display was used rather than the Super AMOLED-Plus used in the Galaxy S2 series, I have no idea.

To be clear, I don't agree with the way Samsung went out of their way to copy the feel of Apple's iPad packaging and presentation. Perhaps some areas of the world find it perfectly acceptable, but there's no need for it and it needs to change. But using that to claim Samsung simply copies everything and doesn't innovate shows a myopic view. Samsung is in nearly every consumer electronic product in some way from computers to washing machines. They don't simply resell someone else's components in a product of their design. They've invented the actual products/components, designed the equipment needed to produce them, purchased the land and invested in the factories they're produced in. IMO that's just as creative as coming up with an idea for a product, then looking for someone who can build it at the price you're willing to pay.
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Great, now it looks like a giant iPhone 3GS.

Why not just put a pair of those thick black glasses with big nose and brushy mustache on it.

Or, Galaxy Mr. Potatohead Pad with stick-on ears, lips, and googly eyes!
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Oh, so they made it look more like the 1st gen iPad and less like the 2nd gen iPad.

Got it.

First Gen iPad?

The first Gen iPad had a consistently sized bezel and no front facing speakers.The new Tab has a protruding side bezel with thin upper and lower bezel (when held horizontally) and front facing stereo speakers.

The most important thing is that they've made it look different to the vague community design that the original 10.1 infringes on. If it's different enough will be up to Apple to decide if they want to attempt to assert their design in court again.
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Here's a German-translated page with pictures. So I guess Samsung's just did the "Okay, let's just make it look like the original iPad1 since Apple doesn't make it anymore" mentality.

http://translate.google.com/translat...pair=auto%7Cen

Seriously... zero shame these guys have.





The new one looks better than the old. It looks like they used this as an opportunity to make lemonaid from lemons.
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Do you really think that small change they made exonerates what they've done so far? pathetic.

That's very impressive.
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Why not just put a pair of those thick black glasses with big nose and brushy mustache on it.


That's funny!


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The uppermost one with the protruding side bezel and front facing speakers is the modified "N" model.

Wow, I would have guessed the other. Interesting tact. Release a copy, and in the months that pass while being sued, upgrade it slightly.
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What I'm curious about is how this holds if Apple has a community design patent on a rectangle. Shouldn't that exclude any rectangular tablet?
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What I'm curious about is how this holds if Apple has a community design patent on a rectangle. Shouldn't that exclude any rectangular tablet?

ALL the elements claimed in the Apple Community Design claim must apply, not just most of them. IIRC they were six details claimed. With the minor changes Samsung has made to the bezel, it probably passes muster now. The final determination will be made by the German judge according to reports.
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You all think Apple owns the right to "black, rectangular, and glass fronted tablet" and anything that resembles that is unoriginal...but this is a change and that is what Apple was asking for.

Heh, actually it's the fandroids that keep saying that. It's their standard response when a manufacturer (usually Samsung) is caught blatantly using Apple's product design, and there's no way to deny it.

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Would you please point out the changes made? Or at least tell us which of these is the new one.

That's easy, the one on the bottom is the iPad.

Oh, wait...
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I was under the impression it was under injunction because of an E.U. community design violation? What EU patents does it infringe on in Germany exactly?

In Germany, the Samung Galaxy Tab 10.1 has not yet been found to be infringing any of Apple's patents. You're correct -- in Germany, the violation that led to the injunction was all about a registered Community Design -- namely, a series of line drawings representing the 3-dimensional physical form of the device.

So far, Apple has not yet aggressively pursued any patent issues relating to the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Germany for characteristics such as functionality, screen visuals, multitouch gestures, or anything else. Is that because they don't think they have a case if they went purely on the merits of patents they hold which are enforcable in Germany? Maybe.

But more likely IMO, they figured they'd pursue the low hanging fruit first. They probably thought it would be faster and less expensive to litigate initially on the merits of the community design alone, saving the heavy artillery (functional patents) for any future difficulties. From what I've read, the burden of obtaining injunctions based upon in European Community Design registrations is much lighter than the burden of obtaining injunctions based on functional patents.
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Probably the reason they could only get 37 awards for innovative products and technologies at CES2011.


Or that they've invented and are perfecting the next gen non-volatile (flash) memory tech. Called ReRAM, it's claimed to be up to a million times faster than today's flash memory chips.

Without Samsung innovations and inventiveness, the iPhone and iPad might not even be in Apple product line. You've giving Samsung short shrift IMHO.

Yeah, great innovations in lens, washing machines, cameras, etc (did mention a few for phones but no details -- don't even know if they were feature phones or smart phones).

I doubt that Samsung's absence would have preventive iPhone or iPad. I don't think my crystal ball is any better than yours (but making a statement like that makes it sound like you think your pair are large).
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That's very impressive.

A (set of) picture(s) speaks a thousand (or an order of magnitude higher) words.
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Oh, so they made it look more like the 1st gen iPad and less like the 2nd gen iPad.

Got it.

They made it look less like the line drawings in this registered community design:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61944044/C...000181607-0001

If the court agrees that it looks adequately different from these drawings, then that's really all that matters with respect to the initial injunction. In that case, Apple would need to pursue different avenues (such as patents, or perhaps a different registered community design) if they want to continue their fight in Germany.
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They made it look less like the line drawings in this registered community design:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61944044/C...000181607-0001

If the court agrees that it looks adequately different from these drawings, then that's really all that matters with respect to the initial injunction. In that case, Apple would need to pursue different avenues (such as patents, or perhaps a different registered community design) if they want to continue their fight in Germany.

Could you clarify: why litigate on design drawings when the finished product is available in both cases? (This is a genuine question, not an argument in disguise.)
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Could you clarify: why litigate on design drawings when the finished product is available in both cases? (This is a genuine question, not an argument in disguise.)

Apple didn't have to have any actual product that used that design. The entire claim rested on a piece of paper, not the real iPad.

By the way, Samsung has apparently confirmed (to a Korean newspaper) that the revised Galaxy Tab 1n goes on sale in Germany beginning next week.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/tech...02600320F.HTML
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Could you clarify: why litigate on design drawings when the finished product is available in both cases? (This is a genuine question, not an argument in disguise.)

Because the design drawings are the things that receive registered protection under European community design legislation.
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