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post #41 of 52
11/18/11 at 2:51pm
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From question 10

"The doctrine protects third parties who have made decisions based on the scope of the original patent, only to find themselves infringing the reissued patent."

I'm not a patent lawyer but I'd think this means the patent has more value to Apple as protection and very little to go after Sumsung or Google.

Both 9 and 10 would be of particular interest. Going by those guidelines you may be correct that the reissued patent wouldn't affect products developed in the interim. I guess that's for lawyers to figure out if it comes up.

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post #42 of 52
11/19/11 at 2:01pm
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That goes for trademarks, not patents.

Patent owners must defend them or else a patent is useless.
Why get a patent if you don't care about it?
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post #43 of 52
11/19/11 at 2:22pm
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Patent owners must defend them or else a patent is useless.
Why get a patent if you don't care about it?

Sure, the patent is useless if you choose not to do anything with it, but it's still your patent. What Bancho is correctly stating is that you have to actively be defending and using your trademark or risk losing rights to them.

Remember when the iPhone appeared in 2007 and Cisco had an issue because they felt they owned the rights to iPhone which was part of a 2000 buyout of InfoGear, and they retired the product usage completely by 2001.

No one was saying InfoGear didn't use it first, the question was whether the usage had not been out of circulation long enough that it could be used by others.

Trademarks are a use-it-or-lose commodity, but patents can sit ideally under a bridge in the Eastern District of Texas waiting for a product to become popular enough to sue over.
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post #44 of 52
11/20/11 at 11:51am
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It will be very interesting to see what Apple is going to do when the GPS satellites start dropping down from orbit, expected in 2012 or 2013. Then nobody will have 'location based services' anymore! And this patent will be useless.

If only the entirety of humanity had some sort of contingency plan for downed satellites.

And what's your source of this?

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What will users do when they have bought a device with 'location based services' that don't work? They will sue Apple for selling defective products, is what they will do!

You're being nonsensical.
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post #45 of 52
11/20/11 at 12:28pm
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So you have absolutely no evidence of GPS satellites being imminently threatened with coming down, have no real reason to suspect that they will, and are basing this entirely on hearsay.

Don't worry about it. Does your iMac instantaneously stop working when the new model comes out or the warranty expires? No. Same with satellites. Humans are good engineers. We build stuff that works well. Don't worry about it.
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post #46 of 52
11/20/11 at 12:43pm
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Sleep well!

Enjoy your FUD. The GPS grid is too important to every single country on the planet to let die. Economically, militarily, defensively, and communally, it cannot fail. "The money" is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the US government or NASA. If one of these satellites fails, there will be three more to take its place in under a month. Why you'd believe otherwise is beyond me.

And any "lawsuit" against Apple for a "failure to provide services advertised" would be thrown out immediately. Apple has no responsibility for satellites nor any system behind anything beyond their control. Apple isn't being sued because the telecoms' networks suck eggs (they do). Because that can't happen.
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post #47 of 52
11/20/11 at 1:29pm
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Money.

Forget "there will be three more to take its place in under a month". To build a system like this takes the better part of a decade. And gabillions of budget. Which there isn't. In the US.

Again, and for the last time, meaningless. It just doesn't matter. GPS is too important to just let fail.

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We'll see what the judge says, won't we?

Such a lawsuit cannot happen. If a body is not in control of the mechanism by which actions are performed, it cannot be sued for malfunction of said mechanism. Period.
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post #48 of 52
11/20/11 at 6:49pm
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I agree. That's why it will be such a rude awakening when it does!
Especially to those who closed their eyes to the reality that it could ever happen.



If that body uses that mechanism as a sales pitch, it can.


It also runs on electricity, can you sue if the lights go off? Seriously the worriers have more worries than I can shake a stick at. The world is overpopulated too. And we're overdue for a solar storm. Stuff happens. I doubt lawsuits will be the main thing anybody thinks of if satellites fail. We are broke, but not so broke we'd let commerce go to hell for want of funds for 3 new satellites. Need bigger perspective.

Try to enjoy what life there is for the living, and live mindfully.
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post #49 of 52
11/20/11 at 9:09pm
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The US DoD owns, operates, controls, and manipulates the GPS system for US interests only. Just ask someone in Seoul, Baghdad, or Jerusalem how they like their turn-by-turn navigation systems: they don't work! The US DoD can and does degrade GPS data integrity of regions and countries they feel are convenient to their interests. With total disregard for the interests of others. The US clearly use the GPS system as a political and military tool.

You truly know not of what you speak. Yes, GPS is a DoD derived system, but Selective Availability (the military encryption for max performance) is turned off and will remain off unless there is a shooting war with someone BIG. The physics of the system make it damn near impossible to do what you say without SA.


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And that is why Russia, the EU, and China are in the middle, right now, of launching their own satellite navigation systems: GLONASS, Galileo, and COMPASS. Expected to become operational in 2015/2017. And that is why India, Brasil, Japan, and Australia are on the verge of deciding on launching their own satellite navigation too!

And all have failed to deliver in the 30 years since GLONASS was originally operational. Even at it's best, it's resolution was only that of GPS with SA encryption turned on.

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They are all very aware how the US use GPS, and therefore of it's arm-twisting potential! Against them. At the flick of a switch. GPS simply is a very real strategic threat to them. Plus they don't want to be dependent on the US' whims anymore. So they build their own, independent satellite navigation systems.

Tin-foil hat there.
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post #50 of 52
11/21/11 at 10:48am
Umm. I used to be one of those boys on the carrier deck. You are so wrong it is truely sad.

You are merely making things up and you don't know how any of it really works. Period.

We didn't land on carrier decks by GPS, that would require two moving things to communcate and the time delays in the communications would end up catastrophic. We used the Automatic Carrier Landing System, which is very similar to the civilian Instrument Landing System used at airports. Neither has anything to do with GPS.

No run along child, and make something up about something you might know enough about to not embarass yourself so easily.


GLONASS was operational in 1982. It was unfunded and decayed to just a few satellites by the late 90's because the Soviets could only build them with 3-6 year lifespans. Again your lack of knowledge is so pathetically complete you set a new standard.
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post #51 of 52
11/21/11 at 11:42pm
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I see.
Well, I have news for you: in the last decade ALS and GPS were integrated operationally to said 6 INCHES of accuracy. It was tested exhaustively and when totally vetted the US demonstrated the system's reliability and the brass' confidence in it to all the world by landing its chief executive on deck (about 30 miles offshore... ) to crow victory over Iraq. That was a demonstration for all who knew what to look for.

Anyway, if GPS is so brilliant and problem-free for all mankind why do 34 governments invest trillions in alternative systems?

W landed in the day pattern from a break. Eyeballs only. You really need to listen to Jesus

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post #52 of 52
11/25/11 at 11:11am
Here's your six inch resolution!

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