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post #161 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:20pm
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Hell, I paid $225 for a Windows XP upgrade *from Windows NT.

Woah! Slow down there Ol' iPad-Throne King

We wouldn't want your whole argument thrown down the toilet due to nasty "slip-up".

*Fixed it for ya

No wonder it was so expensive and took so long...

On Parallels, I had to:
-- install NT
-- install the mandatory service packs
-- install the XP upgrade
-- install all the XP service packs, etc.


The whole process took 2-4 hours... and had to be regular attended to answer intermittent dialogs, sect install options.

Finally I said hell with it -- don't run no windows, no time, no how!

Today, I can purchase a better OS for $29, download and install it in less than an hour.
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post #162 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:33pm
Windows 8 however is going to $%^^ this %%% up! Seriously, it may seem smart, but windows 8 on tablet won't work well. A dual OS just doesn't work out (hopefully they prove me wrong). Didn't this tablet OS thingy happen with XP?
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post #163 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Genius concept...not so great execution.

When people started making fun of the iPad being 4 iPhones ductaped together...I actually thought it was genius. I would love to just put my iphone in tablet shell. Or if I want to play Infinity Blade/some game on teh screen I can just take the iPad and connect an HDMI cable to it and just buy a controller.

I think the Wii U is doing a concept like this. We are truly being mobile. Instead of bring your flash drive, you can just take your phone and make it the computer. Imagine more slmline PCs powered by your phone?

I think computers are going to be a LOT more mobile in the future.
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post #164 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

the iPad cannot do everything a PC can do, and vice versa.

So obviously capability is not the decisive factor in what makes a PC a PC.

True!

What a PC is... is like beauty -- it is in the eye of the beholder.

We can all look at someone like Sophia Loren or Ingrid Bergman and most will agree that that is beauty.

But what about the less obvious cases the merely attractive? You have to go beyond physical "looks" and examine who they are -- how do they respect themselves, how do they respect others...

That's a different kind of beauty -- some would say that it is real beauty.


I remember reading a story in the early 70s about a VW Beatle that won an automobile race -- easily beating much more capable and powerful cars...

...towards the end of the article they explained that race was run on a 1/4 mile track (like the track around your high school football field).

The Beatle was perfectly suited for that track and had more than enough capability and power to do the job.


I think that there are lots of PCs... it is up to us to pick the one that does the job we want it to do.
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post #165 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post

When people started making fun of the iPad being 4 iPhones ductaped together...I actually thought it was genius.

That's not only the antithesis of genius it's also axiomatically wrong as the iPad display is 7.99x the size of a single iPhone display.
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post #166 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

No wonder it was so expensive and took so long...

On Parallels, I had to:
-- install NT
-- install the mandatory service packs
-- install the XP upgrade
-- install all the XP service packs, etc.


The whole process took 2-4 hours... and had to be regular attended to answer intermittent dialogs, sect install options.

Finally I said hell with it -- don't run no windows, no time, no how!

Today, I can purchase a better OS for $29, download and install it in less than an hour.

My first "real" working experience with Windows was with NT4. To tell ya the truth: I really did like the monster data server tower we built, specifically for all of our Macs using AppleTalk. The thing weighed about 20 lbs(!).

Best "reality" price for the kiddies out there: ca. Nov. 1998 -- 1gb (yes...one Gigabyte!) SCSI Hard drive for ~$600,00 + 1 key-lockable drawer enclosure ~$200,00. That was only one of 4 in the server, with 2 swappables as backups (also with drawer...grrrr!)

And the kids have the nerve to b***** about the cost of an iPad?!? Or even the Kindle Fire? All i had in my hand for $200,- was some bent and ridged wrought-iron and some friggin' screws!

Oh the days....
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post #167 of 262
11/21/11 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

True!

What a PC is... is like beauty -- it is in the eye of the beholder.

We can all look at someone like Sophia Loren or Ingrid Bergman and most will agree that that is beauty.<snip>

Well now your just showing off your "Wisdom with Age" card... Ya play cards much? STOP IT!... as the coach would say. You're killin' me!
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post #168 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:02pm
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... I dare you to name a SINGLE thing an iPad can do that most PCs cannot....

Run 10 hours on a single charge.
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post #169 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by OldMacGuy View Post

Run 10 hours on a single charge.

More to the point, run 10+ hours of video on a single charge. Can't even do that on the MBPs that are rated for 10 hours under a certain load.
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post #170 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:04pm
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That's not only the antithesis of genius it's also axiomatically wrong as the iPad display is 7.99x the size of a single iPhone display.

And since when did you start taking over the "Professor's" role? Feel lucky we haven't seen Ireland in these parts for awhile. I believe he's waiting for the real AppleTV before popping up outa the forest again. Silly Leprechauns!
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post #171 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:10pm
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And since when did you start taking over the "Professor's" role? Feel lucky we haven't seen Ireland in these parts for awhile. I believe he's waiting for the real AppleTV before popping up outa the forest again. Silly Leprechauns!

I have excessively punctilious today.

I wonder what is up with Ireland. I do feel a little bad comparing him to Karl Pilkington describing how a death watch works when Ireland describes how the AppleHDTV will work. But not bad enough to repost this video clip:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxcQt6nCC0
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post #172 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:19pm
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I have excessively punctilious today.

I wonder what is up with Ireland. I do feel a little bad comparing him to Karl Pilkington describing how a death watch works when Ireland describes how the AppleHDTV will work. But not bad enough to repost this video clip:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxcQt6nCC0

OK. That's it... I'm out here. My stomach hurts from laughing to much for the last few hours. If the Ireland reference wasn't enough... then the Karl Pilkington YouTube video... and then that hilarious sig from DA... BTW: ya happen to see where he says that he looks a bit like the Gecko-guy... I'm... I'm... I'm...
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post #173 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:29pm
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I also think that having an iPad not running on iOS and instead on OSX will ruin the entire iPad franchise.

Ahh... but think about it the other way around...

Future Macs will run an iOS version with [possibly] overlapping windows, more power, more accessories...

Basically:

1) iOS == all thats needed to run on a portable multitouch device ported from Mac OS X (anything not necessary has been removed)

2) Mac OS X == 90% of all iOS developed features (or reimplemented Mac OS X features) ported back to the Mac

3) With the exception of the kernel, iOKit, UIKit the OSes are likely 75-80% identical code -- and just a compile away from running on any supported platform.

That's what MS is attempting to do with Windows 8 -- one OS to run everywhere... But they are waiting for low-power x86 chips for the Tablets.


I suspect that you could disconnect everything (mouse, kb, etc) from an iMac or Mini and connect the iPad (WiFi may be good enough) and run the Mac from the iPad (as a customizable keyboard, MagicPad.

I actually have an app that does that:

Mobile Mouse (Remote/Trackpad for the iPad)

I am typing this on my iPad directly into Safari running on my iMac. There are ways of dictating into Siri (Nuance) on the iPhone 4S to do the same thing by voice... but that's a story for another day...


Mac OS Lioness could run OS X and iOS and their associated apps and peripherals concurrently.


In the end game... the goal of all this... the OS gets out of the way... your stuff works and looks the same -- on a heavy-iron desktop/floortop as on a light weight battery operated mobile tablet.

Wherever you go whatever Apple device you use -- your stuff all looks and works the same (the way you chose). Somethings just run a little better or faster on the different form factors.

BTW, the Windows 8 Metro UI has an interesting feature where you can drag an app halfway onto the screen and it splits the screen -- sharing it with the prior app.

I could see something like this being useful on a tablet size screen -- and would ease the difference between a multiple-window desktop and a single/dual window tablet.
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post #174 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:35pm
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Ahh... but think about it the other way around...

Future Macs will run an iOS version with [possibly] overlapping windows, more power, more accessories...

Basically:

1) iOS == all thats needed to run on a portable multitouch device ported from Mac OS X (anything not necessary has been removed)

2) Mac OS X == 90% of all iOS developed features (or reimplemented Mac OS X features) ported back to the Mac

3) With the exception of the kernel, iOKit, UIKit the OSes are likely 75-80% identical code -- and just a compile away from running on any supported platform.

That's what MS is attempting to do with Windows 8 -- one OS to run everywhere... But they are waiting for low-power x86 chips for the Tablets.


I suspect that you could disconnect everything (mouse, kb, etc) from an iMac or Mini and connect the iPad (WiFi may be good enough) and run the Mac from the iPad (as a customizable keyboard, MagicPad.

I actually have an app that does that:

Mobile Mouse (Remote/Trackpad for the iPad)

I am typing this on my iPad directly into Safari running on my iMac. There are ways of dictating into Siri (Nuance) on the iPhone 4S to do the same thing by voice... but that's a story for another day...


Mac OS Lioness could run OS X and iOS and their associated apps and peripherals concurrently.


In the end game... the goal of all this... the OS gets out of the way... your stuff works and looks the same -- on a heavy-iron desktop/floortop as on a light weight battery operated mobile tablet.

Wherever you go whatever Apple device you use -- your stuff all looks and works the same (the way you chose). Somethings just run a little better or faster on the different form factors.

BTW, the Windows 8 Metro UI has an interesting feature where you can drag an app halfway onto the screen and it splits the screen -- sharing it with the prior app.

I could see something like this being useful on a tablet size screen -- and would ease the difference between a multiple-window desktop and a single/dual window tablet.

You have valid points, I suppose you're right.

I think ingegration for me is really important. I have so many differnet needs at differnet situatioins.

I do like that the Xbox 360 (and definatley the next one) is basically running all on the same OS (or something that's very similar). The 'drag an drop' is such an important asset for me. Cloud saving an everything is all good.

Imagine playing one video game on your PC just to continue it on the Xbox 360.

I really think the iPad will do this with Macs. Steam for iPad/Mac being integrated is incredible. The iPad isn't too far behind when it comes to power so I cna't wait for the future.
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post #175 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:36pm
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Can be done on a PC with a webcam.


Ever heard of golfworldmap.com? You don't need an iPad to get golf site information and aerial views.


Can be done with a 3G capable PC. Though I don't think it's a good idea to take a laptop or an iPad to the beach.


So you're saying an iPad can use iPad apps and a PC can't? Are you really that desperate for an example?


I asked for 1 and you provided 0, so keep trying. Don't give me examples where an iPad is more convenient, that's not the point. I'm looking for something that only an iPad can do.

You're not serious. You carry a laptop on a golf course? You hold your laptop over your head?
Functional is not irrelevant here.
You're looking desperate here.
I'll make it easier for you... The smartphone is the computer. get used to it.
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post #176 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:39pm
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You're not serious. You carry a laptop on a golf course? You hold your laptop over your head?Functional is not irrelevant here.
You're looking desperate here.
I'll make it easier for you... The smartphone is the computer. get used to it.

You use your iPad as an umberella?
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post #177 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by nicolbolas View Post

its not a computer..... deal with it.

It is a computer......deal with it.

(see how illuminating that is?)

The iPad does not have a mouse driven UI. Until vast amounts of software is redesigned to work with a multitouch UI there will be a false impression that only mouse capable machines can be "real computers". The same phenomenon accompanied the introduction of the Mac back in 1984 when the mouse driven UI was dismissed as a toy. Ironically, even as we go through the disruption of a new interaction model (multitouch), the next barbarian is approaching the gate: Siri and voice or conversation interface. Yet again pioneered by Apple. You have to have a real dispute with reality to fail to see the pattern.
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post #178 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:47pm
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My first "real" working experience with Windows was with NT4. To tell ya the truth: I really did like the monster data server tower we built, specifically for all of our Macs using AppleTalk. The thing weighed about 20 lbs(!).

Best "reality" price for the kiddies out there: ca. Nov. 1998 -- 1gb (yes...one Gigabyte!) SCSI Hard drive for ~$600,00 + 1 key-lockable drawer enclosure ~$200,00. That was only one of 4 in the server, with 2 swappables as backups (also with drawer...grrrr!)

And the kids have the nerve to b***** about the cost of an iPad?!? Or even the Kindle Fire? All i had in my hand for $200,- was some bent and ridged wrought-iron and some friggin' screws!

Oh the days....

The first [microcomputer] hard disk I ever sold was a 5 Megabyte Corvus (IMI) Drive for $5,000 ca 1979.

It was about the size of a Shaq O'Neil shoebox -- about 8 regular shoe boxes.
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post #179 of 262
11/21/11 at 2:52pm
Your brain is a computer. It has unlimted storage and processing power. Aren't scientists trying to use our DNA to make super computers? I swear you guys are so lazy today.

How about you guys do something useful: Use your actual brainpower and stop letting computers do the talking. Instead of using this discussion board, go to Time Square and start writing on the wall and wait for a reply....
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post #180 of 262
11/21/11 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

We can call anything we want a computer.

For example, my toaster uses sensors and a logic chip. If we include toasters in the definition, then Sunbeam is a major computer company.

Any one know how I connect my toaster to my home wifi?
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post #181 of 262
11/21/11 at 4:02pm
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Any one know how I connect my toaster to my home wifi?
Do I need Lion because I only have snow leopard

Just make sure you don't get a Windows toaster. I know this one family that got lost in a fire because their son got a virus from a porn site and the toaster went haywire because he wouldn't pay.

Of course, though, Linux is superior for toasterware as it is sooo customizable and the development is great. I've had so many great cheese bagels!
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post #182 of 262
11/21/11 at 4:37pm
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You're not serious. You carry a laptop on a golf course? You hold your laptop over your head?
Functional is not irrelevant here.
You're looking desperate here.
I'll make it easier for you... The smartphone is the computer. get used to it.

You're missing the point again. Smaller portable devices are great for the uses you mentioned, of course an iPhone is better to keep on you while golfing or sending pics while at the beach. Your naming off uses that the iPhone/iPad were DESIGNED to do, they are better at these use cases than a PC. They are "mobile" devices, and all of your examples were mobile.

The point is, the PC CAN do it, just like it can do almost anything else. It's meant to be generic, universal, extendable, and re-programmable. The iPhone/iPad is great at what it does, but is limited in it's capabilities.

The iPad can't do everything, no matter how much you want it to.
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post #183 of 262
11/21/11 at 4:39pm
You know, the iPad does a *heck* of a lot more than my Apple IIgs (which I still own, in a box somewhere). Is someone going to say that the Apple IIgs is *not* a "personal computer" based on capabilities? What is it about the iPad that makes it "not a personal computer?" It isn't the lack of a keyboard (those are available, I have one); it isn't the lack of a USB port (my Apple IIgs doesn't have one of those). It's not the absence of a memory card reader (my Apple IIgs has a floppy drive, but no memory card reader; I'd point out that my Apple IIgs does not support wifi while my iPad does, which obviates the need for the floppy). It's not the "limited" OS -- DOS 3.3 on my Apple II gs is far (by several orders of magnitude) simpler than iOS. It certainly isn't the software; I have much more sophisticated software running on my iPad than on my Apple IIgs.

So tell me again, why doesn't someone consider the iPad a "personal computer"? Or are we redefining what the term "personal computer" means here? Is my Apple IIgs no longer a "personal computer"?
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post #184 of 262
11/21/11 at 5:30pm
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You're missing the point again. Smaller portable devices are great for the uses you mentioned, of course an iPhone is better to keep on you while golfing or sending pics while at the beach. Your naming off uses that the iPhone/iPad were DESIGNED to do, they are better at these use cases than a PC. They are "mobile" devices, and all of your examples were mobile.

The point is, the PC CAN do it, just like it can do almost anything else. It's meant to be generic, universal, extendable, and re-programmable. The iPhone/iPad is great at what it does, but is limited in it's capabilities.

The iPad can't do everything, no matter how much you want it to.

"Do everything" is a defining characteristic of a pc?

A pc can't "do everything" by any stretch of the imagination.
Feel free to call or not call any item you want a pc but you're being pretty arbitrary in your reasoning. It'd be easier (and probably more accurate)if you just said a pc is what I say it is.
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post #185 of 262
11/21/11 at 5:33pm
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You know, the iPad does a *heck* of a lot more than my Apple IIgs (which I still own, in a box somewhere). Is someone going to say that the Apple IIgs is *not* a "personal computer" based on capabilities? What is it about the iPad that makes it "not a personal computer?" It isn't the lack of a keyboard (those are available, I have one); it isn't the lack of a USB port (my Apple IIgs doesn't have one of those). It's not the absence of a memory card reader (my Apple IIgs has a floppy drive, but no memory card reader; I'd point out that my Apple IIgs does not support wifi while my iPad does, which obviates the need for the floppy). It's not the "limited" OS -- DOS 3.3 on my Apple II gs is far (by several orders of magnitude) simpler than iOS. It certainly isn't the software; I have much more sophisticated software running on my iPad than on my Apple IIgs.

So tell me again, why doesn't someone consider the iPad a "personal computer"? Or are we redefining what the term "personal computer" means here? Is my Apple IIgs no longer a "personal computer"?

What makes your entire post irrelvant is time. Also, Apple said the iPhone is a phone. All are COMPUTERS. Even the TI-84 (the goodness) is a computer. It depends on when it's released and how it's released. Your post means that a current mac isn't a computer because a future one is gonig to come out.

Computers are more or less universal and their subsidiaries have more spefific, albeit limited functions: THAT'S the difference. A gameboy is still a console, but it is handheld. A game console is a PC, but it's defined as a consoel to show you the difference.

I'm quite tired of people defending the iPad as a PC when it's not. Steve Jobs didn't define it as one, so it's not. It is a form, but has a more spefific purpose. Otherwise, why buy it? Remember when people were complaining it was just a big iPhone, but it differentiated itself?

The problem is that technology can sort of change definitions and things become more vague. What about the Samsung Galaxy Note? It is way too small to be a tablet but too big to be a phone.

If iPad was meant to be a PC, then they would have called it a PC or a Mac tab. But it's not.

That's why you have definitons like Desktop computers and Laptops. They're different forms and aren't in the same category. They may run windows, but still have diffenrent functions. Thats' why we have defintions of stuff.
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post #186 of 262
11/21/11 at 6:27pm
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If iPad was meant to be a PC, then they would have called it a PC or a Mac tab. But it's not.

So by your logic if Apple doesn't call it a personal computer (or define it as a Mac) it's not a personal computer, a term they coined and then didn't use for their Mac? In fact, Apple have, for the most part, shied away from calling their machines "PCs" since the IBM Personal Computer (a brand name)/IBM PC compatible became popular.

It must be nice to live in a world where you can just put up make up stuff without any concern for reason or logic.
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post #187 of 262
11/21/11 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by techguy911 View Post

You're missing the point again. Smaller portable devices are great for the uses you mentioned, of course an iPhone is better to keep on you while golfing or sending pics while at the beach. Your naming off uses that the iPhone/iPad were DESIGNED to do, they are better at these use cases than a PC. They are "mobile" devices, and all of your examples were mobile.

The point is, the PC CAN do it, just like it can do almost anything else. It's meant to be generic, universal, extendable, and re-programmable. The iPhone/iPad is great at what it does, but is limited in it's capabilities.

The iPad can't do everything, no matter how much you want it to.

Yet you still haven't mentioned one single task of which a PC is capable and an iPad is incapable of performing of the "thousands" you indicated you could list. How about we start with the first hundred?
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post #188 of 262
11/21/11 at 6:34pm
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So by your logic if Apple doesn't call it a personal computer (or define it as a Mac) it's not a personal computer, a term they coined and then didn't use for their Mac? In fact, Apple have, for the most part, shied away from calling their machines "PCs" since the IBM Personal Computer (a brand name)/IBM PC compatible became popular.

It must be nice to live in a world where you can just put up make up stuff without any concern for reason or logic.

What's your point, he didn't define it as one. If he did, that's what we would be calling it. So again, I'm not getting YOUR logic.

You didn't even factor in the entire context of my post.

Technically, we can't even refer to the iPad as a tablet as it's just called a tablet. Definitions change, and many times it's to the benefit to the company. Usually it's iPad and Tablets wehn you go to the stores. Like how Xerox became a household name, "Oh, I have to xerox this paper!" or even the iPod. iPod does play MP3s, but not many refer to it as an MP3 player.

Quit trying to justify the sales of Apple as a PC vendor, when it's not. Might as well add the Xbox 360 sales to that and any company they have a stake it.

I find out funny how people keep backing up the crime tape just make it seem like Apple's doing better than what they are.
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post #189 of 262
11/21/11 at 6:42pm
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Yet you still haven't mentioned one single task of which a PC is capable and an iPad is incapable of performing of the "thousands" you indicated you could list. How about we start with the first hundred?

Pornh&**.com for starters.
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11/21/11 at 6:45pm
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Yet you still haven't mentioned one single task of which a PC is capable and an iPad is incapable of performing of the "thousands" you indicated you could list. How about we start with the first hundred?

By that logic, Android Tablets and iPads are largely the same.
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11/21/11 at 6:46pm
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Pornh&**.com for starters.
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Interesting, since I can name a bunch of programs that don't run on Windows. Additionally most websites including the one you list above are viewable despite the ridiculous propaganda of the opposition.
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post #192 of 262
11/21/11 at 6:50pm
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Interesting, since I can name a bunch of programs that don't run on Windows. Additionally most websites including the one you list above are viewable despite the ridiculous propaganda of the opposition.

Well my Android phone won't let me watch a lot of site with boobs. Redirects me to their mobile site. Dissapointing actually (YES, I DO have it identifiying itself as a PC).
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post #193 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:13pm
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Classifying any (current)tablet as a computer with it's stripped down OS and reduced functionality is a travesty to the term Personal Computer.

Tell that to Steve Ballmer, who argued that tablets are also PCs.

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post #194 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:24pm
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Yet you still haven't mentioned one single task of which a PC is capable and an iPad is incapable of performing of the "thousands" you indicated you could list. How about we start with the first hundred?

Let's see, here's a few:

- Burn a DVD
- Rip a music CD
- Play a Blue Ray
- Print to a USB printer
- Back up and Sync an iPhone
- Access an external hard drive
- Access a pen drive
- Update a GPS with the latest maps
- Download Bittorrent movies
- Copy a DVD movie
- Create a website
- Maintain or update a website
- Any type of software development
- Download any type of file from a website
- Upload any type of file to a website
- Run virtual machines
- Flash an Arduino

Before anyone starts throwing out useless arguments about how many people don't need to do some or all of these things, that doesn't matter. The point is that any computer sold today traditionally categorized in the "PC" market can do all of these things and a lot more. All specialty devices including the iPhone, iPad, iPod, Kindle, Android, etc.. can't do most of these.
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post #195 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:27pm
Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.
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post #196 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:41pm
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Yet you still haven't mentioned one single task of which a PC is capable and an iPad is incapable of performing of the "thousands" you indicated you could list. How about we start with the first hundred?


Good to go on iPad... Not so much on any PC.

One-handed typing while installed on the throne!
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post #197 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:48pm
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Good to go on iPad... Not so much on any PC.

One-handed typing while installed on the throne!

Um.....I carry my entire desktop to the toilet.
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post #198 of 262
11/21/11 at 7:57pm
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Let's see, here's a few:

- Burn a DVD
- Rip a music CD
- Play a Blue Ray
- Print to a USB printer
- Back up and Sync an iPhone
- Access an external hard drive
- Access a pen drive
- Update a GPS with the latest maps
- Download Bittorrent movies
- Copy a DVD movie
- Create a website
- Maintain or update a website
- Any type of software development
- Download any type of file from a website
- Upload any type of file to a website
- Run virtual machines
- Flash an Arduino

Before anyone starts throwing out useless arguments about how many people don't need to do some or all of these things, that doesn't matter. The point is that any computer sold today traditionally categorized in the "PC" market can do all of these things and a lot more. All specialty devices including the iPhone, iPad, iPod, Kindle, Android, etc.. can't do most of these.

What's a DVD?
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post #199 of 262
11/21/11 at 8:01pm
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Don't forget iPad does NOT have Micrsofot Word, PowerPoint...essentials to any college student. Please dont' count pages...not the same.

More's the pity!
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post #200 of 262
11/21/11 at 8:11pm
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More's the pity!

OMG, I think his "it's not a PC if it doesn't have MS Office" excuse deserves the troll of the year award.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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