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post #41 of 48
11/21/11 at 9:32pm
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Moves too fast. I took the Stanford class on iOS apps online no charge through iTunes U and even that is out of date now.

I'm completely self taught in computers since my degree is in Bio Chem from the 70s and what I learned then is completely obsolete. Continuing education and self motivation is much more relevant. You can't depend on formal instruction especially in sciences. University only teaches you how to learn not what to learn.

Tell me about it. My engineering classes are still teaching us ASM, VHDL, MATLAB, and C. And I lost all faith that I would learn anything worthwhile in my C class when my instructor insisted that C++ was not a widely used-enough language to warrant talking about in the class. But you are right, it has taught me HOW to learn programming. Having gotten the hang of learning syntax, different IDE's, etc., I have learned so much more about more relevant languages of today on my own time than I ever would have been able to otherwise, and that, to me, is worth something.
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post #42 of 48
11/21/11 at 9:51pm
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It is the Javascript/CSS that is doing all the fancy stuff not HTML per se. When the specs are finalized we will still need -ms, -webkit and -moz prefixes for things like rounded corners, shadows, etc. Probably for another five years at least. So it is not like all browsers are reading the same code.

Actually it is. The prefixes is just a small annoyance, that can be automated away. You just need 4 prefixed statements instead of only using the one in the standard. And in most cases, they are identical.

It's NOTHING like the era of browser wars (IE/Netscape) and incompatibility.

In fact, the prefixes are there so we don't repeat the mistakes of the same era --so that we don't get say, the border-radius implementation from Webkit to be different than the one in Mozilla and have sites depend on them, only the -moz vs -webkit- until the spec is ironed out, and they can converge to the actual one.

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And you still have to test it in all those browsers as well.

Not that much. It's mostly trivial these days. Again: you should have tried this at the browser-wars era.

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Animations and transitions are very tedious to code in JS, no two ways about it.

I actually find it quite easy. Tons of animations/transitions can be made with simple css declarations, and js frameworks take care of a lot of the rest.

Except if you mean "disney like animations", that kind that was easy with Flash. I don't see those as an integral part of the web experience, though. You could always code them with whatever and just render them as videos.
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post #43 of 48
11/22/11 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by foljs View Post

Except if you mean "disney like animations", that kind that was easy with Flash. I don't see those as an integral part of the web experience, though. You could always code them with whatever and just render them as videos.

You mean and then encode the video four different ways for each of the browsers in addition to a fall back for Flash.

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post #44 of 48
11/22/11 at 7:49am
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You mean and then encode the video four different ways for each of the browsers in addition to a fall back for Flash.

Four ways? Each of the browsers? Just do an MP4 version and kick Mozilla in the metaphorical groin.
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post #45 of 48
11/22/11 at 10:26am
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This site has a lot of good slams against Flash

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All that information condensed into a tiny 800x500 square is the way of the future! I've always wanted to browse in cramped conditions - filling the rest of the browser window with that pus-yellow colour is excellent use of screen space! Loving the use of icons to represent the nutritional information as well - not sure which one tell me how much fat I've eaten, but I've burned so many calories just trying to navigate your site out of sheer frustration that it doesn't matter anymore!
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post #46 of 48
11/22/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Four ways? Each of the browsers? Just do an MP4 version and kick Mozilla in the metaphorical groin.

Ogg
WebM
MP4
FLV

Plus you really should create some smaller versions for mobile devices since they might be on 3G.

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post #47 of 48
11/22/11 at 12:31pm
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Ogg
WebM
MP4
FLV

Plus you really should create some smaller versions for mobile devices since they might be on 3G.

Out of those 4, OGG seems like the most suitable candidate. Open source and free. No licensing as with MP4.

I don't even know why Google even bothered with WebM. I can't even find any software to convert to the VP8 format needed for the video. The audio is in Vorbis format anyway so why not just use OGG? The mind boggles...

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post #48 of 48
11/22/11 at 12:31pm
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Ogg

Ah, open sourcers. Don't have a leg to stand on since MP4 loosened its agreements.

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WebM

Google. Thinks they can make crap up. Remove MP4 support entirely to force their format on people

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MP4

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FLV

Kill it with fire.

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Plus you really should create some smaller versions for mobile devices since they might be on 3G.

Don't the carriers automatically ruin files and push out smaller versions to phones by default?
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