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post #41 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:42am
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I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.

Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.

I did exactly that, $99 for (mainly) a web browser and email client and it does these two things well. Why would I do something so crazy? Well, what other alternatives are there for a $99 machine that can do both of these on a large screen with great battery life? I don't have to lug my MBP home from work every day and I don't have to leave my desktop on all the time. IMO money well spent.

On the other hand, I would definitely rather have an iPad 2, but I don't think i'll use it enough to justify the current price. Maybe if I'm lucky with TD rewards on Friday and get it for $299!

BTW, i just got an ATV as well and it's GREAT! Can't wait until they make it a semi gaming console that can host i-devices and not just AirPlay/mirror them.
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post #42 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:43am
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I reread the article. I think that you are correct. The stated percentages add up to 52%, which is much larger than the non-Apple share of the tablet market.

These guys ain't gonna make much unless they up their market share. Their volume is now unlikely to cover their fixed costs.

These guys lost money on every TouchPad sale. Selling more, which they aren't doing, at a loss would just make the matter worse.
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post #43 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:46am
1. Make and then kill off a promising OS. Take a huge loss on every unit.

2. ? ? ?

3. Profit!

Take that, measly-Apple-tablet-that-has-been-thought-through-and-worked-towards-for-years-with-an-eye-to-user-experience-above-all-else!

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11/22/11 at 7:47am
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"In all, non-iPad U.S. tablet sales are said to have brought in $415 million at retail in 2011. When accessories are thrown into the mix, total retail revenue was said to be nearly $700 million."

$285 million in accessories! That sounds like a lot to me given only $415 million on tablets themselves.

It goes back to their methodology. They're counting only retail sales - and this grossly underestimates tablet sales - particularly since the HP fire sale appears not to have been included since it didn't go through retail. So, HP sells 500,000 tablets which are NOT included in this survey, but if those users go to their local Best Buy to get a case for their TouchPad, the case IS included.
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post #45 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:47am
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I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.

If it can run Honeycomb the chance of ICS being ported seem likely, but are what are the requirements for ICS? Meaning, will the HW in the TouchPad be good enough to feasible run the OS? Stable or not, if it's slow then it's pretty pointless.
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11/22/11 at 7:48am
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1. Make and then kill off a promising OS. Take a huge loss on every unit.

2. ? ? ?

3. Profit!

I think you mean:



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post #47 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:48am
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So tell me, why is the touchpad not worth 99, but the ipad worth 500?


The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.

Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.

So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
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post #48 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:51am
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I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.

Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.

Many bought them to root and load Android on. I know several who are flaming "anything but Apple" people and geeky enough to waste time doing this.

It's an accomplishment, and they can get software by various means.

For them, it's mostly about the bragging rights. "Oh look, I've got bash up. This is much better than an iPad and much cheaper."

Strange thing is, they're all young, employed engineers for whom the price isn't actually a concern.

The "hacked" HP TouchPad's are seldom seen nowadays. I'm betting that most are collecting dust since the same folk are now exclaiming that tablets are pointless. It's just a fad...
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post #49 of 137
11/22/11 at 7:52am
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The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.

Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.

So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.

So if you're a radiologist, the TouchPad isn't useful to you. And if you're one of the 0.27% of people who care about updating the OS on their tablet.

The Touchpad is clearly not as good as the iPad. Hardware quality is not as good and there are nowhere near enough apps. But to argue that this makes the TouchPad useless is ridiculous - just more of your standard "anyone who doesn't see the world MY way is wrong" attitude.

Given my choice, I'd take the iPad for myself every time. But there are plenty of people who would find that $99 for a TouchPad is a wiser choice than $499 for an iPad. You really need to understand that different people have different needs. Somehow, you never managed to understand that simple concept.
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post #50 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:07am
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  1. My online super-model girlfriend whom I've never met says Android is super awesome?

We were discussing you last night... she thinks that you are pretty awesome too!
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post #51 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:10am
Mmmm....

2011 Tablet Sales: HP == the best of the worst!
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post #52 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:16am
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We were discussing you last night... she thinks that you are pretty awesome too!

Ur not a supermodel unless ur dating Tom Brady!
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post #53 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:26am
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I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.

Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.

I pretty much use mine for watching videos but it's great at it, just copy avi's, mkv's, ...etc through explorer and you're good to go.
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post #54 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:26am
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Instead of supporting their own bought and paid for OS, it seems that HP is going to follow the Nokia route and jump in bed with MS. I guess they're taking those surveys to heart that say that people are waiting for a Windows based tab.

Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)

Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
-- Metro UI
-- No Windows 8 desktop (x86) apps
-- a paucity of Windows 8 ARM apps
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post #55 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:36am
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Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)

Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
-- Metro UI
-- No Windows 8 desktop (x86) apps
-- a paucity of Windows 8 ARM apps

HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.

Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...

... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.
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post #56 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:49am
Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.
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post #57 of 137
11/22/11 at 8:52am
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HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.

Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...

... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.

Well... it's pretty hard to find any fault with that logic
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post #58 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:04am
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Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.

... but they were above analyst's expectations.
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post #59 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:06am
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Is there a glaring issue with webOS that requires a patch or upgrade? If there is, i haven't run into it yet.

Im not a radiologist nor will i ever be. Surely you can think of another reason the ipad is worth 4x the price that actually matters to the average consumer. Im sure there are niche uses for both tablets that the other doesn't have. Hell, im able to watch hulu.com on my touchpad, and as far as i know (correct me if im wrong here) thats something the ipad isnt capable of. And im prettty sure hulu matters more to the average consumer than displaying xrays.

Does Hulu Plus count?
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post #60 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:11am
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.....It looks to me like each of these guys have a much larger share of the tablet market than Apple has of the Computer market.

It looks to me like you didn't read the article carefully.
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post #61 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:18am
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Funny, I brought one of those touchpads for $99 when it went on firesale. And after playing with it for a bit, im having a hard time figuring out what an ipad can do that this thing can't. I definitely donot regret picking this up at $99, and i've yet to see a reason to even consider upgrading to an ipad.

So tell me, why is the touchpad not worth 99, but the ipad worth 500?

I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.

I have both and the iPad is far more useful because of apps. The touchpad might have become more but it's pretty crippled without the apps.

Still for email, web surfing and watching sideloaded movies (but not netflix) it's a great deal for $99.

Even more so when android is sufficiently painless and stable enough for me to bother with.

As a note, I've seen at least one update since the firesale that made the touchpad run better. I don't know if there will be another but that was nice. An updated browser would be nice too but I guess I can put android on it if it bothers me that much.
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11/22/11 at 9:18am
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I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99.

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post #63 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:25am
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That's silly. The TouchPad is a very useful tablet and does a lot of things. The only major limitation is lack of apps - so why would you cripple it further by hacking it to run an OS where you can't even be sure if ANY of the apps will work?

The number of apps is actually pretty good for my use on the TP, I was pleasantly surprised for $99. I'm used to unlimited apps on my Touch, but many of these are for web content that the TP can access the regular web sites without a problem.

I use pdf and quickoffice at work, use it to take notes.

Native email, Zinio, some good news apps, facebook, accuweather, Tune In radio, enough games for my light use (Angry Birds!), web browser experience is very good, youtube, easy USB file transfer, music syncs with iTunes, I can wirelessly print to my HP printer.

Dislikes: Kindle app is barely a beta version (V 0.11) (crashy), no other good ereader apps (kobo etc), camera is awful, no video out. Not holding out hope for a Netflix app either
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11/22/11 at 9:44am
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The number of apps is actually pretty good for my use on the TP, I was pleasantly surprised for $99. I'm used to unlimited apps on my Touch, but many of these are for web content that the TP can access the regular web sites without a problem.

Yesterday we had Dick on the throne and today we're talking about TP.
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11/22/11 at 9:50am
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Many bought them to root and load Android on. I know several who are flaming "anything but Apple" people and geeky enough to waste time doing this.

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It's Woz, you mean ?
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11/22/11 at 9:56am
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We cancelled our FIOS tv just keeping the Internet. ATV Plus large HD TV and Netflix and iTunes provide all we need. This with the added advantage of no news.

we do the same thing, it is a great solution and saves big bucks. PBS is goo choice for televised news if you need it too
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post #67 of 137
11/22/11 at 9:57am
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Yes, and that plays right into Apple's hands as the default choice.

Wow, it never occurred to you that people who stand in long lines to buy the iPad might actually WANT an iPad?

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11/22/11 at 10:01am
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Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.

It was better than the original plan: bury the unsold TouchPads next to the unsold Apple Lisas in a secret landfill. The archeologists will probably dig them up 1000 years from now and put them in a museum.

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11/22/11 at 10:13am
We are laughing now but I feel that this will be a repeat of the smartphone market. Apple's share will drop but it will retain the 15-20% that everyone wants. The most profitable slice of the market.

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11/22/11 at 10:17am
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We are laughing now but I feel that this will be a repeat of the smartphone market. Apple's share will drop but it will retain the 15-20% that everyone wants. The most profitable slice of the market.

I believe the comparison with the iPod market will prove to be more accurate ...

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11/22/11 at 10:27am
There is indeed hope for non-iPad tablets, as long as they are catastrophic failures.
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11/22/11 at 10:31am
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We are laughing now but I feel that this will be a repeat of the smartphone market. Apple's share will drop but it will retain the 15-20% that everyone wants. The most profitable slice of the market.

Repeat of the smartphone market?

I didn't know that game was finished. Hell... I thought we were only in the second inning.
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11/22/11 at 10:37am
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Seems risky to not have FOX News telling you which liberal you need to be extra afraid of today.


PS: Does the AppleTV pick up Photosteam and you subscribe to other user's Photostream with guest credentials? It might be nice for someone to see photos taken from the iPhone at some remote location on their AppleTV almost instantly. I can see consumer and business needs for this time of instant push of photos (and videos).

Yes I miss Fox sorely ...

Yep photostream and the iTunes matched music, flawlessly.
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11/22/11 at 10:39am
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we do the same thing, it is a great solution and saves big bucks. PBS is goo choice for televised news if you need it too

I love NPR and PBS, how do you get the latter via ATV? I'd like the BEEB too. Of course I can use iPad and mirroring ... DUH!
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11/22/11 at 10:43am
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Or even better spent on beer (good beer, of course).

Can't argue with that.
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11/22/11 at 10:47am
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We are laughing now but I feel that this will be a repeat of the smartphone market. Apple's share will drop but it will retain the 15-20% that everyone wants. The most profitable slice of the market.

I don't think so. I think it's moving steady toward repeating the iPod dominance, only much faster. If they do get Retina Display (265ppi) for the iPad in early 2012 then I'd say it's definitely a done deal for the foreseeable tech future.
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11/22/11 at 10:47am
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We are laughing now but I feel that this will be a repeat of the smartphone market.

Android phones had the carriers to push them. The carriers could install their own crapware, and push their own music and media services, and do it all with better margins.

Tablets? Not so much. Didn't happen on the iPod Touch side of the fence, either.

The only kicker is Amazon, as they may be able to get traction by subsidizing their own hardware sales with books and music and media sales.
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11/22/11 at 10:47am
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very similar to what I've done too....canceled my cable TV...I feel tv should be free if there are commercials or paid a la HBO and no commercials. But not both, $60/mo AND commercials!

Yes, Netflix is one of the great bargains on the internets! I use redbox to watch the occasional relatively new release. Went to the movies to watch "Senna" the guy sitting next me pulled out a cheeseburger, fries and a coke! Sheesh! I left, with a promise to myself not to ever go back!

Can't stand hula, again, too many commercials.

As far as news! I read time, foreign affairs, the local daily paper, USA today , and the weekend editions of the FT, and WSJ...mainly for reviews of books movies and travel suggestions...

Oh and just so the post is on topic...I wouldn't buy an HP tablet...

Best!

Staying off topic, re Netflix Streaming ... I'm working through every Star Treck ever made, in chronological order. So Voyager is first. Got to love T'Pol
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11/22/11 at 11:13am
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It looks to me like you didn't read the article carefully.

Guilty as charged.
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11/22/11 at 11:18am
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Wow, it never occurred to you that people who stand in long lines to buy the iPad might actually WANT an iPad?

It's pretty obvious that people who go to a store to buy a specific product are there to buy that product, and that they feel strongly about their decision.

Those people are not there with a wishy-washy idea that they are going to go home with some product from a category - they are there to buy a specific product.

Sometimes I type this stuff and then just delete it before I post it. Usually I do that, in fact. Often responding to this type of thing is just TOO boring.

Ferget it.
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