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post #81 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:25am
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Yeah. They all appear in a grid which moves around when you change the location of any other icon. And they all look so similar to each other that you need to read the label, obviating the need for an icon in the first place.

Other app launchers work better.

While it would be nice to have an option, I don't think it's an issue. You get used to the grid/page and don't really mind the icon or text after you're familiar with your device. Even if Apple supplied many high quality icons to choose from it might still look cheap. Even the default Mac OS user icons are cheap looking.

PS: With ICS Android finally has drag-and-drop and icon onto another to create a folder. I can't but think if that happened the other way around there would a dozen new posters on this forum signing up just to point out how Apple copied Google.

PPS: I also imagine if a volume rocker issue existed on the iPhone that it would cause a worldwide panic and would be front page news about how the greedy Apple rushed another product to market.

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post #82 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:39am
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While it would be nice to have an option, I don't think it's an issue. You get used to the grid/page and don't really mind the icon or text after you're familiar with your device. Even if Apple supplied many high quality icons to choose from it might still look cheap. Even the default Mac OS user icons are cheap looking.

You should at least be able to color folders like labels in OS X. Once you own your device you can make it look as gaudy and hideously ugly as you want with web clippings as icons and day glow pink sequin encrusted cases. I agree with Conman this time, it is too difficult to find the folder you want based on visual cues.

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post #83 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:40am
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You should at least be able to color folders like labels in OS X. Once you own your device you can make it look as gaudy and hideously ugly as you want with web clippings as icons and day glow pink sequin encrusted cases. I agree with Conman this time, it is too difficult to find the folder you want based on visual cues.

Good argument. I concede.
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post #84 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

While it would be nice to have an option, I don't think it's an issue. You get used to the grid/page and don't really mind the icon or text after you're familiar with your device. Even if Apple supplied many high quality icons to choose from it might still look cheap. Even the default Mac OS user icons are cheap looking.

You get used to it and you don't mind. But given that it is the basic UI of the device, that is a big compromise to some.

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PS: With ICS Android finally has drag-and-drop and icon onto another to create a folder. I can't but think if that happened the other way around there would a dozen new posters on this forum signing up just to point out how Apple copied Google.

PPS: I also imagine if a volume rocker issue existed on the iPhone that it would cause a worldwide panic and would be front page news about how the greedy Apple rushed another product to market.

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This "we Apple users are so oppressed" stuff is often funny. Indeed, it is increasingly funny now that Apple is the brand of the unwashed masses. It is also ironic that you should use such a rhetorical device in a post where you are apologizing for Apple making their flagship devices appealing to such people.

Yes, anyone can get used to an undifferentiated grid of same-sized icons, even somebody who longs for a better setup.

But also yes: That format is chosen to make the target audience comfortable.
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post #85 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:43am
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I hate the burst your bubble but Microsoft had this option when Windows 7 came out...BEFORE...Lion.

Notice the download option on the right...

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/..._PID_235488300

Complete instructions on how to do it....with OUT a DVD drive...

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...load-windows-7

It's important to keep in mind that the App Store approach to downloading application and OS software is an integrated approach (information, selection, billing, delivery), whereas the MS download approach is piecemeal at best. Recall that when Win 7 came out, there was an option for educators and students to download the upgrade. It went something like this:

1. Go to the MS site and enter your academic credentials. Typically requiring a .edu e-mail address. Or go to another web site for information on mailing a copy of your current class enrollment schedule.
2. Wait to receive an e-mail or hard copy of the URL to purchase the upgrade.
3. Go the the dowload URL and select either the Home or Professional version. Then select either the 32 or 64 bit version (where applicable).
4. Go to the next web site where you can enter your billing information.
5. Wait to receive an e-mail containing the appropriate download link. E-mail also contains the MS serial number.
6. Download the 3-4 Gb file.

While this cumbersome and convoluted process did eventually deliver an OS upgrade download, it's hardly an Apple-type Store. More like MS cludging bits and pieces together to make it APPEAR to be something new and different.
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post #86 of 127
11/22/11 at 11:56am
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it might still look cheap.

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post #87 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:03pm
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post #88 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:19pm
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What have you done to my product? [IMG]

She really wanted a Zune instead.

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post #89 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:19pm
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It's important to keep in mind that the App Store approach to downloading application and OS software is an integrated approach (information, selection, billing, delivery), whereas the MS download approach is piecemeal at best. Recall that when Win 7 came out, there was an option for educators and students to download the upgrade. It went something like this:

1. Go to the MS site and enter your academic credentials. Typically requiring a .edu e-mail address. Or go to another web site for information on mailing a copy of your current class enrollment schedule.
2. Wait to receive an e-mail or hard copy of the URL to purchase the upgrade.
3. Go the the dowload URL and select either the Home or Professional version. Then select either the 32 or 64 bit version (where applicable).
4. Go to the next web site where you can enter your billing information.
5. Wait to receive an e-mail containing the appropriate download link. E-mail also contains the MS serial number.
6. Download the 3-4 Gb file.

While this cumbersome and convoluted process did eventually deliver an OS upgrade download, it's hardly an Apple-type Store. More like MS cludging bits and pieces together to make it APPEAR to be something new and different.

MS is even more ridiculous than that. Several years ago, when I first signed up for TechNET, I went online and made my purchase, for the online-only option. NO physical media, everything done through their website. What did they tell me after they took my money and verified payment? That I would receive my login credentials within a week through snail mail! I quickly emailed them to see if there was a way to get my credentials immediately, and was told that there was not. And my one year subscription started the day of purchase, not the day a week later, when I actually got to use it, so they robbed me of a week's usage. Not only that, but I made my purchase on the last day of March that year, and they told me it would expire the last day of February the next year, thereby robbing me of almost another month. I raised holy hell about that one, and they pushed my renewal date to the end of March, but I can't believe they seem unable to give you a year from the actual day you purchase, preferring to go only to end of month. Gotta love it!
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post #90 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:23pm
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She really wanted a Zune instead.

Isn't that just the perfect expression? Tilted head, slightly furrowed eyebrows, and just a hint of a smile.

And I see you still have Installer installed.

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That's some serious "ohl-schul", son. Back in the iPhone OS 2.0 days.
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post #91 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by The Mock Turtleneck View Post

But Windows 7 was already offered as a digital download right from the start. I remember getting free copies of both 32 bits and 64 bits version of Windows 7 Professional off the MSDN Academic Alliance website years ago. And the installation process sure had improved over the previous versions. Can't wait to see if the stuffs they claim for Windows 8 are true.

From the article's first line. It was even in bold:

"Much like Apple did with the release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion in July, Microsoft plans to make the simplest and easiest method of installing Windows 8 a download over the Internet."

Note that while Win7 was available as a download, you had to download and burn an ISO didn't you? They're following Apple's lead which makes the new upgrade a simple purchase and download from the app store (which they are also adding in Win 8) and then you run it. That is a HUGE change from past OS releases.
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post #92 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:28pm
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This is the best news in the whole story. I am SOOOOOO sick of having to enter Microsoft's 25 digit code every time I install a Microsoft product.

And to prove you copy is genuine after any major hardware upgrade.
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post #93 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:32pm
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<Jonny Ive pic/>

LOL. Got any more of those?
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post #94 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

LOL. Got any more of those?

Oh, I'm sure I can come up with some when the situation arises.
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post #95 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:40pm
Microsoft ... as thick as a whale omelet. Wonder how many Corps will move from XP to Windows 8?
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post #96 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:41pm
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At least the icon theme seems to be untouched.

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post #97 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:43pm
And how about the 'uninstall'...?

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post #98 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:44pm
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What have you done to my product?

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post #99 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:47pm
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At least the icon theme seems to be untouched.

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post #100 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:48pm
Just a guess here, but it seems like Microsoft's move to deliver their OS digitally opens them up to some malware problems.

A hacker could sneak their malware into this digital download process, maybe mid-stream or through phishing scams. Both of which are potential new problems with delivering them over the internet.

I suppose Apple faces the same problems too, but less so because their system is a bit more closed.
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post #101 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by am8449 View Post

A hacker could sneak their malware into this digital download process, maybe mid-stream

HOW? Is that physically possible?

And isn't there a file-consistency check at the end of the download that would red-flag any bits out of place?
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post #102 of 127
11/22/11 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by benanderson89 View Post

I wish it wouldn't:

I want to unplug my 2.5" hard disk from my Mac, I tell it to eject from finder, you hear the disk rev down and click the read-write head back into position so its then safe to carry around. I Tell the same disk to eject from my windows computer, the thing is still spinning at full speed with the write head (most likely) still hovering over the disk surface. The only option I have is to yank out the USB cable cutting power to the disk without it actually receiving any instruction to power down! A slight shock without power and that disk is done for

When you unplug a hard drive either internal or USB the heads automatically park themselves into the safe zone upon power down. This has been the case for many years now on all ATA drives. You have nothing to worry about.

I totally agree with what you're saying though, the mouse thing drives me nuts on a Windows box. I believe the difference between the two is because PCs use BIOS and Macs use EFI so, on Windows the mouse is handled by the Windows driver but on a Mac the mouse driver is handled by the EFI firmware so no need to wait for plug'n'play to kick in.
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post #103 of 127
11/22/11 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by axual View Post

Microsoft ... as thick as a whale omelet.

Did yo just make that up, or is it an old expression?

I've never heard it before. It is an Alaska thing?
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post #104 of 127
11/22/11 at 2:23pm
Isn't the title of this article wrong? Didn't Apple copy the Linux Distro's and use digital distribution?
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post #105 of 127
11/22/11 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

This is the best news in the whole story. I am SOOOOOO sick of having to enter Microsoft's 25 digit code every time I install a Microsoft product.

Use windows loader then. You don't have to pay Microsoft either if you use that.
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post #106 of 127
11/22/11 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Except for being an internet-based option that is pretty much the opposite of simple. MS is following Apple lead here, as usual.

Apple's lead or the lead from most of the software industry?
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post #107 of 127
11/22/11 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

HOW? Is that physically possible?

And isn't there a file-consistency check at the end of the download that would red-flag any bits out of place?

I agree. If this was at all possible, you would be at risk during any on line down load, Netflix, even iCloud downloads. Trying to take a download and insert data into the middle would fail the checksum.
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post #108 of 127
11/22/11 at 3:08pm
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Is Apple going to copy the hardware prices of Window based machines?

Only if they decide to make them all out of plastic with crappy trackpads and a sub-standard Windows OS.
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post #109 of 127
11/22/11 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

More. Seriously.

Not really. My Lion installation, with all of my own files and folders (about 450GB) only has 795,000 files. You can check it out in Disk Utility by selecting the disk in the left column and reading the statistics at the bottom of the window.
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post #110 of 127
11/22/11 at 4:27pm
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Not really. My Lion installation, with all of my own files and folders (about 450GB) only has 795,000 files. You can check it out in Disk Utility by selecting the disk in the left column and reading the statistics at the bottom of the window.

Ah. Deleting a Time Machine backup will delete over a million. Must've gotten confused.
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post #111 of 127
11/22/11 at 4:49pm
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Ah. Deleting a Time Machine backup will delete over a million. Must've gotten confused.

That'll do it. My Time Machine drive has almost 6 million files. And I forgot that Lion's Time Machine keeps backups on the local disk when a Mac isn't connected to the Time Machine drive.
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post #112 of 127
11/22/11 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Therbo View Post

It's always been stupid Microsoft have offered 10+ versions of one OS. Also if you get professional, it bugs you to buy Ultimate? Huh

Also, Lion was £29, Windows 8 is £150+, people aint gonna be as willing.

Also Windows 8 includes what, a tablet UI made for kittens?? If you want to upgrade just for that when you don't even have a touchscreen.

ill know when windows is great when steve balmer laughs at it and calls it a joke..like he did with the iphone.
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post #113 of 127
11/22/11 at 5:43pm
Microsoft has been delivering software as downloads for years and years in their partner program. They were the first to distribute software by download, to partners and corporations. At the time, they were the only ones whose internet connections made it practical.

Apple is the first to distribute an operating system by download to consumers.

I tell people that I am a Microsoft Certified Professional, and that's why I use a Mac.
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post #114 of 127
11/22/11 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Except for being an internet-based option that is pretty much the opposite of simple. MS is following Apple lead here, as usual.

Seriously that is your answer? You are fooking brainwashed!

So Lion uses the Mac App store and Windows 7 uses the microsoft online store. Windows 7 did it first. Snow leopard was not availble online...Windows 7 was.
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post #115 of 127
11/22/11 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I can imagine quite a few disasters during the process as numerous pop ups tell users they need to click here and there to update this and that and that this has failed and that this was unable to find a driver. Windows will no doubt try to run an update the current version for many at the same times as it is downloading the new version and none of this takes into account the anti virus software trying to do its thing, or even their things. I've lost count of the PC users I have helped that had three or four anti virus programs all checking everything even though most had expired, they simply didn't have the latest databases but were still chugging along competing for CPU cycles and disk access...

Oh this will be fun.

The Windows 7 online install (came before Lion), would pop up and ask you if it could disable specific programs to prevent what you speak of. The user had the very difficult task of clicking on "yes". Maybe they can make it read your mind with Windows 8?
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post #116 of 127
11/22/11 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by 80025 View Post

It's important to keep in mind that the App Store approach to downloading application and OS software is an integrated approach (information, selection, billing, delivery), whereas the MS download approach is piecemeal at best. Recall that when Win 7 came out, there was an option for educators and students to download the upgrade. It went something like this:

1. Go to the MS site and enter your academic credentials. Typically requiring a .edu e-mail address. Or go to another web site for information on mailing a copy of your current class enrollment schedule.
2. Wait to receive an e-mail or hard copy of the URL to purchase the upgrade.
3. Go the the dowload URL and select either the Home or Professional version. Then select either the 32 or 64 bit version (where applicable).
4. Go to the next web site where you can enter your billing information.
5. Wait to receive an e-mail containing the appropriate download link. E-mail also contains the MS serial number.
6. Download the 3-4 Gb file.

While this cumbersome and convoluted process did eventually deliver an OS upgrade download, it's hardly an Apple-type Store. More like MS cludging bits and pieces together to make it APPEAR to be something new and different.

Ok yeah so for non .edu folks it went like this.

1. Go to the micorosfot online store, choose digital delivery.
2. Enter your credit card info if you have never purchased anything there (likely)
3. Click downloand and install.
4. Say yes to shutting off specific apps that may cause a problem with the install.


vs Lion

1. Go to the Mac App store, choose Lion.
2. Enter your credit card info if you have not before...and create an Apple ID as well possibly.
3. Click Install (downloads a 3.6gig file..looking at the file now on my NAS)
4. It may pop up telling some apps are NOT Lion compatible.

Amazing difference.
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post #117 of 127
11/22/11 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

HOW? Is that physically possible?

And isn't there a file-consistency check at the end of the download that would red-flag any bits out of place?

Oh I guess they hack the certficate used for SSL, the 2048bit one??????????????????? Yeah probably happen day 2?

The fanboy shite on this site is amazing.
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post #118 of 127
11/22/11 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Isn't that just the perfect expression? Tilted head, slightly furrowed eyebrows, and just a hint of a smile.

And I see you still have Installer installed.

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That's some serious "ohl-schul", son. Back in the iPhone OS 2.0 days.

not only installer, but he has NES too… and the looks of it i'm sure it is iPhone 1st generation…

my way or the highway...

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post #119 of 127
11/22/11 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

Seriously that is your answer? You are fooking brainwashed!

So Lion uses the Mac App store and Windows 7 uses the microsoft online store. Windows 7 did it first. Snow leopard was not availble online...Windows 7 was.

you can't install windows 7 directly after downloading it, you need to make a DVD or bootable USB drive whereas Lion can be installed directly… so solips argument is right that apple is first for this thing and microsoft is following them…

my way or the highway...

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my way or the highway...

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post #120 of 127
11/22/11 at 9:41pm
Heh, even quicker to pirate and distribute I imagine don't have to wait for the retail version getting pressed just ESD.
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