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I think that Siri may have started her holiday celebration a little early...

Here's an actulal exchange from yesterday:

"How are you today, Siri?"

"Finer than frog hair, Oh Omnipotent one!"


Really happened!

"How are you today, Tellme?"

"Please rephrase your command"

"Tellme how are you today?"

"For information about how Tellme works, please contact your administrator."

"Why does Microsoft always Tellme to contact my administrator? Is that really necessary for a consumer product?"

"Please rephrase your command"

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #122 of 136
When Apple locked down Siri to the iPhone 4S for no good reason then I can see why he came to the assumption that the phone had nothing new. The only thing that stops Siri from going to older iPhones is one line of code that Apple put there. I can understand if Siri did not work with older models because of hardware limitations but Apple gimped Siri on purpose to sell phones. Corporate America at its finest.

Reference:

"http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/a-look-at-how-applidium-reverse-engineered-siris-protocol.ars"
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When Apple locked down Siri to the iPhone 4S for no good reason then I can see why he came to the assumption that the phone had nothing new. The only thing that stops Siri from going to older iPhones is one line of code that Apple put there. I can understand if Siri did not work with older models because of hardware limitations but Apple gimped Siri on purpose to sell phones. Corporate America at its finest.

Reference:

"http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/a-look-at-how-applidium-reverse-engineered-siris-protocol.ars"

More of this crap? Siri has HW limitations that make it a poor choice to add to 120 million iOS based devices at once. Put down your torch and pitchfork and think about it.

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post #124 of 136
I posted this to another thread:


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I've been experimenting using Siri to find and play music from iTunes Match on iCloud.

After a few false starts, it works quite well (though, in the US, Siri seems to understand Castillian Spanish better than Mexican Spanish).

Long story, short!


I predict that Apple will make Siri available on every device that can support it ASAP!


Why?

Let me illustrate:

"Siri play something by'Sheena Melwani"

Siri: "Looking for 'Sheena Melwani'..."

Siri: "You don't have anything by 'Sheena Melwani' in your music.


----> This is where the dialog ends ... In the present beta.


Here's the obvious continuation of the above conversation:

Siri: "I found 2 Albums and 21 songs by 'Sheena Melwani' in the iTunes Music Store. Would you like to preview them?"

...

Why? I'll tell you why... Because Siri can buy things for you!


Edit: Kinda makes you want Siri on your TV too...
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post #125 of 136
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More of this crap? Siri has HW limitations that make it a poor choice to add to 120 million iOS based devices at once. Put down your torch and pitchfork and think about it.

Name your source that says it has hardware limitations.
post #126 of 136
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Name your source that says it has hardware limitations.

It's server and bandwidth limitstions...

Apple learned from its MobileMe rollout:

Don't try to deliver everything to everybody at the same time.

Likely, there are 100 million pre-iPhone 4S iDevices capable of running Siri.

Apple's Siri servers were overloaded with 1/25th of that many iPhone 4S sales in the 1st weekend.

104 million iDevices hitting Siri's servers would have brought them to their knees...

Not to mention 100 million iDevices upgrading to iOS 5, immediately, just so they could access Siri (had it been included for other than the iP4S)..

There is a reason that Eddie Cue was promoted to SVP!
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post #127 of 136
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It's server and bandwidth limitstions...

Apple learned from its MobileMe rollout:

Don't try to deliver everything to everybody at the same time.

Likely, there are 100 million pre-iPhone 4S iDevices capable of running Siri.

Apple's Siri servers were overloaded with 1/25th of that many iPhone 4S sales in the 1st weekend.

104 million iDevices hitting Siri's servers would have brought them to their knees...

Not to mention 100 million iDevices upgrading to iOS 5, immediately, just so they could access Siri (had it been included for other than the iP4S)..

There is a reason that Eddie Cue was promoted to SVP!

I thought giving him the clue of "120 million iOS based device" would have prevented his silly response.

I don't get how these people function but there comments are common enough. They know there is a server aspect to Siri, that the voice packets are offloaded to a server to be parsed and the results of the query are sent back to the user's device, yet they also seem oblivious that the server and bandwidth are HW and have very real limitations. Limitations that were brought to the brink with 4 million iPhone 4Ses the first weekend, yet for some myopic reason having 120 million iOS-based devices Beta testing Siri all at the same time shouldn't be an issue because "it's only one line of code."

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post #128 of 136
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ve been experimenting using Siri to find and play music from iTunes Match on iCloud.

After a few false starts, it works quite well (though, in the US, Siri seems to understand Castillian Spanish better than Mexican Spanish).

Long story, short!

I predict that Apple will make Siri available on every device that can support it ASAP!

[…]
Why? I'll tell you why... Because Siri can buy things for you!


Edit: Kinda makes you want Siri on your TV too...

I think it's certainly possible. The opportunity to 1) data mine their users is too great a resource, while 2) keeping Google et al. from getting access to these resources is very valuable.

The problem will depend on when the service could possibly be feasible to roll out for more devices. I expect the next iPad will get Siri access, but backing it up to old devices means a lot of backend has to be added and well vetted, and with the growth rate of iPhone and iPad sales that might simply not be feasible before those devices have run their upgrade cycles.

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post #129 of 136
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I thought giving him the clue of "120 million iOS based device" would have prevented his silly response.

I don't get how these people function but there comments are common enough. They know there is a server aspect to Siri, that the voice packets are offloaded to a server to be parsed and the results of the query are sent back to the user's device, yet they also seem oblivious that the server and bandwidth are HW and have very real limitations. Limitations that were brought to the brink with 4 million iPhone 4Ses the first weekend, yet for some myopic reason having 120 million iOS-based devices Beta testing Siri all at the same time shouldn't be an issue because "it's only one line of code."

Yeah... Most people have trouble visualizing 4 million of anything ... Let alone 100-120 million.

Maybe this will help:

Think of what would happen to the water supply if all the urinals in New York City were flushed at the same instant in time...

No need to worry about the water supply... You'll be up to your ears in piss, first!
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post #130 of 136
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Yeah... Most people have trouble visualizing 4 million of anything ... Let alone 100-120 million.

Maybe this will help:

Think of what would happen to the water supply if all the urinals in New York City were flushed at the same instant in time...

No need to worry about the water supply... You'll be up to your ears in piss, first!

I seem to get to New York just after that has happened all over the streets.

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post #131 of 136
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Microsoft's Craig Mundie said that the iPhone's Siri voice recognition software is not new technology as a similar system has been available on the Windows Phone for over a year, and claims Apple marketed the capability to shift focus away from the iPhone 4S's lack of new features.

Craig Mundie interview with Forbes' Eric Savitz at Techonomy Conference | Source: Forbes



It is really sad to see how a formally great company has so badly lost the plot. Microsoft's hubris is amazing leading them to repeatedly make ridiculous comments and claims about Apple.

Siri totally trounces Tellme in this head to head comparison. See the video:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHouk...ature=youtu.be

Remember Ballmer's first reaction to the iPhone. He laughed at it and sneered that he much preferred Microsoft's mobile strategy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

He said that the iPhone would never appeal to business customers - the iPhone now has 45% of the enterprise market!

And remember how Microsfft claimed they were going to bury the iPhone and even organised a mock funeral for it when they launched WP7. At that time windows mobile had 7% smartphone market share and iDC and Gartner claimed they would push the iPhone into 3rd place.

Since then Windows Mobile has sunk like a stone with market share dropping to less than 2%.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yeah... Most people have trouble visualizing 4 million of anything ... Let alone 100-120 million.

Maybe this will help:

Think of what would happen to the water supply if all the urinals in New York City were flushed at the same instant in time...

No need to worry about the water supply... You'll be up to your ears in piss, first!

MSFT demonstrates its superiority here : No similar risk with Windows Phones ...
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MSFT demonstrates its superiority here : No similar risk with Windows Phones ...

Superiority in lack of numbers...
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post #134 of 136
Here's a comparison that is just too funny.

http://youtu.be/SHoukZpMhDE
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Here's a comparison that is just too funny.

http://youtu.be/SHoukZpMhDE

LOL @ "Teen Anal"

Obviously TellMe uses popular search terms to guess what's being asked.
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LOL @ "Teen Anal"

Obviously TellMe uses popular search terms to guess what's being asked.

Why can't you look up an actress by name without the word "feet" being appended to her name as the top or nearly top hit by Google's suggestions. Too many weirdos on the Internet.

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