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post #41 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:36pm
If Mundie actually believed in their "Siri-like" capabilities he would've been marketing the hell out of it for the last year. But he doesn't, so he didn't. Marketing by whining is not effective.

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post #42 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:38pm
Pathetic. How many ways can you spell fail, other than MSFT!
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post #43 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Windows Phones have had Siri-like functionality for over a year

I used to ride a bicycle when I was a kid... it had 2 wheels, a seat, and a pair of handle bars. So with Microsoft's thinking, it had "motorcycle like functionality", right?
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post #44 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:46pm
Of course Microsoft are on the cutting edge with their partner Nokia who are about to release their new Lumia WP7 handset next year in the USA.

It features all new technology that is on the bleeding edge such as:

Single core CPU
No front facing camera
Plastic construction
dodgy buttons
720p video recording
no mobile hotspot capability


Pretty good for a phone due out soon, hope Apple can keep up with Nokia and Microsofts progress because thats one hell of a steep mountain to climb.
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post #45 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:46pm
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I used to ride a bicycle when I was a kid... it had 2 wheels, a seat, and a pair of handle bars. So with Microsoft's thinking, it had "motorcycle like functionality", right?

Only if you had a playing card held on the fork with a clothespin to flap in the spokes.
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post #46 of 136
11/23/11 at 3:50pm
...everyone is just riding Apples wake trying to eek out a living. MS, Nokia... They all are just trying to catch up. Apple does not invent most of which they bring to market, they just make it desirable because it's simple, elegant, reliable and it just works out of the box.

Every time one of their competitors (MS, Nokia...) try to come out with something Appleish they just look like idiots, they are out of there league. TellMe is a perfect example! I've never heard of it until this interview. MS obviously did not think enough of it to market it... so how am I suppose to take it seriously? seriously!

The MS store is another example... there is an Apple and MS store in the mall by my house (Park Meadows). The MS store is ~3x bigger then the Apple store but I never see even half the people in the MS store that are in the Apple store... The MS store employees usually out number the customers... It's a perfect example of MS trying to be something it's not! It's pitiful that MS seems to think that they need to copy Apple. They are not perceived as "cool" like Apple and never will be so just forget it and do what you do best!

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post #47 of 136
11/23/11 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.
It's just not well thought out in the way it's used, and video clearly demonstrated that it's functionality is limited and unfocused. It's like Siri in many general aspects, but it's the way all these technologies are put together, including good natural language support, that makes it a breakthrough the way the original iPhone was a breakthrough in world that already had smartphone and touchscreens.

"Who am I?"

Siri: "You're Oh Omnipotent one, at least that's what you told me"

"Who are you?"

Siri: "I am Siri"

"Are you serous Siri?"

Siri: "Yes, I'm not allowed to be frivolous"

"Will you have a drink with me?"

Siri: "I found 16 bars fairly close to you"

"Are you hitting on me?"

Siri: "I'm sorry, Oh Omnipotent one, I can't answer that"
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post #48 of 136
11/23/11 at 4:38pm
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This is another example of why MS execs just don't get it - He thinks they have to study Apple's marketing.

Apple isn't eating everyone's lunch because of it's marketing. In fact, Apple's marketing up until the last few years has been practically nil. What MS clearly doesn't understand is that Apple got to where it is by producing a great User Experience. Not the best hardware, or discounts, or tricky little app, or sales pitch or by crippling the competition, but by an overall experience that ordinary people want. This is something that MS (and in fact most companies) have yet to do or even understand.

Actually marketing has been a huge part of why apple is dating everyone's lunch. An there isn't anything Negative about that. Apple has had fantasting marketing which other companies should envy, I'm still amazed at how poorly competitors market thier products. It matters.
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post #49 of 136
11/23/11 at 4:39pm
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Actually marketing has been a huge part of why apple is dating everyone's lunch. An there isn't anything Negative about that. Apple has had fantasting marketing which other companies should envy, I'm still amazed at how poorly competitors market thier products. It matters.

I like how the Galaxy S is marketed *sans that satire commercial*......

But they show like 1 commercial and that's it. They need more free publicity.
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post #50 of 136
11/23/11 at 4:56pm
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Actually marketing has been a huge part of why apple is dating everyone's lunch. An there isn't anything Negative about that. Apple has had fantasting marketing which other companies should envy, I'm still amazed at how poorly competitors market thier products. It matters.

"Actually marketing has been a huge part of why apple is dating everyone's lunch."

Tell me that that's just a typo and not a Freudian slip
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post #51 of 136
11/23/11 at 4:57pm
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"Actually marketing has been a huge part of why apple is dating everyone's lunch."

Tell me that that's just a typo and not A Freudian slip

Oreoipus Complex?
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post #52 of 136
11/23/11 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

Of course Microsoft are on the cutting edge with their partner Nokia who are about to release their new Lumia WP7 handset next year in the USA.

It features all new technology that is on the bleeding edge such as:

Single core CPU
No front facing camera
Plastic construction
dodgy buttons
720p video recording
no mobile hotspot capability


Pretty good for a phone due out soon, hope Apple can keep up with Nokia and Microsofts progress because thats one hell of a steep mountain to climb.

Can you provide me the link that says that is the phone they are releasing to the US? Because you are listing the specs of the currently available model, not an unknown model that hasn't been announced yet.
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post #53 of 136
11/23/11 at 5:28pm
The problem is that many consumers are stupid. Many don't research. Because of this, you have to drum up marketing and focus on key features.

I switched from iPhone 4 to iPhone 4S. Siri is alright, I use it on occasion. The camera is better and the phone is faster. Not everyone needs to upgrade, but it's a better phone period.

Nothing would ever lure me back to a Microsoft product, but I don't deny that Windows Phone 7.5 certainly has its merits and might be a great phone for some. They can market to their crowd, in fact they should market better. But I like the Apple ecosystem.
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post #54 of 136
11/23/11 at 5:31pm
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Have you found the Eliza mode in Siri?

No I haven't found her yet. How does that make you feel?

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post #55 of 136
11/23/11 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.
It's just not well thought out in the way it's used, and video clearly demonstrated that it's functionality is limited and unfocused. It's like Siri in many general aspects, but it's the way all these technologies are put together, including good natural language support, that makes it a breakthrough the way the original iPhone was a breakthrough in world that already had smartphone and touchscreens.

The video looks like a demo.
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post #56 of 136
11/23/11 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Splif View Post

The video looks like a demo.

In fact, the TellMe video is a conceptual video equivalent to the famous Apple Knowledge Navigator. This is what every other company does, they fantasize about releasing "magical" products while Apple actually does it.

In reality, Microsoft TellMe is nothing like the concept video. If you search for Microsoft TellMe you will find the website and upon further investigation the website is linked to Windows Phone 7 speech recognition. The website is also quite clear that you are expected to remember and use specific commands. The list of commands follows.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphon...-my-phone.aspx

Microsoft probably does believe TellMe is equivalent to Siri just like Google believes Voice Actions is equivalent to Siri.

When Apple releases their spectacular Map app next year everyone will say they have had 3D maps with navigation for years as well.
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post #57 of 136
11/23/11 at 6:40pm
Tellme used to be a customer of mine prior to their acquisition by Microsoft. Their technology is really based on 'voice navigation of the web'. AT&T is/was one of their largest customers. Siri is based on AI technology developed at Stanford Research Institute (SRI hence the name 'Siri'). This interview is another M$ executive saying 'we have that too' without really knowing what he's talking about. It's not that Tellme isn't good technology, it's just different than Siri. You can access Tellme on ANY cell phone. Most people who use Tellme are completely unaware they are using it. Siri, on the other hand, is specifically accessed by the user and only (today) available on the iPhone 4S...
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post #58 of 136
11/23/11 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.

You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.

That demo shows interactivity way beyond what Siri is at the moment. If that were in Windows Phone 7.5 it would have been a huge deal.

In Windows Phone 7.5 Tellme is a voice recognition and command system which, beyond the basic stuff like making a call or sending a text, hooks into the existing Bing local search stuff which isn't that far removed from the Bing app on iPad/iPhone (which you should download and check out BTW).

As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands (you can't add a reminder, set an alarm or add a meeting for example) and is locked to Bing so asking something like "what is the distance to the moon?" or "what is the maximum air speed of a dragonfly?" will just get you a Bing answer instead of pulling the result from Wolfram Alpha like Siri.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF5IVKj8QDk
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post #59 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:03pm
Mundie's comments are so pathetically hilarious! Microsoft chokes once again, but hey, we had that awesome feature a year ago! What the heck ever...good luck with your phone, btw...
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post #60 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:15pm
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You know that video isn't real right? It's just one of those fake videos that Microsoft do something showing where they are taking their technology.

I thought I made that abundantly clear with my comments about the video. Plus the video speaks for itself. It found hotel locations that seat 250 people for a weeding on a particular day. Without APIs that tie into websites or some other backend system that just isn't possible data to retrieve. Even then such a system could be easily gamed.


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As it stands the list of Tellme commands is only a small fraction of what Siri understands.

It's slightly above Apple's Voice Commands system in that it can address and send a text using speech-to-text and it can open an app, which is a pretty pointless action in and of itself.

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post #61 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:29pm
"Who's the most repulsive person you've ever met?"

Siri: "Here's your current location"
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post #62 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:32pm
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No I haven't found her yet. How does that make you feel?


So you want to talk about you haven't found her yet?
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post #63 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:32pm
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...and it can open an app, which is a pretty pointless action in and of itself.

Ahh... But that's a good start...
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post #64 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

Microsoft probably does believe TellMe is equivalent to Siri...

I'd bet my house they don't.
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post #65 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Ahh... But that's a good start...

No way, that should never be a direct command unless it's for Accessibility.

Here's a scenario:

"Open up Settings"
(Siri opens Settings)
"Open General"
(Siri opens General)
"Open Network"
(Siri opens Network"
"Open VPN"
(Siri opens VPN)
"Enable VPN"
(Siri enables VPN)

Or you could simply tell Siri to "Enable VPN in Settings".

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post #66 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:49pm
You know, it seems like MS does this a lot. They get asked something Apple is doing and they sort of snort and claim they've been doing that without getting any credit, and it's just that Apple is good at marketing.

What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.

Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.

Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?

Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.
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post #67 of 136
11/23/11 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

No way, that should never be a direct command unless it's for Accessibility.

Here's a scenario:

"Open up Settings"
(Siri opens Settings)
"Open General"
(Siri opens General)
"Open Network"
(Siri opens Network"
"Open VPN"
(Siri opens VPN)
"Enable VPN"
(Siri enables VPN)

Or you could simply tell Siri to "Enable VPN in Settings".

Yes... I misunderstood... Of course the latter is correct.

Opening an app by itself, is half a job -- done minimally...

Asking an app to do something for you (accomplishing something) is what it's all about...

You really are the same old [argumentative] Sol
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post #68 of 136
11/23/11 at 8:30pm
I think Microsoft should spend more time marketing mobile windows platform and roll out faster than they have been doing.
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post #69 of 136
11/23/11 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by janeshepard View Post

Mundie: I mean, all thats already there. Fully functional, been there for a year.

Somaybe that really is why Mundie dismisses Siri: Microsofts version of the feature hasnt sparked sales of the Windows Phone 7, so he cant imagine its a big deal on any platform.

Moreover, Microsofts culture is throughly suffused with robber baron thinking, even at the research nexus he inhabitsits the only way Microsoft knows how to make money.

In other words, he and the rest of the chiefs make such unwittingly ignorant remarks because they habitually wear big, fat dollar signs like horse blinders. Whoa, Nellie!

Welcome to the forum and good post. "Robber baron" is right.
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post #70 of 136
11/23/11 at 8:47pm
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You know, it seems like MS does this a lot. They get asked something Apple is doing and they sort of snort and claim they've been doing that without getting any credit, and it's just that Apple is good at marketing.

What's scary is that they may actually believe it. That the only difference between Apple's successes and their own failures is marketing, and that the half-assed, user hostile versions of things they put on the market are just as good as what Apple does, but Apple cheats because they have some kind of mysterious mind control thing going on. If only people would just take of their Apple blinkers, they'd see that Microsoft has all this totally awesome user experience stuff too.

Those stupid blue-sky MS of the future concept videos, like the one linked to earlier, are part of the problem. It's almost as if they think that because they've made a video about what they might do if they ever get around to it, they should get credit for shipping product. I notice that video featured (in addition to the hilariously capable natural language recognition) a casually referenced TV interface (a brief shot of a "view on phone/TV" menu item) and a Kinect gesture to chose images on the TV.

Cool! Why not just freaking do it, MS? You have the parts, why are you dicking around with videos? Is it because getting all those parts to work together is really hard? Can you not do really hard?

Apple is about integration. They've been building out an integrated meta-platform for over 10 years. They don't have warring internal factions, the OS X people aren't sabotaging Apple TV because of turf battles, the iPod Touch doesn't get hamstrung because the iPhone people are jealous of their empire. If MS wants to whine about how they don't get credit for being innovative, then for god's sake stop letting your lieutenants create autonomous silos and pick a master plan and freaking stick to it. You don't get to complain if you can't execute.

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post #71 of 136
11/23/11 at 9:20pm
Sorry M$, the real news is that you have had out for over a year and still no one cares. Keep doing what your doing Ballmer!! Your slowly sinking the ship your piloting and it sucks to be you.
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post #72 of 136
11/23/11 at 9:21pm
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Sorry M$, the real news is that you have had out for over a year and still no one cares. Keep doing what your doing Ballmer!! Your slowly sinking the ship your piloting and it sucks to be you.

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post #73 of 136
11/23/11 at 9:26pm
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"In a sense, you know, many people were disappointed with [Apple's] newest phone because it wasn't a completely new thing, so the only thing they really had to hammer on was that feature," Mundie said. "Maybe we need to pick a feature and hammer on it harder."

Yeah, because dual core processors are nothing new.

So how many Windows phones have dual core?..

...obviously if dual core is nothing new, why bother.

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post #74 of 136
11/23/11 at 10:11pm
Look at the YouTube thing, posted a few months ago, that someone posted the URL for (look above). Typical Microsoft marketing. It's fishy. The whole thing has the stink of a Microsoft "vision of the future." The tipoff: the dialogue is perfect. It's not just natural language, it's elliptical, and one of the questions would have to be repeated to make sense. Tip-off: the tablet at the end doesn't exist, and it seems to be running WP7!
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11/23/11 at 10:16pm
Didn't MS say just a few weeks ago Siri was a waste of tech and no one wants or needs to talk into their phone? ... Now they're claiming they had it first? Make up your mind - which is it, MSFT!!??!
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11/23/11 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post

Didn't MS say just a few weeks ago Siri was a waste of tech and no one wants or needs to talk into their phone? ... Now they're claiming they had it first? Make up your mind - which is it, MSFT!!??!

Andy Lees thinks talking to your phone in certain places (like your car) is useful, and doing it in public is not so useful.

Google's Andy Rubin said "Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldnt be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone"

It sounds like you got your Andy's mixed up!
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post #77 of 136
11/23/11 at 11:07pm
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Every time one of their competitors (MS, Nokia...) try to come out with something Appleish they just look like idiots, <..>

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True, and the logical conclusion (Spock's saying) which comes out is : they ARE idiots
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11/23/11 at 11:17pm
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post #79 of 136
11/23/11 at 11:25pm
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"Maybe we need to pick a feature and hammer on it harder."

If you need someone to TELL you "voice control that works" is a game-changer, pure sci-fi, everything changes now function - it make me wonder who is actually in charge of not just marketing but the entire strategy......
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post #80 of 136
11/24/11 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

MS's comparison of Tell Me to Siri is just wrong on every level of wrongness.
It's just not well thought out in the way it's used, and video clearly demonstrated that it's functionality is limited and unfocused. It's like Siri in many general aspects, but it's the way all these technologies are put together, including good natural language support, that makes it a breakthrough the way the original iPhone was a breakthrough in world that already had smartphone and touchscreens.

I'm sorry but to me it seems like you're just jealous that Apple copied MS's TellMe and named it Siri.
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