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Hitachi and Sony are reported to have teamed up to supply Apple with 4-inch LCD displays for an unspecified iOS device that will hit the market in 2012. Meanwhile, Apple is also said to be working on a fundamentally distinct display technology for the iPad 4.

Citing sources within Apple's Far Eastern supply chain, macotakara.jp claims that Hitachi Displays, Ltd. and Sony Mobile Display Corporation have begun shipments of 4-inch LCD panels to Apple for unspecified iOS device due next year.

The two companies are further reported to merge their business with Toshiba Mobile Display Co., Ltd. to form "Japan Display" in 2012 spring.

The report arrives on the heels of claims from the Wall Street Journal, which said earlier this week that Sharp will also produce panels for the iPad 3 at its Kameyama No. 2 plant in central Japan; Apple typically sources its components from multiple partners.

A person familiar with the matter further claimed Apple has invested an unspecified amount in Sharp's factories. The investment is believed to help support Sharp's production capacity for IGZO (indium, gallium, zinc) LCD panels for the next iPhone and iPad that will allow for thinner designs and improved battery performance.

"The IGZO technology is perfect in that it offers near-OLED power consumption while having a lower cost and thinness that is only 25% greater than OLED, based on our checks," said Jeffries analyst Peter Misek.

Meanwhile, macotakara.jp also cites the same sources as saying that an unspecified Taiwanese company will soon be "providing LCD technology faces" to Apple for a "fundamentally changed" iPad 4 that will be manufactured by a new process.
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This is all beyond my imagination what will be so different.
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Hitach and Sony are reported to have teamed up to supply Apple with 4-inch LCD displays for an unspecified iOS device that will hit the market in 2012.

Hitach?

Most likely Hitachi.
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And the point of talking about something that's beyond what is most recently new and doesn't even exist yet is…?

I mean, if they were going to push up the 'new display technology' from the 4 to the 3, sure, but why be concerned with this when it's very irrelevant to iPad 3 display production?

Having said that, I think Intel should just forget about everything between here and Skymont and just jump to that.

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And the point of talking about something that's beyond what is most recently new and doesn't even exist yet is?

I mean, if they were going to push up the 'new display technology' from the 4 to the 3, sure, but why be concerned with this when it's very irrelevant to iPad 3 display production?

Having said that, I think Intel should just forget about everything between here and Skymont and just jump to that.


What will Apple use a 4 inch display for? A new iTouch?
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Well, I guess some hedge fund is shorting Hitachi and Sony and hoping to pump and dump.
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What will Apple use a 4 inch display for? A new iTouch?

If Apple uses a 4" display it seems a future gen iPhone and iPod Touch would be the most likely recipients.

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What will Apple use a 4 inch display for? A new iTouch?

AppleTV remote?

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What will Apple use a 4 inch display for?

Apple TV remote.

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A new iTouch?

Now you're just doing it on purpose.

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And the point of talking about something that's beyond what is most recently new and doesn't even exist yet is…?

Is to set your expectations so high that Apple couldn't possibly meet it, thus creating vocal minority of unhappy tech bloggers who complain so that the media can report how big a failure the iPhone 4S is until the next day when it becomes the fastest selling smartphone ever, and the media makes that the new story and forgot how big a failure it was the day before.

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This is all beyond my imagination what will be so different.

The new display technology will be a 10" iPad with retina display that expands to an Apple 50" tv when placed in its dock.
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Apple TV remote.

They've already done that.



ooops! My mistake.
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The new display technology will be a 10" iPad with retina display that expands to an Apple 50" tv when placed in its dock.

LAME, super LAME.
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It's, iHitach



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Hitach?

Most likely Hitachi.
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They've already done that.
ooops! My mistake.

They just don't even give a flying frick that they're blatantly stealing, do they?

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MacBooks would be Perfect candidates for a 4 inch multitouch display. Imagine a trackpad that had a retina display that you could interact with even more.

Apple would never make a 4 inch screen portable device. It's too big for one hand to use and to small for two hands to use.

Take it from me; a hard core industrial designer.
APPLE WILL NEVER MAKE A 4 INCH IOS DEVICE.

a 4 inch multitouch retina display trackpad?
HECK YA!
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MacBooks would be Perfect candidates for a 4 inch multitouch display. Imagine a trackpad that had a retina display that you could interact with even more.

Apple would never make a 4 inch screen portable device. It's too big for one hand to use and to small for two hands to use.

Take it from me; a hard core industrial designer.
APPLE WILL NEVER MAKE A 4 INCH IOS DEVICE.

a 4 inch multitouch retina display trackpad?
HECK YA!

1) Your assumption on 4" being too large for one hand assumes that the bezel and thickness of th device would remain constant, when a combination of these two being reduced could made the one handed thumb radius just as useful as the current 3.5" display.

2) I've long believed the future of the multi-touch trackpad is to add visual output, but it would not have to be Retina Display to be useful. In fact, this is where AMOLED would be ideal in that it could be black (using no power) most of the times and only displaying over part or all of the trackpad as needed. BTW, the trackpad is already appears to be over 4.5" on the diagonal.

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Is to set your expectations so high that Apple couldn't possibly meet it, thus creating vocal minority of unhappy tech bloggers who complain so that the media can report how big a failure the iPhone 4S is until the next day when it becomes the fastest selling smartphone ever, and the media makes that the new story and forgot how big a failure it was the day before.

No one called the 4S a failure. They said it was a disappointment. Not the same.
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1) Your assumption on 4" being too large for one hand assumes that the bezel and thickness of th device would remain constant, when a combination of these two being reduced could made the one handed thumb radius just as useful as the current 3.5" display.

2) I've long believed the future of the multi-touch trackpad is to add visual output, but it would not have to be Retina Display to be useful. In fact, this is where AMOLED would be ideal in that it could be black (using no power) most of the times and only displaying over part or all of the trackpad as needed. BTW, the trackpad is already appears to be over 4.5" on the diagonal.

What about all of the app developers? They would have to re-adjust all of their apps to fit a new display. This could make a lot of developers mad.

Your 2nd point makes sense. Also a track pad with a display could stimulate MacBook pro sales again, and they could simply leave the air with its traditional trackpad.
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What about all of the app developers? They would have to re-adjust all of their apps to fit a new display. This could make a lot of developers mad.

Sure, it's a world where you can't keep changing the display size or resolution at will the way Apple did with the iPod Nano, but after the 3GS gets deprecated so there is only one resolution for the 3.5" display size to develop for, adding a 4" size with or without the same resolution as the current iPhone, would be possible. Devs would need some time to optimize their apps, but I don't think a 4" 960x640 display in the hands of customers for a couple months would deter too many buyers, especially if this was the size they were planning on sticking with for many years. I would end up just being a blip on the radar the way the less-than-ideal 480x320 apps looked on the iPhone 4.

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What will Apple use a 4 inch display for? A new iTouch?

Mac nano?

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Apple HDTV remote control?
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No one called the 4S a failure. They said it was a disappointment. Not the same.

What exactly were these non-disappointing changes from the Galaxy S to the Galaxy S II? Moving from 4.0" to 4.3"? You really think they'll be adding 0.3" inches to the display every year as a selling point? Good luck with that¡

Seems like they keep changing the Galaxy displays (3.2", 4.0, and 4.3") because they can't find one that really works well. Hopefully for them this year will be different.

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post #24 of 109
Weak.

AI is gettin' soft.

I wanna hear rumors about iPad 5, 6, 7 and 8.

(sarcasm)

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And the point of talking about something that's beyond what is most recently new and doesn't even exist yet is…?

I mean, if they were going to push up the 'new display technology' from the 4 to the 3, sure, but why be concerned with this when it's very irrelevant to iPad 3 display production?

Having said that, I think Intel should just forget about everything between here and Skymont and just jump to that.

I know, I know, and here is something from the original Japanese story, the true interpretaion of which will drive everybody here crazy.

"This source told additionally, because structure of LCD for iPad 4 will be changed fundamentally, Taiwanese company providing LCD technology faces to decision of changing production process."

Clearly [only some sarcasm] they're referring to an autostereoscopic, glasses-free 3D display for the iPad 4. That means we don't have to rush into making 3D movies for the iPad just now. But people interested in stereo movie making should be getting ready for the big event, when Apple shows how it should be done on the display end, only one year and a few months from now.
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iPad 4 ?1? What? How far ahead can these rumours go?!
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Ideally the new displays would be for the iPod Touch and iPhone. If Apple is taking quantity of 4" displays now then I don't know what that means. An iPhone 5 coming soon?

Definitely too small for a mini-iPad. Maybe these will be the remotes for the new Apple branded televisions. You get a 4" iPod Touch with every television.

It is fun to speculate, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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What exactly were these non-disappointing changes from the Galaxy S to the Galaxy S II? Moving from 4.0" to 4.3"? You really think they'll be adding 0.3" inches to the display every year as a selling point? Good luck with that¡

Seems like they keep changing the Galaxy displays (3.2", 4.0, and 4.3") because they can't find one that really works well. Hopefully for them this year will be different.

the S and the S2 look different...are different.

I'm not saying I agree with the bloggers and the naysayers, I'm just correcting you.

Also I think anything larger than 4inches is retarded...maybe a 4.3 inch screen on a phone the size of the G2X at max but unless bevels get smaller screens need to stop growing.

For that reason I will not be buying the Galaxy Nexus...4.65 is unnecessary...and I have large hands.
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Is to set your expectations so high that Apple couldn't possibly meet it, thus creating vocal minority of unhappy tech bloggers who complain so that the media can report how big a failure the iPhone 4S is until the next day when it becomes the fastest selling smartphone ever, and the media makes that the new story and forgot how big a failure it was the day before.

Don't forget about all the expert investors here who will not complain as the rumors drive the stock up from 360 to 420, but will MOAN when the stock drops back to 400 after hopes are dashed.
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[removed] meant to edit, not quote myself.
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the S and the S2 look different...are different.

I'm not saying I agree with the bloggers and the naysayers, I'm just correcting you.

So you're correcting me to say that the Galaxy versions LOOK different therefore they appeal to new Android buyers. Gee, where did I just see a Samsung ad accusing iPhone users of doing exactly that despite sales and demand proving otherwise?¡

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post #32 of 109
Apple has apparently gotten tired of eating Korean BBQ and they're now moving towards Japanese Sushi instead.

Talking about the iPad 3 is lame and it's so last year. iPad 4 rumors is where it's at now.
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So you're correcting me to say that the Galaxy versions LOOK different therefore they appeal to new Android buyers. Gee, where did I just see a Samsung ad accusing iPhone users of doing exactly that despite sales and demand proving otherwise?¡

No the correction was in mentioning that the bloggers were disappointed, not saying the iPhone 4S was a failure.

I was telling you that the S and the S2 look different and are different because you suggested otherwise.

You're debating me for no reason when I'm simply telling you what the blogs actually were saying...regular people may have been saying it's a failure, but the blogs were not.
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No one called the 4S a failure. They said it was a disappointment. Not the same.

I think the original iPad was also considered a disappointment (no camera, lack of ports, etc.). I doubt that there is anything Apple can come out with that will exceed expectations or won't be a disappointment. Apple is being set up by the media and Wall Street as a company that underachieves. I'm not saying the company is underachieving, I'm saying that that's how it's being made to look for investors.

Since most Android smartphones have rather limited production runs, vendors can put in all sorts of the latest tech and if it doesn't work, so what. They'll cut that model and add some features to another smartphone. Apple doesn't have that luxury and has to play it on the conservative side with the iPhone. So, almost anything the iPhone comes up with will be something that some Android smartphone will already have and then the Apple product will be considered disappointing to the tech critics and media.
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The new display technology will be a 10" iPad with retina display that expands to an Apple 50" tv when placed in its dock.

Only if you feed it after midnight.
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I think the original iPad was also considered a disappointment (no camera, lack of ports, etc.). I doubt that there is anything Apple can come out with that will exceed expectations or won't be a disappointment. Apple is being set up by the media and Wall Street as a company that underachieves. I'm not saying the company is underachieving, I'm saying that that's how it's being made to look for investors.

Since most Android smartphones have rather limited production runs, vendors can put in all sorts of the latest tech and if it doesn't work, so what. They'll cut that model and add some features to another smartphone. Apple doesn't have that luxury and has to play it on the conservative side with the iPhone. So, almost anything the iPhone comes up with will be something that some Android smartphone will already have and then the Apple product will be considered disappointing to the tech critics and media.

These tech blogs can be annoying as hell though.

While I'll admit I was underwhelmed by the KEYNOTE I don't see how you can be underwhelmed by the device...especially since the only real "complaint" is that it looked the same.
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Well iPad 4 huh. I can't wait for the iPad 5.
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post #38 of 109
My sources also tell me that Apple is working with some other tech company for some new technology in iPad 5. True story.
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AppleTV remote?


Ooohhh, that's good.
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Sure, it's a world where you can't keep changing the display size or resolution at will the way Apple did with the iPod Nano, but after the 3GS gets deprecated so there is only one resolution for the 3.5" display size to develop for, adding a 4" size with or without the same resolution as the current iPhone, would be possible. Devs would need some time to optimize their apps, but I don't think a 4" 960x640 display in the hands of customers for a couple months would deter too many buyers, especially if this was the size they were planning on sticking with for many years. I would end up just being a blip on the radar the way the less-than-ideal 480x320 apps looked on the iPhone 4.

The 3GS is not going to be deprecated.
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