Hitach & Sony working with Apple on 4-inch iOS device, iPad 4 to see new display technology - Page 2

When the iPhone 6 comes out, it will.

Never?

Wrong. Apple IS already exceeding Wall Street's expectations, to wit, they are selling all the iDevices they can make. I doubt that accomplishment is going to change anytime soon.




Patently wrong. The "latest tech" is not what Apple's products have ever been about. Apple builds "insanely great" devices that people want to buy and love to use. Been that way since 1976.

You must be one of those tech critics.

and connct that to land lines...

I'm sure each and ever person on these forums has his own reasons but here are some of mine:

1. Display technology is a very interesting industry! Something's first come to light in these forums. Leaks and all!
2. It allows one to adjust future buying plans.
3. One goal in the industry is a flexible display durable enough to be foldable like a book. Or alternatively rolled up like a sheet of paper. Such displays could make for extremely interesting iOS devices.
4. Improved display technology can lead to longer battery life.

Bringing up new production lines is very interesting in and of itself. However the big benefit to the community here is that such discussions teach people that new stuff doesn't happen over night. One big issue in this forum is the expectation of some that Apple can instantly introduce the newest technologies over night. This is seldom the case, just putting a new chip on a motherboard takes a lot of effort.

One good example here is Thunderbolt/Lightpeak. We heard about this tech years ago and it has yet to achieve widespread adoption. Certainly cost is an issue there but the bigger issue is that you can't deliver a new product over night even if you have the chips in hand. Some are still whining about the lack of available TB technology, the rest of us just see these people as uninformed.

So yeah discussions about future technology is useful. If nothing else it alerts people to the efforts involved in manufacturing stuff. If you only experience manufactured goods from the consumer end you often don't appreciate that people put in a lot of work getting their widgets on the shelf.

If for nothing else it prevents people who buy an iPad 3 from having any basis to say something to the effect that "Apple sucks because they outdated my iPad 3 in one year". I've never understood that mentality anyways, the auto companies come out with new cars and revisions every year and nobody complains that they suck because their car just got radically revised.

In any event having an idea of what to expect in future machines is interesting in and of its self.

OK why are you interested in Intels future offerings and not display technology? On the face of it you seem to have a selective curiosity. That isn't bad mind you but I wonder how you can mentally justify pulling a discussion about future display technology off track by bringing up another totally unrelated to iPad technology that is way out there?

Do you see what I mean here!

I kinda think the writing is on the wall here. At the last iPod event they didn't rev the Touch at all except to lower the price. That leads me with the impression that they intend to introduce a slightly more expensive model in the future. Maybe one with more gaming features embedded in it.

Of course a bigger iPhone is a nice idea for us old farts.

Other possibilities exist including remotes for Apple TVs, in car optimized devices and other goodies.

Except this will never happen.

Apple is far too deliberate in their moves. They don't introduce a new screen size because "the market demands it," they don't actually care what people want in that sense at all.

To put it in an English way ... Apple decides first what is the "proper" size for the screen and then makes it, and sells it irrespective of what people tell them they want.

If they end up moving to a 4" screen size it will be because they decided for very valid, logical reasons that this is the "proper" size now and that 3.5 screens are no longer the proper size for a hand held screen. They will never make some 3.5, and some 4 inch screens on the idea that some people like them smaller or bigger. If they were going to do that, they would make iPads and iPhones in multiple sizes from the start as it's fairly clear that different people have different sized hands. They don't do that, they almost never have with any of their products.

The only product they make where screen size really varies at all is laptops and that might be more out of convention than anything else since *everyone* in the business does that and has since the beginning. Even with desktops which they originally offered in multiple sizes, they now offer in two only. ACD's used to be in three sizes and now they only offer one.

Apple *may* move to a 4" screen size based on whatever unknown calculation they do on what's best, but it's really very very unlikely they will ever offer more than one single screen size for the iPhone and since they've best that one size to be 3.5" for the life of the product so far, odds are it will remain so.

I would switch to a device with a slightly larger screen in a heartbeat.


Non-sense! The device might not end all that mich larger than the current iOS devices

A track pad might be a possibility, but your discounting a larger iOS device is I'll informed and frankly garbage. No one without inside info can say what Apple has planned.

Except the article is almost certainly wrong or exaggerated.

At this point in the product cycle, there is no way in hell that these parts are actually pre-production parts produced in volume. Despite what the sources say, these are almost certainly tests of the kinds of parts Apple *might* want to buy from these folks and produced in very small numbers.

With the next iPad at least 8 months away and the next iPhone 11 months away there is no way in hell these are actually parts that are going to go into an active production line for those products.

To believe this story, you have to believe that there is a new iPad or iPhone in the first quarter or very early second quarter 2012. This isn't likely at all. This is just a couple of companies that *hope* to get business out of Apple, leaking the fact that they have made some pre-production parts for them.

It really doesn't matter what words or phrases they use, the reality is anybody dismissing the iPhone 4S for lack of new technology is just plain ignorant!

No, I recall distinctly that they all called it a failure.

Apple doesn't need such developers!!!!!!

Seriously what sort of developer would get mad about having more devices to put their software on? Besides that many apps would not need much in the way of updating if written properly. If they aren't written in accordance with Apples guidelines then Apple doesn't need those developers either.

I'm not so sure about this. Have you ever used a Nintendo DS?

It's seriously confusing and distracting to have to move your eyes and attention from one screen to the other. With the current trackpad setup, the trackpad moves the cursor but you never have to take your eyes off the screen. This is similar to a mouse or keyboard or any other input device.

The minute you have to look at the trackpad, (or keyboard or mouse), it's a bad experience. Your attention is divided and the extra display of the smaller screen doesn't really help things much.

A change in the production process could mean a lot of things. For example they iChat try printing the displays just like magazines are printed. This could lead to dramatically lower display costs and thus far cheaper iPads.

That is just one possibility among many. It is a jump to conclude that this means 3D displays are coming. It is a bigger jumps to think that such displays will be well accepted buy the general public. Just as 3D movies often lead a lot to be desired in the theater so to will a 3D display frustrate people.

You do realize that every executive on stage realized that it was Steve's last hours on earth? It would not be a misstatement to say that their minds where occupied with other things.

In any event looking close to the same is a big feature for many of us. There is nothing more disgusting than people demanding a format change just for the hell of it.

It is the second hottest selling iPhone out there. Frankly I think the iPhones 4s are still to expensive to fill its shoes.

You are right, it is a jump, totally, but a logical one.

Those who don't like the 3D will be able to switch it off. But Pixar and others who are pushing the art form will need a portable platform. It's not going to be best realized on a laptop. Theoretically, a tablet would be ideal for individual 3D viewing.

Scorcese's new movie shows that we're just beginning to see 3D taken seriously as an art form.

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Your logic doesn't parse

The 3GS was the second-best selling phone. The iPhone 4 was the best-selling phone.

Now the 4S is in the 4's place and the 4 is in the 3GS' place. The iPhone 4S isn't on track to be the second-best, supplanting the 3GS, it's on track to be the best-selling, supplanting the iPhone 4.

The dynamic does change given that the 3GS remains for free, but I would think it's obvious that the 4S will become the best-selling phone, the 4 the second-best, and the 3GS the third.

Not really. They can scale up iPhone apps just they do to the apps when it's on the ipad

That's not a valid solution. That's a cop-out.

You lost me on the iPad bit. The iPad was refreshed last March with the iPad 2 which was ahead of when it was expected to be refreshed. The iPad 3 can realistically be refreshed in the 1st calendar quarter of 2012. Although a 4" screen version is not likely gonna happen and neither will a iPod Touch with those dimensions.

The iPhone would be a stretch to refresh so soon so I'm with you on that. Unless Apple is deciding to get more aggressive since they are behind on screen size and 4G technology. It would not be unpresedented for Apple to release a phone out of the normal cycle (Verizon phone) by intro'ing one with a 4G antenna. It would set a presedence if they into'd a whole new form factor with the 4" screen and extremely unlikely due to their success with the iPhone 4S.

Honestly, I agree with you too on this being the parts manufacturers releasing news to bring attention to themselves.

Ah, but your limited imagination failed to realize that it is the screen itself that expands to from 10" to 50".... none of that weak Atrix shit.

... and it's real. You'll see...

That just doesn't make any sense. The iPhone and iPod Touch are 3.5%. It would be possible to increase those to 4" with only a tiny increase in the size of the device. Why is that so impossible?


Why would the keynote have been underwhelming - other than your blatant anti-Apple bias? It was clear that the phone was improved in nearly every way. It just doesn't make sense to say that the keynote was disappointing but the phone was not.

You just proved yourself wrong with your point on laptops. Apple isn't stupid. they don't want to lose the smartphone battle like they lost the desktop battle years back. The screen on the iPhone is now the smallest out there, excluding feature phones and super low end Android stuff. The market has moved on, and Apple will move with it.

Not only for the Apple TV, but for the household. Steve Wozniak had a venture for a multi-purpose remote after he left Apple as a full time worker, and Steve Jobs talked about a single remote for many devices. Download the apps for our devices and away you go! It's big 'n four inches so that it's easy to find. If you still can't find it, you log in to your iCloud account and go to Find My Remote. Apple's answer to Google maps will be so good that you can pinpoint rooms in your house... unless you live in North Korea.

The new iPocketTV!

I find it increasingly hard to tolerate lcd screens, I wish e-ink technlogy matures at some point cause it ll save my eyesight, of course if some dual type lcd/eink (or similar no or low light emmision tech) hybrid is possible it will be ideal.

4'' screen would lower PPI to 280... AKA not retina display

would you double screen rez again?!?!? That is the only sane way i see it happening, unless they double the screen rez again, which would require stronger CPU, GPU.. larger battery...

If apple is not at 28nm (i BELIEVE A5=40nm) than they might be able to do it without losing battery life with move to 28nm + larger battery. But it just is not worth it.

NOTE: biggest screen with PPI greater or equal to 300= 3.7357 inches or 9.49cm

check the DPI/PPI here

Or perhaps hibachi, as they are cooking up something.

To me personally, a 4" screen would be too small for an iPhone. I say go to 4.3" & double the resolution again to 1920 x 1280. Right now the GPU capability in the A5 is at least 5 to 7 times more powerful than the A4 so it isn't like it can't push the pixels efficiently if the resolution is doubled once again.

1) Using a big font just makes you more obnoxious, not more correct.

2) 960x640 3:2 4" display would be 288ppi, not 280. The minimum requirement for 20/20 vision at 12" distance is 286ppi. That puts a 4" display just above, not far below what is required for technically staying within the Retina Display definition of not being able to discern pixels.

3) You're referencing 300ppi because Apple had a slide statin the limit of the human retina. That was a slide making a general point, not an exact measurement as you should be able to infer by the lack of any qualifiers to the 300ppi statement.

4) The iPad doubling its resolution (yes, doubling resolution, but quadrupling number of pixels) would bring it to 264ppi. That would be considered Retina Display because you hold the iPad farther from your face than you would a small display.

Here's a simple formula you can apply. For 20/20 vision (1 arcmin) use the value 3438 and divide that by number of inches you would keep a device from your eye. Then divide that result by 1 to get minimum number of pixels needed for a Retina Display.

Examples:

18" ÷ 3438 = 0.0052" » 1" ÷ 0.0052" = 193ppi
13" ÷ 3438 = 0.0038" » 1" ÷ 0.0038" = 264ppi

I don't know about you but I read my iPad like a book which is probably a solid 18" away from eyes, if not more. Certainly farther than 13" which is the bare minimum for a 264ppi display.

1) There is no 1:1 ratio on the GPU performance and display pixels. As we've seen in previous iPhone and iPad models the more pixels to push the worse the game graphics. There simply is no reasonable argument to make for a 660ppi display in the 2010s.

2) You are aware the iPhone is a 3:2 ratio but you didn't into account what that means for a 4.3" display. That would give it ridiculous dimensions of 2.39" wide. Even the uncomfortably massive 4.65" display of the Galaxy Nexus is only 2.28" wide. Even completely removing the bezel still doesn't correct this. 4" is really the only option on all levels, and that's if they can reduce the bezel and/or case thickness somewhat.

I said the keynote was underwhelming, not disappointing...I said the blogs said they were disappointed (most likely due to the ridiculous rumor mill) by the 4S (which was only because it looked the same)

What in all my postings has been anti-Apple? I have nearly a thousand at this point...surely you can point me to my anti-Appleness...

Why don't you realize that because I'm not fellating everything Apple doesn't mean I'm anti-Apple

The keynote was boring...it didn't have the awe factor of others which I have watched every single year and have enjoyed every single year.

There are many factors to this which are understandable.

1) Jobs was real sick and the people there most likely knew he'd be dead soon
2) Cook is not Jobs.
3) Cook was both nervous and saddened.

The fact that all of that is a viable and rational reason doesn't stop the fact that the keynote was lackluster...in MY opinion.

If you guys are going to continuously censor me extend that courtesy to others as well.

Be fair.

Noted.

lol..

ipad4 = curved glass??

The High Road is closed. Detour ahead. Drive safely.

Why go "almost OLED" when you can go OLED?

Stupid.