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post #41 of 68
11/29/11 at 12:20pm
the department of product prediction/speculation for an analyst at this level needs to be axed. I am so tired of reading them, but they always seem to surface in the main headlines of AI/Gizmodo/etc. If their primary focus was to just predict bogus products, they need to go find a REAL analyst job.

We had (yes 'had') an employee at our company that wouldn't do his primary roles, instead he had masked his roles with "What ifs" and "scenario revisiting" .. like a brainstorming meeting that never ends, and picks up spontaneously.. when that died off, he was terminated and realized a lot of time has been wasted.

I've got a lot of my own predictions, but I keep them in the venue of a forum.. not on a PR wire
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post #42 of 68
11/29/11 at 12:24pm
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Oh man! Indium, gallium and zinc? Those are pretty rare materials that China is stock piling and controlling their exports and imports. Hope no one wants to make iPads in Brazil because China will charge crazy tax on those.

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No. These 3 elements aren't rare earth elements. See this page for rare earth elements --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element

He was talking about rare materials, not rare earth elements.

I'm sure he, like most people, realizes most rare earth metals are in fact not that rare.
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post #43 of 68
11/29/11 at 12:30pm
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I can see an iPad 3 and iPad 2S being released at the same time since there are still plenty of unanswered questions about the 264ppi Retina Display for the iPad regarding production rate, component cost, GPU performance and battery usage that are still unanswered.

Just hold on a minute!

If there is an iPad 2S then there won't be an iPad 3... it'll be an iPad 4.
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post #44 of 68
11/29/11 at 12:39pm
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He was talking about rare materials, not rare earth elements.

I'm sure he, like most people, realizes most rare earth metals are in fact not that rare.


I think they are just as rare as they always were in that ppm is still very small even in regions where they occur. China is just bulldozing greater and greater areas of land to acquire them so even though they are still rare they are not as scarce, if that makes any sense. The ecological damage resulting from the mining of those materials is huge which is the main reason the US no longer mines them. The original poster is correct that there are some concerns about China being unwilling to sell them to competing countries such as Japan.

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post #45 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:07pm
Yup, its all guess work. But this is Apple and its interesting and what other company out there is interesting enough to bother spending time guessing about. Unless its the decay and death of a certain unSung brat.
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post #46 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:11pm
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Just hold on a minute!

If there is an iPad 2S then there won't be an iPad 3... it'll be an iPad 4.

they did it with the iPhone. iPhone 3G should have been iPhone 2, but I see your logic. The next iPhone should be iPhone 6, but Apple will probably just drop the suffix altogether at that point.
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post #47 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Oh, I have it!

The "faster iPad 2S" is really the 7" iPad and the "even faster than the faster iPad 2S iPad 3" is the new 10" model!



Oh, dear. That's bigger than I thought it would be. But it fits the bill, I guess.

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post #48 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

they did it with the iPhone. iPhone 3G should have been iPhone 2, but I see your logic. The next iPhone should be iPhone 6, but Apple will probably just drop the suffix altogether at that point.

My comment was said jestingly to Solipsism, one of our resident champions of naming the next phone the iPhone 6.
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post #49 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by thx607 View Post

I hate these reports, they never pan out and half of the time are truly asinine. iPad 3 will be out in March and the iPad 2 will move to clearance.

IOS and by extension iPad has been a huge success for Apple. They will want to keep that gravy train running. They will do that by attracting a wider array of users, users with different needs and economic interests. Having an iPad2S or similar along with an iPad 3 on offer gives consumers choice and frankly that means more customers.

The other thing I expect is that because of IOS success we will see more devices using it. What exactly these devices are is an open question but there can be little doubt that IOS is a cash cow for Apple. To keep that cow healthy they will need to feed the pipe with new products on a regular schedule.
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post #50 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:41pm
Leaks from IOS 5.1 that is.
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post #51 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:41pm
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[...] He sees Apple continuing to sell the current 16GB version of the iPad 2 at a lower price [...]

10 senior Samsung executives soiled their trousers and ran off screaming when they read that...

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post #52 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:42pm
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SJ had said on many occasions that a 4"-7" iDevice was pointles

I think it was once.

I think he mentioned 7 inch devices.

He said that they would all be DOA.

Like the Kindle Fire. DOA.
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post #53 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:53pm
Yeah, how did that whole thing about Apple selling the iPhone 5, 4S, and 4 all at once go? Right.

Apple will do what they always do, focus on one product. Really, we shouldn't reward this click-fodder.
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post #54 of 68
11/29/11 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

My comment was said jestingly to Solipsism, one of our resident champions of naming the next phone the iPhone 6.

I don't necessarily think it will be called iPhone 6, just using the cardinal number to represent the generation the iPhone will be in as we've done for the iPhone and iPad for years. I actually think if it has LTE it is more likely to be called the iPhone 4G, even if it changes the case design, the same way the iPhone went to iPhone 3G in it's 2nd generation.

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post #55 of 68
11/29/11 at 2:32pm
I could see them selling a new iPad 3 (Retina Display, A6 processor, something else?) at the current price points (starting at $499). This would push the envelope on tech and allow them to leave competitors a year or two behind.

Simultaneously, they could keep selling the iPad 2 (1024x768, A5) with say, $100 knocked off to $399. This would help stave off some of the pressure created by low-end tablets (e.g. Kindle Fire). Surely the manufacturing costs of the iPad 2 are coming down by now.
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post #56 of 68
11/29/11 at 2:37pm
QUOTE=nht;1997399]I could see a very high end price for the ipad 3 to make sure quantities were reasonable.

I dunno how I feel about that. Probably jealousy as I'd have to go for the 2S.

What I really want is a 4-5" iPod Touch for the kids that cost $200.[/QUOTE]


Ditto
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post #57 of 68
11/29/11 at 2:37pm
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I don't necessarily think it will be called iPhone 6, just using the cardinal number to represent the generation the iPhone will be in as we've done for the iPhone and iPad for years. I actually think if it has LTE it is more likely to be called the iPhone 4G, even if it changes the case design, the same way the iPhone went to iPhone 3G in it's 2nd generation.

"iPhone 4G" makes technical sense and would be in line with the iPhone 3G's naming. But I think it's a bit too much alphabet soup to explain to a customer the difference between an iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and iPhone 4G.

As arbitrary as "iPhone 5" may be - it's not the fifth-generation, nor does it have "5G" radio - it's crystal clear to consumers that it's the next-generation up from the "4" family. Though, I imagine by the time it gets to "6", they may drop the number convention entirely.
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post #58 of 68
11/29/11 at 2:44pm
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I actually think if it has LTE it is more likely to be called the iPhone 4G, even if it changes the case design, the same way the iPhone went to iPhone 3G in it's 2nd generation.

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"iPhone 4G" makes technical sense and would be in line with the iPhone 3G's naming.

While I disagree with the name, it would be just like Apple to tell Sprint to sit and spin on it by naming a device after something they don't offer.

Customer: Oh, you have the new iPhone 4G!
Sprint guy: That's right.
Customer: So I can get 4G speeds with it! This is great!
Sprint guy: Uh, no.
Customer: What?
Sprint guy: No, we don't offer 4G speeds on the iPhone 4G.
Customer:
Sprint guy: ?
Customer: Enjoy your class-action lawsuit.
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post #59 of 68
11/29/11 at 2:58pm
With everything now in the cloud (iCloud), there's less necessity for GB of storage. So trying to upsell to 32GB or 128 GB becomes a harder sell.

So how does Apple upsell? And at the same time cover the cheap competitors?

Do the same thing with the iPad as the iPhone: offer several generations of models at different prices. Like the article says.

Maybe it won't be 3 lines (and 2 new products: the 2S and the 3), but rather the existing line and one new line (3 or 2S).

iPad 2, 8 GB: $299
iPad 2, 32 GB: $499
iPad 3, 32 GB: $599
iPad 3, 64 GB: $699 (or maybe with 3G or 4G?)

The exact numbers aren't what I'm trying to predict. Rather, like the iPhones, Apple might sell several generations of iPads.

C'mon, people, it's not that big of a stretch, even if you don't agree with the article's exact details.
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post #60 of 68
11/29/11 at 3:36pm
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I hate these reports, they never pan out and half of the time are truly asinine. iPad 3 will be out in March and the iPad 2 will move to clearance.

These rumors ruin this site. They stir up confusion over time. Repeated, they foster expectations that apple rarely fulfills. And why should apple?
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post #61 of 68
11/29/11 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by bikertwin View Post

With everything now in the cloud (iCloud), there's less necessity for GB of storage. So trying to upsell to 32GB or 128 GB becomes a harder sell.

Yeah, because 16+5 GB that you can't download because you have a 2GB cap is better than 64GB that you always have with you.

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iPad 2, 8 GB: $299

Insanity. Eight gigabytes on an iPad? Try

iPad 2, 16GB: $399.
iPad 3, 16GB: $499.
iPad 3, 32GB: $599.
iPad 3, 64GB: $699.

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Rather, like the iPhones, Apple might sell several generations of iPads.

Absolutely. I'm in complete agreement.

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even if you don't agree with the article's exact details.

The difference being that the article's details are complete hooey.
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post #62 of 68
11/29/11 at 3:51pm
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These rumors ruin this site. They stir up confusion over time. Repeated, they foster expectations that apple rarely fulfills. And why should apple?

heh. All about Shareholder (or prospective shareholder) expectations and value.
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post #63 of 68
11/29/11 at 4:02pm
That Apple might offer some configuration of the current iPad at a reduced price is not only possible but consistent with what Apple has done in the past with other product lines.

On the other hand, a so-called iPad 2S makes no sense. I can't imagine that Apple would have figured out so precisely the sweet spot for pricing on a tablet device and then abandoned that model, in a sense, by trying to market a more expensive product.

What I see is the current pricing applied to the new model and a cheaper iPad based on the current model offered to combat lower-priced competition. Then increase the size somewhat of the Touch model's screen and all your bases are covered. The low-cost iPad could fit in nicely between the larger Touch and the new iPad.

Makes sense.

Having an iPad 2S at current pricing and trying to sell a higher-specced model for more money, not so much. Way too fragmenting and risky which Apple doesn't need. Why take a chance of failing when success is all but guaranteed. By forcing customers to pay more for the latest and greatest, that opens the door to competition. Bad idea.
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post #64 of 68
11/29/11 at 4:18pm
Maybe I'm new at this, but I really don't see Apple keeping the iPad 2 in the marketplace once the iPad 3 hits the stores. With iMacs, iPods, MacBooks, MBP, and AppleTVs, once the new model is available, the older model is sold off and discontinued.

AFAIK, the iPhone is the only product in their lineup where the older model is kept available (albeit a cheapened version), and that's a market where the older models are regularly discounted. Why should they start this practice with the 3rd generation of the iPad, when they could just move everything to producing the newest and best iPad, keep the margins high, and still control 75% (or more) of the tablet market?
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post #65 of 68
11/29/11 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by F1Ferrari View Post

Maybe I'm new at this, but I really don't see Apple keeping the iPad 2 in the marketplace once the iPad 3 hits the stores. With iMacs, iPods, MacBooks, MBP, and AppleTVs, once the new model is available, the older model is sold off and discontinued.

AFAIK, the iPhone is the only product in their lineup where the older model is kept available (albeit a cheapened version), and that's a market where the older models are regularly discounted. Why should they start this practice with the 3rd generation of the iPad, when they could just move everything to producing the newest and best iPad, keep the margins high, and still control 75% (or more) of the tablet market?

Apple has also done this sort of thing with the Touch which is similar to the iPad and even with the iPad, the iPad 1 was available for a while after the iPad 2 was introduced. I think that it's not a matter of if the iPad 2 will be available at a reduced price when the 3 comes out but rather for how long.

What might work is something like the following: The Touch (US pricing) for $199, $299, and $399 for a new version with a 4" screen. The old iPad 2 in non-3G form at 16GB and 32GB only offered for $425 and $525. The new iPad 3 offered in 3G form only and coming in at $649, $749 and $849.

Price points covered ranging from $199 up to $849. 9.7" tablets covering $425 to $849. Lots of bases covered and assorted budgets accommodated. No pricing overlap. If this is how Apple does this, typical of how they do things.
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post #66 of 68
11/29/11 at 7:06pm
I call BS!

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Yeah, because 16+5 GB… that you can't download because you have a 2GB cap… is better than 64GB that you always have with you.

I got 25GB iCloud storage and no data caps here in Japan. I get unlimited data for about $50 a month. Shame we don't get iTunes Match.

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post #67 of 68
11/30/11 at 10:13am
There will not be two iPads released in the same year, period.

If they release an iPad 3 in 2012, Apple might keep the 16GB Wi-Fi-only iPad 2 available as an lower-priced sub-$499 model to kill off the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet.
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post #68 of 68
11/30/11 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by tomlawler View Post

These rumors ruin this site. They stir up confusion over time. Repeated, they foster expectations that apple rarely fulfills. And why should apple?

Uhhh.... Hmmmm.... I dunno how to break this to you, guy, but this IS (and always has been) an Apple rumors site...

(...even if it now aspires to news and reviews as well - and tho' much of the "news" consists of barely reworded company press releases.)

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