Siri clones demonstrate vast technical lead Apple enjoys with iPhone 4S software - Page 2

You're right. You obviously work for Apple. We should just believe you instead.

Microsoft and abortion same terrible results.

... right back at ya'!

Right. We believe you over Steve since you're more inclined to know... \

Those comparison video say it all. Microsoft will never (yes I said never) catch up to Apple's technology. Hell they can't even copy it. I hope these videos go on youtube because they will go cosmic and everyone will know the difference. There is no comparison.

Typical, ill-founded criticism of Daniel's take. \

Consider how quickly ios was adapted to the iPad - while android still sucks on a tablet and windows 8 isn't out yet - it certainly lends credence to the fact that apple had done substantial work on making an iOS tablet earlier than the iPhone.

I believe the original intent for the iPad was the safari pad - but the technology at the time - 2004/5 wasn't ready - so they went with the iPhone first.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=447176

It's a conspirazy

I can understand your disappointment. However, correct me if I am wrong, I believe that this actual implementation is the result of a great deal of further development, including obviously, integration into iOS.

All the best.

Certainly seems that the answer is yes, he's calling Steve a liar. \

"Siri, how many non-iPad tablets has DaHarder purchased for each of his relatives?"

Siri: "Sorry, no realistic answer -- some things are just beyond belief!"

Siri: "Now, if we had some pictures..."

I see that you're still wearing 'green' there Dick.

That means nothing. The iPod touch OS was not called iPod touch OS. It was obvious that Apple was expanding the iPhone OS at the time. I was convinced back then that Apple will eventually rename it iOS when they are ready. Did you expect Apple to come out on the original iPhone release and say "hey, we have this OS and we will call it iOS because in three years we will release the iPad with this OS on it.".

Three each X the number of non-iPad tablets

Of course. That is common knowledge at AppleInsider.

SIRI is a nice tool on the phone, but I personally dont find much use of it, I played around with it the first day like setting the alarm and tried out some of the dumb questions that has been doing the rounds on the net. I kinda agree with some statements on the post and that it might not be super useful for everyone, but I think technologically it is one of the most advanced AI in a mobile device, That I am sure off. Maybe over time usefulness of SIRI might grow and be a real bench mark with lots of improvements, right now it is just a cool feature without any significant use.
SIRI is also a beta version, apple might be testing the users reactions, They will be happy even if people just play around with it, SIRI calls homes for a response which can mean that apple will get free voice samples of varied accents free of cost which will hopefully help them make it work with the voices of people with varied accents.

The iPhone OS wasn't even called "iPhone OS" when the iPhone launched in 2007. It didn't have an official name, by the way (The closest you get is Steve saying "The iPhone runs Mac OS X" in the keynote).

In any case, it makes sense that they wouldn't give away any unannounced products (i.e. iPad in-the-works) by calling the OS anything other than "iPhone OS".

Just wait... Soon Siri will be able to buy things at your direction!

It's called "no-click shopping"

I found it very useful for time- and location-based reminders. I used Notes often but never used the Reminders much until the 4S, then I found myself frequently setting up reminders even for just a few minutes later or for minor reasons because a quick Siri entry saved so much time and effort over accessing the Reminders app and inputing the data directly.

I thought they did call it iPhone OS, but I guess it doesn't make much sense at that point since there was no SDK so the name was somewhat pointless. At the 2008 it was referred to as OS X iPhone.

edit: They'd need a name for updates, especially after the iPod Touch arrived. So what did they call it on their developer site?

Daharder he tries, daharder he fails.

I must admit I am lost here. What does any of this have to do with Siri? Did Apple/ Jobs also say "Apple will not add voice support. Apple will not call anything Siri"?

What am I missing here? As far as I can see, what you wrote has nothing to do with the current discussion. In other words Hagger, that is horrible.

Hey DaHarder,

We've heard Steve say that Apple was working on a tablet first.

And then we've got you saying they didn't.

Why do you think he would just make up that story? Don't you think there are hundreds of people who worked on those projects who would spill the beans if he was lying?

And what possible gain would there be to lie about the origins of the iPad and iPhone anyway? Is this some Da Vinci Code mystery?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6--_Z4unLQ0#t=22s

Google's voice recognition developments on their mobile platform which they..... bought. Did you have a point?

DaHarder sure is interested in changing the subject of this thread away from Siri and its clear lead in natural language parsing. Wonder why?

Ya' know...

We need a special AI thread category... Something like "Troll Of The Day"...

This has been one of them!

Is there a trophy and an award ceremony?

How about a DHrdr day where we all center our posts.

According to Wikipedia, Siri came out of CALO, a DARPA project to create a personal assistant for a solider.

"Its five-year contract brought together 300+ researchers from 25 of the top university and commercial research institutions, with the goal of building a new generation of cognitive assistants that can reason, learn from experience, be told what to do, explain what they are doing, reflect on their experience, and respond robustly to surprise."

So it's no surprise that Siri is the best out there, it has the best pedigree. Just like iOS and it's BSD Unix base, when Apple make a consumer product, there's often "industrial strength" underneath.

And I don't think Siri is useless or a gimmick. Think of the things it is good at: appointments, contacts, weather: all things that live on your phone, and the phone is the only device Apple have put it on. If it had been released on the iPad with it's current abilities it would be a gimmick, but Apple didnt do that. It will only migrate to new devices when it's abilities increase, making it a non-gimmick on them too.

So basically, Apple decides to mess with the minds of young women and rob them of their freedom.
If I was a woman, I'd go to court on that. I would not ask for damages, I'd ask for an official, multiple-newspaper apology. But maybe next Apple idea is "if you ask for the closest islamic, judaic or buddhist cult place, Apple suggest several Protestant cult places to help you to the _right faith_"?
Or maybe, if you ask for a Democrat representative's permanency, you get referred to the Republican equivalent?

I have difficulty believing that (self styled) fans of the "Think Different" company would openly advocate _companies_ deciding what's morally acceptable for their customers.

If women need/want to abort, it is their choice. That's law, that's moral. Whether or not you, SJ or anyone else dislikes it should not impact Siri's results. Of course, I expect you to tell me next that anyway, Siri should not demean itself to answer if you are a black person, or similar bullshit. But maybe you just did not realize the consequences of meddling with search results based on "moral" positions?

I'm theorically pro abortion. I think abortion is bad and should be avoided, but still should be legal. I also think most prolifers (based on the ones I've seen and heard, or read) base their belief on religious (highly debatable, hence) or male-power beliefs. I demand that companies do not force such ideas on me. I want freedom of thought, religion and race equality. I don't want some company to tell me that black people are inferior to white ones, or that women should not be allowed to abort, or that Socialism is a worse system than Liberalism. More importantly, I don't want this company to ACT accordingly by filtering-out the information I asked on islam, abortion, socialism or race-equality.

I hope I made my point clear. It's the same as Majjo's, basically: a machine/company with a political agenda is out-of-bounds in a democracy.

<irony>
What I love with the US is its socialist economy. State-funded research then used for the masses
</irony>

It was first called OS X and then rebadged to iPhone OS and then to iOS.

It's not socialism if it's military research. Military is the job of the government even under capitalism.

If Siri had an option to use Majel Barret's voice, I would buy the iPhone 4S in an instant! UNtil then, I can wait to see what happens with the next iPhone and iPad...
I really do hope that they made enough recordings of her voice before she passed away to use as the voice of a computer/iPhone/iPad at some point. I bet there are plenty of Trekkers who would pay big $$ for that.

But according to the Right, the government can't do anything right. Why are we trusting them to defend the country?

The problem with Google's Voice or Microsoft's TellMe, I venture, is that both companies will never take the effort to make their counterpart to Siri to be as capable and versatile in functionality because it will only kill the geese that lay their ads' golden eggs. Google's only game in town is its one-trick pony ads business, and Microsoft has lost billions in its attempts to upset Google's applecart. You will notice in the demonstration that TellMe always bring you to the Bing search interface.

Here Apple has a huge advantage over Google or Microsoft: It has no huge investment in a soon-to-be-outdated search interface.

I guess the key question then is why respond to "fanboys'" irrational response? Why trouble yourself with a response when it is obvious they have "drunk the koolaid"? Why continue to feed into the diatribe cycle when you apparently know better?

OTOH, <you> in fact don't know what Apple has on the bench, what is in development and being refined, now do you? <You> don't know at what point Apple started working on a particular device or feature - you only know when they announce it to the public. Having worked for a company driving a wide swath of innovative products at one time (3M), we had at least three year's worth of product ahead of public release. So driving your argument based on public release is simply inaccurate.

And to be clear, Jobs was being completely honest in those statements - according to the bio and other sources, he had to be convinced to open up to 3rd party apps, he stated they weren't going to do cut/copy/paste until they were able to get the interface right,
that multitasking wouldn't be activated until they were sure it wouldn't be a battery drainer (unlike the Android version), and that they wouldn't make a tablet PC - which of course the iPad most definitely is not. Context is important and using what was actually said, instead of setting up "strawman" statements to knock down.

And everyone else, the DED articles always draw out folks like DaHarder and BettieBlue to sputter irrationally and nonsensically. I too have been guilty of feeding trolls in here, but try to minimize the derailing of the actual content of the article for the thread.

I thank'ee!

The only people who want the government to do nothing, i.e. to not exist, are anarchists, and they are usually considered leftist.

The smallest allowable government on the right still runs the military, courts and police, because the free market requires law and order. People won't trade goods if they can just steal them. People won't make long term business deals if contracts are not enforced, and fraud is not a crime.

I don't know how much of Siri was Steve. In the biog, it's implied that he was given a demo of Siri for the first time at a Board meeting just before he resigned and was at first pessimistic that it could do as claimed. He asked it several questions and was apparently impressed.

If Steve was not heavily involved with Siri, that actually is a positive for Apple. There's an impression that Jobs was a micro-manager who was involved in every design decision and there's a more positive outlook for Apple's future if a wider variety of executives and managers were directly involved in everything we love about Apple's products that frequently gets credited to Jobs.

There is one thing about Siri that bothers me. If it's really only a Beta, then IMO it shouldn't be the focus of Apple's advertising for the phone. Apple wants to have it both ways: if it works, it's a reason to buy the phone and if it doesn't, "well sorry, it's only a Beta."