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post #81 of 106
11/30/11 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by Psych_guy View Post

Obviously Steve was using Muhammad Ali's technique of "Rope-A-Dope", and it apparently worked as Apple caught the market flat footed and he delivered a one-two punch delivery of both video on iPods and iPhones and also hammered the market with the iPad.

I don't know how much of Siri was Steve. In the biog, it's implied that he was given a demo of Siri for the first time at a Board meeting just before he resigned and was at first pessimistic that it could do as claimed. He asked it several questions and was apparently impressed.

If Steve was not heavily involved with Siri, that actually is a positive for Apple. There's an impression that Jobs was a micro-manager who was involved in every design decision and there's a more positive outlook for Apple's future if a wider variety of executives and managers were directly involved in everything we love about Apple's products that frequently gets credited to Jobs.

There is one thing about Siri that bothers me. If it's really only a Beta, then IMO it shouldn't be the focus of Apple's advertising for the phone. Apple wants to have it both ways: if it works, it's a reason to buy the phone and if it doesn't, "well sorry, it's only a Beta."
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post #82 of 106
11/30/11 at 6:53am
The TellMe/Siri comparison is a good one - side-by-side testing of the same voice commands. The Cluzee/Siri comparison is crap though; the reviewer says he's testing it with "the most popular Siri commands". I'm an iPhone user and I do use Siri, but it can't invoke Facebook (one of the examples on the video). A side-by-side comparison of the built-in Android Voice Actions feature would be better. Unfortunately I don't have an Android device in order to run a comparison, but I bet someone out there does.
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post #83 of 106
11/30/11 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Sector7G View Post

You have made you're self look a complete tit here. Steve himself on video said they were working on the iPad first. You really need to know what you're talking about. Other than just trolling every post

Hopefully he is not suffering from harmone imbalance.
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post #84 of 106
11/30/11 at 7:21am
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There is one thing about Siri that bothers me. If it's really only a Beta, then IMO it shouldn't be the focus of Apple's advertising for the phone. Apple wants to have it both ways: if it works, it's a reason to buy the phone and if it doesn't, "well sorry, it's only a Beta."

Why? Even as a beta, it's far better than anything else out there. Even if it doesn't improve at all, it's still the best voice recognition available on a cell phone. So why not advertise it?
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post #85 of 106
11/30/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Siri's importance will be dismissed until the competition can figure out how to copy and implement something similar. The strategy thus far has been to wait until Apple creates something, then copy it and add features Apple previously left out and then market their product as better.

Give them time.


In this case however, given the huge cap in infrastructure, technology and patents -- it is more like Google and Microsoft will be complaining to the government and asking for them to "give them relief from Monopoly."

The biggest emerging platform right now is Smart Phones -- and Apple is king. The NEXT platform will be "automated TV, personal assistants, and AI Services" -- and in about a year or two, Apple will OWN that platform like they do the Tablet computer.


If I had the money, I'd be buying Apple stock, as it's the one guarantee I could give you for investments.
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post #86 of 106
11/30/11 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner View Post

The NEXT platform will be "automated TV, personal assistants, and AI Services" -- and in about a year or two, Apple will OWN that platform like they do the Tablet computer.

Like Steve, I think you've cracked the code!
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post #87 of 106
11/30/11 at 9:31am
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The only people who want the government to do nothing, i.e. to not exist, are anarchists, and they are usually considered leftist.

What nonsense. Watch out for the passive tense, kids: it's usually a good BS indicator. "considered leftist" by whom?

Anarchy means the absence of government. It is, by definition, neither left nor right, as the left-right spectrum is a range of opinion regarding the appropriate role of government in civic life. If you're against all government, you're off that spectrum.

Libertarianism is about as close to that as you'll find in the US, and even libertarians don't generally want the complete absence of government, they just want it as small as possible. That puts it way over on the right, by conventional definitions.
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post #88 of 106
11/30/11 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by enzos View Post

Strewth! and Aussie women do too.

You can change the Siri voice to UK or Oz in General Settings.

hahaha.. just took a look at TellMe responses..

meeting at teen anal [sic!]

swingers swap partners in prudish Singapore

and "send a text to Simone" becomes

stain detector simo

Typical MS, good at kinky porn and nonsense

Just look at what Sync does with the word Funk.
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post #89 of 106
11/30/11 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Not much of which was done buy Apple researchers given that Apple only bought Siri in April 2010 as a means of competing with Google's voice recognition developments.

Google translate is the only voice product I use from them but I find it very accurate. The crashes with the Android example in the video were most likely the back end implementation of the command and not the inability to understand the words spoken. That is what Siri does better. Not only does it recognize the words spoken, but it also knows what they mean and has the ability to take a specified action as a result. That will be the hard part for others to replicate.

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post #90 of 106
11/30/11 at 11:03am
Makes perfect sense. As long as you don't address your phone, computer or whatever with 'Computer' to start voice recognition, it doesn't deserve the designation voice recognition.

On another note - I always thought Apple is on the perfect track to what we see in Star Trek.
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post #91 of 106
11/30/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by slinberg View Post

What nonsense. Watch out for the passive tense, kids: it's usually a good BS indicator. "considered leftist" by whom?

Anarchy means the absence of government. It is, by definition, neither left nor right, as the left-right spectrum is a range of opinion regarding the appropriate role of government in civic life. If you're against all government, you're off that spectrum.

Libertarianism is about as close to that as you'll find in the US, and even libertarians don't generally want the complete absence of government, they just want it as small as possible. That puts it way over on the right, by conventional definitions.

Nicely summarized.
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post #92 of 106
11/30/11 at 11:23am
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Makes perfect sense. As long as you don't address your phone, computer or whatever with 'Computer' to start voice recognition, it doesn't deserve the designation voice recognition.

On another note - I always thought Apple is on the perfect track to what we see in Star Trek.

I'm currently wading my way through Star Trek Enterprise on NetFlix nightly. I cannot get over how iPad like the tablets they use are.

Hopefully Apple will soon add Siri to all capable iOS devices. I'd love it on my iPad2 even if it were limited to WiFi in my case. At some point the expansion of third party apps into use of Siri (obviously heavily vetted by Apple) would be very useful. I'd like like for the Shopping system we use for groceries to be able to take my list verbally for example.
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post #93 of 106
11/30/11 at 2:24pm
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I was reading today that SIRI seems to be pro-life. Meanwhile, Google is more than happy to help people with murdering their fetuses.

Ask the Siri, the new iPhone 4 assistant, where to get an abortion, and, if you happen to be in Washington, D.C., she won’t direct you to the Planned Parenthood on 16th St, NW. Instead, she’ll suggest you pay a visit to the 1st Choice Women’s Health Center, an anti-abortion Crisis Pregnancy Center (CPC) in Landsdowne, Virginia, or Human Life Services, a CPC in York, Pennsylvania. Ask Google the same question, and you’ll get ads for no less than 7 metro-area abortion clinics, 2 CPCs and a nationwide abortion referral service.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/2...f-an-abortion/

Steve Jobs was glad that he didn't end up as a victim of abortion. Did Steve Jobs influence SIRI?

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/11/25/s...m-of-abortion/


what's wrong with the facts? if you want judgmental moronic results use siri?
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post #94 of 106
11/30/11 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret View Post

Daharder he tries, daharder he fails.

Has he failed? He, yet again, gets the clueless to quote him, thus defeating the ignore function
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post #95 of 106
11/30/11 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret View Post

I must admit I am lost here. What does any of this have to do with Siri?

What does any of his non-sensical ranting have to do with anything? Nothing he cites was actually said or even implied by Apple, so I'm not sure what the heck his point is other than either "I suck at reading comprehension" or "I deliberately twist the meaning of things to try to make my points"
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post #96 of 106
11/30/11 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by MarCow View Post

"the most popular Siri commands".

I was quite amused by the use of that phrase in the YouTube comments on that video. I wasn't aware that conversational English is "Siri commands"

I guess not having to speak in staccato computerese would be confusing to those used to being expected to modify themselves to their device instead of the other way around...
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post #97 of 106
11/30/11 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

...and because Steve said it, on video no less, it surely must be the absolute truth.

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You're right. You obviously work for Apple. We should just believe you instead.

A helicopter was flying around above Seattle yesterday when an
electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic
navigation and communication equipment. Due to the clouds and haze
the pilot could not determine his position or course to steer to the
airport. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew
a handwritten sign and held it in the helicopter's window. The sign
said "WHERE AM I ?" in large letters.

People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a
large sign and held it in a building window. Their sign said, "YOU
ARE IN A HELICOPTER." The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and
determine the course to steer to SEATAC (Seattle/Tacoma) airport and
landed safely.

After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the
"YOU ARE IN A HELICOPTER" sign helped determine their position. The
pilot responded, "I knew that had to be the MICROSOFT building
because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless
answer."
Even if you disagree, he is entitled to his opinion, isn't he? Just as you're entitled to your blinders? (Stelligent)
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post #98 of 106
11/30/11 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Have you noticed the names of some of the folks here that ends in "z"?

Yea. So many begin with A too. Crazy.
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post #99 of 106
12/1/11 at 3:19am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

I was quite amused by the use of that phrase in the YouTube comments on that video. I wasn't aware that conversational English is "Siri commands"

Because Siri can only understand what Siri can understand. 'She' was programmed...she isn't thinking and doesn't learn on her own. She is programmed to recognize key phrases and tones etc and then programmed to decipher what was meant out of a mass of data. If she can't understand she defaults to a search as to not leave you with nothing. (interestingly she's a lot like real people in this regard except she won't make ish up if she doesn't 'know')

The most advanced consumer voice recognition on the planet as far as I can see, but still voice recognition.
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post #100 of 106
12/1/11 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Because Siri can only understand what Siri can understand. 'She' was programmed...she isn't thinking and doesn't learn on her own. She is programmed to recognize key phrases and tones etc and then programmed to decipher what was meant out of a mass of data. If she can't understand she defaults to a search as to not leave you with nothing. (interestingly she's a lot like real people in this regard except she won't make ish up if she doesn't 'know')

The most advanced consumer voice recognition on the planet as far as I can see, but still voice recognition.

Except, Siri does seem to learn on her own... Pronunciation, at least.

My daughter and her 3 children have a last name starting with "Gi". It is pronounced with a hard g as in "Gilbert". Initially, Siri would mispronounce it as if it were j in "jim".

After several days of telling Siri to text or call them using both first and last names, Siri learned the correct prononunciation. I didn't do anything except pronounce the name correctly, and Siri adapted.

I entered a dummy contact for my late wife, Lucy -- so I could test making calls, sending texts, etc. without disturbing the others (it has the same mobile number as me).

Then I told Siiri "Lucy is my wife" and instructed her to remember it. Now I can text, etc. using "Lucy" or "my wife" and see both ends of the activity...

A few moments ago, i asked:

"Siri, who's my wife?"

Siri: "What would you do without me? Here's that contact information..."

I've asked that same question many times before (and several times since) but that was the only time I got a sassy response.
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post #101 of 106
12/1/11 at 8:30pm
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Because Siri can only understand what Siri can understand. 'She' was programmed...she isn't thinking and doesn't learn on her own. She is programmed to recognize key phrases and tones etc and then programmed to decipher what was meant out of a mass of data. If she can't understand she defaults to a search as to not leave you with nothing. (interestingly she's a lot like real people in this regard except she won't make ish up if she doesn't 'know')

Yes, but you don't have to talk to Siri like a computer. You don't have to direct "her" to make an appointment in your calendar, for instance. "She" will take context into account, and just like a human correspondent, fill in the "blank" and correctly interpret what you want.

That's why it was so hilarious that they were accusing the video creator of using "siri commands" when there is no such thing, but for the Microsoft device to work, you do have to use a narrow vocabulary of such commands.

Irony. Obviously wasted on the vast majority of people

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The most advanced consumer voice recognition on the planet as far as I can see, but still voice recognition.

Sure, but at a fundimental level it's all our brain does too. Our brains are just much faster, much better and more self-adapatable. Give Siri time
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post #102 of 106
12/2/11 at 7:25am
Siri can start & stop a car
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Siri can control your temperature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN6wy0keQqo

Lets see Microsoft do that with TellMe
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post #103 of 106
12/2/11 at 8:02am
http://www.winrumors.com/iphone-siri...parison-video/
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post #104 of 106
12/2/11 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

I don't know how much of Siri was Steve. In the biog, it's implied that he was given a demo of Siri for the first time at a Board meeting just before he resigned and was at first pessimistic that it could do as claimed. He asked it several questions and was apparently impressed.

If Steve was not heavily involved with Siri, that actually is a positive for Apple. There's an impression that Jobs was a micro-manager who was involved in every design decision and there's a more positive outlook for Apple's future if a wider variety of executives and managers were directly involved in everything we love about Apple's products that frequently gets credited to Jobs.

I agree with the above, and see your concern below:
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IThere is one thing about Siri that bothers me. If it's really only a Beta, then IMO it shouldn't be the focus of Apple's advertising for the phone. Apple wants to have it both ways: if it works, it's a reason to buy the phone and if it doesn't, "well sorry, it's only a Beta."

But isn't it a case of Siri still being in the process of learning and Apple recognising that if it were advertised as finalised, customers might complain that it didn't understand them 'out of the box'? it's probably better PR to tell buyers they have to train Siri in order to get the best out of it! Also, If more capabilities were being tested before launch (e.g: app or settings control) prior to implementation, then Beta it is.

Technically I suppose, it could remain in Beta forever because it will always be learning something new and hence improving.
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post #105 of 106
12/5/11 at 6:05am
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Except, Siri does seem to learn on her own... Pronunciation, at least.

My daughter and her 3 children have a last name starting with "Gi". It is pronounced with a hard g as in "Gilbert". Initially, Siri would mispronounce it as if it were j in "jim".

After several days of telling Siri to text or call them using both first and last names, Siri learned the correct prononunciation. I didn't do anything except pronounce the name correctly, and Siri adapted.

I entered a dummy contact for my late wife, Lucy -- so I could test making calls, sending texts, etc. without disturbing the others (it has the same mobile number as me).

Then I told Siiri "Lucy is my wife" and instructed her to remember it. Now I can text, etc. using "Lucy" or "my wife" and see both ends of the activity...

A few moments ago, i asked:

"Siri, who's my wife?"

Siri: "What would you do without me? Here's that contact information..."

I've asked that same question many times before (and several times since) but that was the only time I got a sassy response.


Sorry for your loss. Sincerely.
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post #106 of 106
12/5/11 at 7:36am
It was bound to happen. A Siri port for the iPhone4 is reported to be available at Cydia. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole myself, being the work of a Chinese hacker and perhaps doing a bit of data mining in the process. Reported at 9to5.

Consider it a serious word of caution if any of you jail-breakers run across it.

to5mac.com/2011/12/05/jailbreak-news-illegal-siri-iphone-4-port-debuts-on-cydia-ios-5-downgrade-via-ifaith/

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