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post #1 of 31
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I currently have a WallStreet G3 PowerBook (see specs in my signature) and I wanted to upgrade it sometime within the next two or three months. I want something that will allow me to continue using it productively for a few years, capable of expansion, DVD playback and CD burning (either a combo drive or separate DVD-ROM and CD-RW drives), and a G4 processor. I'm thinking of using either an 8600/9600 with upgraded G4 processor and video card, or a used or refurbished G4 tower. Again, I'd like to be able to have DVD playback and CD burning, and DVD burning can't hurt. Which would be more economical? I know that the quicksilver G4/733 has gotten to be a pretty good deal recently, so it's pretty much between that and an upgraded Power Mac.
post #2 of 31
Do not upgrade. These machines have slower system busses and use slower ram. I've tried this method and it really doesn't compare to having a newer G4 tower. Go with the 733. I think there are 3 models of 733 out there. Pre-Quicksilver, Quicksilver, and Quicksilver-shitty cache. If I were you, I'd go that route and it is compatible with any expansion options that come out in the near future, i.e. AGP video cards.
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post #3 of 31
[quote] Quicksilver-shitty cache <hr></blockquote>
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I would go with the first 733's w/ superdrives.
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post #4 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Crusader:
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I would go with the first 733's w/ superdrives.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. If you go for a 733, definately go for the original, pre-Quicksilver ones.
post #5 of 31
Why the pre-quicksilver ones? Is 1Mb of level 2 cache better than 256k of onchip level 2 cache? I have a 466 G4 with 1Mb level 2 cache....................
post #6 of 31
256kB L2 running at full processor speed and 1MB L3 running at half processor speed is better than just 1MB L2 running at half processor speed.
post #7 of 31
Cheapest way? 5 finger discount..actually with powermacs it's 10 fingers.

Then run like hell!!
post #8 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Josey Wales:
<strong>Cheapest way? 5 finger discount..actually with powermacs it's 10 fingers.

Then run like hell!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've always wanted to do that
post #9 of 31
That's what those neat little handles are for.
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[quote]Originally posted by Shanny:
<strong>That's what those neat little handles are for.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe next time I'm in the Apple Store or CompUSA I'll give it a try...
post #11 of 31
sure sure..and let's see...that is a felony

Let me know when and where so I can watch them drag your ass down ;D <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
post #12 of 31
Alright, I'll let you know when and where
post #13 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Bozo the Clown:
<strong>256kB L2 running at full processor speed and 1MB L3 running at half processor speed is better than just 1MB L2 running at half processor speed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't think they were any 733's with L3 cache out there. What about just a G4 with 1Mb Level 2 backside cache vs 256k on chip cache?...................
post #14 of 31
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Okay I checked Apple-History.com and this is what I found:

The Power Macintosh G4 (Digital Audio) was the first G4 to increase the processor speed in a year. It was released in January of 2001. It sped the bus up to 133 MHz, and the two fastest models were a 667 MHz and a 733 MHz. Those two faster models used a Geforce 2 MX as their graphics card with 32 MB of VRAM. They also had 256k on chip L2 cache @ 1:1 and 1 MB of backside L3 cache @ 1:3. This is because both used the new 7450 processor as opposed to the 7410. The 733 had a super drive, while the rest had a CD-RW drive. These were the last graphite colored Power Macs.

The Quicksilver "update" cheapened the 733 significantly. The exact same L2 cache remained, but the L3 cache was completely gone. Also, the super drive was switched out for a CD-RW drive.

So I'd definitely want a graphite 733. It was only sold for about six months, because the Quicksilvers came along in July of 2001, but hopefully it would represent a good value in a used machine that can still run with the big dogs and looks cooler doing it.
post #15 of 31
My graphite 733 ownz all of your punkasses.
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post #16 of 31
I recomend a DP 533. especially with OS X being so great with multiprocessors. Multitasking is much smoother on a dual machine. It will also give you what you need to keep with the big dogs, atleast to macworld with any luck.
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post #17 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Mount_my_floppy:
<strong>I recomend a DP 533. especially with OS X being so great with multiprocessors. Multitasking is much smoother on a dual machine. It will also give you what you need to keep with the big dogs, atleast to macworld with any luck.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree (as long as you'll be using OS X)
post #18 of 31
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An update: Just today I was talking to my brother about the 733, and he brought up that my grandfather's Quicksilver 733 must have a superdrive, because he plays DVDs on it and I don't know if a plain DVD drive was even available as an option on the 733. Perhaps it's BTO, but my grandfather doesn't usually get too involved in the process (he just buys the most expensive thing out there because it's fun for him; he has the 22" cinema display as well ), so my guess is that they changed the case design first and soon after they added the new models.

I do hope to use OS X because using OS 9 on a brand new computer would be a bit anti-progress (after all, everything will eventually be OS X), so a dualie would be cool. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
post #19 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>An update: Just today I was talking to my brother about the 733, and he brought up that my grandfather's Quicksilver 733 must have a superdrive, because he plays DVDs on it and I don't know if a plain DVD drive was even available as an option on the 733. Perhaps it's BTO, but my grandfather doesn't usually get too involved in the process (he just buys the most expensive thing out there because it's fun for him; he has the 22" cinema display as well ), so my guess is that they changed the case design first and soon after they added the new models.
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They didn't change the design first. No Quicksilver 733s had Superdrives. He probably has a combo drive, because that was a BTO option.

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post #20 of 31
Wrong forum for purchasing advice.
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post #21 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>Wrong forum for purchasing advice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This coming from the guy who posts screenshots in the Software Forum.
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post #22 of 31
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If this is the wrong forum for purchasing advice, then what's the right forum? I chose this one because "General Discussion" refers to pretty much anything, whereas the other forums don't seem to apply to my question.
post #23 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>If this is the wrong forum for purchasing advice, then what's the right forum? I chose this one because "General Discussion" refers to pretty much anything, whereas the other forums don't seem to apply to my question.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A few weeks ago Jonathan said to put purchasing advice posts in Genius Bar. It's no big deal though.
post #24 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>Wrong forum for purchasing advice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice contribution to the thread jackass.
post #25 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Exercise in Frivolity:
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Nice contribution to the thread jackass.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Irony is a funny thing, isn't it?
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post #26 of 31
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Hey, no hard feelings anyone. I just recently became a member, so I don't recall anything saying to post purchasing advice in the Genius Bar, but now I know. Thanks for moving the topic accordingly.

Also, thanks for everyone's suggestions to me. I'll keep those in mind when I go to purchase a new computer. If anyone would still like to respond to the topic to continue the actual discussion (no flaming/ranting/etc please) please feel free to do so.
post #27 of 31
Great topic! I've also been in a difficult debate over the three G4 733's. I'll just add that the first G4 had 4 velocity engines--do the others have that feature? I can't find any info on the other G4 733's.

The Graphite G4 just seems to be a better deal because when it came out it was the big dog. Apple threw everything in it. It is, by far, the better performer. Also, it's going for about $1400 with the SuperDrive, if you can find one.

My only arguments for a Quicksilvers are that the software bundle is a lot better, and it's newer.
post #28 of 31
Heres a question-how does the G4 quicksilver 733 compare to the G4 Quicksilver 800? They sound pretty close in mhz, but they have different graphics cards. Any thoughts as to which one is better?........................................... ....
post #29 of 31
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Here are all the specifications that are different between the two computers:

QS 733 has a NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 32 MB, while the QS 800 has an ATI Radeon 7500 32 MB.

Obviously, the clock speed

And the QS 733 shipped with 128 MB RAM ::cough:: as opposed to the 800's 256 MB ::cough!::

Wow, RAM's been low in Macs as long as I can remember.The only Macs that have ever had enough factory installed RAM are the top of the line Pro desktops, right when they come out. Even then there isn't likely to be enough (is someone who's going to be using a dual GHz to its full potential going to settle for 512 MB?)
post #30 of 31
So, neither graphics card has an advantage over the other? I wonder why Apple changed the card in the first place?......................................
post #31 of 31
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Well after some research and such I've pretty much narrowed it down to either a new flat panel iMac/Combo or a used TiBook/Combo. Just from looking at typical used Power Mac prices, I see that they're a bit out of my price range once you add a $500 15" flat panel monitor. $1600 is about what I'm willing to spend, which is about the price of both the computers I mentioned. What I'm concerned about is that I heard that OS X.2 would require 32 MB of VRAM (or at least that's what's recommend), which older TiBooks only have 16 MB of. I suppose the only issue is portability... a portable computer would be great, but I find that I usually don't use my laptop outside of my room.

If I do get an iMac, I'd probably want to wait until just after a revision is introduced and then nab a used one for cheap. That said, how much could I sell my Wallstreet 233 rev. B for? I was thinking $500-$600?
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