Rumor: Apple axed 'evolutionary' 64-bit Final Cut Pro 8 for 'revolutionary' FCPX - Page 3

HUH? Again, the point is that it can be used to collect data points in an equation to improve their products. Nice elitist tone you are taking. I did not sling any arrows at you.

The non sequiturs keep coming. The salient point I made is there are far more switching to Mac than away from it. Your googling was irrelevant in the context of that discussion.

Because for some things it still runs better than Lion, and has fewer bugs.

And there are a number of annoyances ("features" I guess) in Lion that can't be turned off. I'd also argue that iCloud is too buggy to bother with at this point.

Lion is the first version of OSX I haven't switched over to as fast as I could, unless there are major improvements I'll probably hold off until I have newer software that requires it or maybe even skip it for 10.8.

iMac's, they just work - after you've hired a contractor to rebuild a spot for it. Oh, and your going to eventually need an eye doctor after using our product.

great marketing

golf clap

I don't like Lion. I have it on my MBP. At work I run CS5, FCP7, Handbrake, Audio Hijack and Maya on a Mac Pro. On my iMac I use Xcode. I do use iDisk but only until June 2012 apparently. I may quit sooner it is getting really slow. I suspect that Apple might be intentionally slowing it down to motivate people to migrate to iCloud which I have no intention of doing. I will just use Dropbox. I think my .mac email is dead too as I discovered just recently I can no longer receive mail at that address even though that is my iTunes user id.

So again, I ask, why not use those data points to continue improving your products? Even if you are getting 1M new customers a day, I'd still like to know why that 1% decided they wanted to turn back. Even if that 1% is meaningless to my bottom line, I'd still like to know.

Wouldn't you? You will come back with some clever reply, pointless to continue bantering. You are right, I am wrong, you win, I lose, you are better than me!

We agree at last

Two tips: One, you can select a project in the project window (command+0), right-click on it and Duplicate. Or, you can export a version of the project as an XML to archive it, so you can revert back to it at any time.

Second, you can definitely use gap clips (slugs) to edit from the end back to the beginning. Use the position tool (P) to move a clip anywhere you want in the timeline, and it will build a gap clip in the magnetic timeline for you. You can even create secondary storylines above the primary storyline, with its own cuts and transitions. Sometimes when I'm working on a project with a hard time limit (like a 30 second promo, for example), I'll actually set the primary storyline to only contain a gap clip equal to the length of the project. Then, I'll use connected clips and secondary storylines for everything else. It's not perfect, since you have to make sure you've selected the correct storyline in the timeline or else your keyboard shortcuts will default to the primary storyline when adding clips, but does help me keep clips locked at certain locations. That lets me be free to edit anywhere in the timeline and not have to worry about knocking anything out of sync later on. It's a workaround, but it works =).

I like having Snow Leopard as well as Lion for many of the reasons you mention. That slip up by VMWare last week enabling a standard install of Snow Leopard rather than the server was awesome. I suspect they did intend it and were clipped around the ear by Apple Legal given the fact they had a dialog asking if it was authorized.

BTW and off topic sorry ... but is anyone else seeing Safari act weird after today's update? Mine keeps giving me the spinning wheel. Not snapper at all so far! I am disabling all extensions in case they are the cause.

update: I seems to have been Ad Blocker going nuts.

Thanks nice tips. My problem is more than likely not enough real life work in X to learn the work arounds. It's been very quiet for the last year or two ... Nothing beats a real job to learn fast!

Two things:

1) The FCP X 1.0.1 added Time Code support

Final cut Pro X Software Update

2) Sound sound syncing (if the sound is recorded on each camera) is an easy to get close -- then it is a relatively easy matter to manually tweak each camera clip a frame-at-a-time to get video sync.


In addition, with sound syncing you can sync any camera that films any part of the performance -- whether it is capturing the entire performance or not (offline for media changes, etc.)

I'm certainly no pro, but for many things sound syncing seems like it will do the job.

Your points are all valid arguments for sure. However there are minor points I'd make. For example even if a job you were in the middle of was 100% digital it still couldn't be opened in FCProX if it was originated in 7. That is akin to Excel not opening an earlier version's spread sheets. That was pretty amazing from Apple and really a major scary fact for studios with masses of projects archived away that were called upon in new jobs.

I'd also say that many companies have long kept their high end product going for both prestige and R&D. Many a feature accepted as normal in cars today were created in F1 race cars. I truly hope Apple maintain a high end even if it is break even for them on paper. I suspect they will.

Just pray there's no doppler effect

Tweaking the sync is not always as easy as you say. For lip sync, not every part of a songs lyrics is easy to visually align the audio using free form frame at a time nudging. It would be way too tedious especially with multiple cameras. You need to do it by the numbers, not just eyeballing it.

Collecting data points is one thing... but assigning confidence to those data points is another.

You come to a site like AI and on almost any topic you'll get posts by Apple Fanbois and Apple Haters.

Do you think they offset one another?

Do you believe that more people will post bitches rather than praises?

On this particular thread, how many have posted:

-- this is forcing me to go to Windows

vs

-- this is forcing me to stay with OS X


Now, flip that and go to a Windows site!



The fact that [almost] everyone posts anonymously, means that these posts (data points) taken alone must be questioned -- or at least taken with skepticism.

However, after following these threads for a while you begin to be able to identify the posters who have reasoned thought processes (even when you disagree with them).

A post by, say, @mstone carries a lot more weight than a post by @conradjoe.

So, if @mstone says he will switch to Windows for these reasons -- it's believable and, likely, a valid datapoint.

How do you Google for valid data points from reasoned thought processes?

And if you can't -- what are the data points worth?


Rereading my post, I apologize... it does come across as condescending!

My point exactly, so far it's an excellent prosumer product ...

Wow .. great post ... I can't wait for the fall out from this one

This means you can put away the pitchforks, people. Apple loves Pro uses again
Blur35mm can return to paying a premium for OS X.

You need to get a life outside this fantasy world you live in. Or get someone to unlock the basement door.

I'm holding out until June 2012. Then I'll switch to Lion. Hopefully, you all will have finished beta testing it for Apple

His mom would have to then kick him out of the house. In the basement (or Bat Cave) he will stay, issuing proclamations to the universe!

I have to yield to your greater experience -- I wouldn't begin to know how to approach editing something like you described in your prior post.

However, Apple has said they will add [true] multi cam support in the next FCP X release. I suspect that they well understand what the pros require.

In addition, this should be a good test to see if Apple can add features to the new FCP X code base in a timely fashion...

...Supposedly, that is one of the major reasons for rewriting from the ground up and abandoning the FCP 7 architecture.

Fortunately, you're not runnin Apple. Despite all the whining FCP X is absolutely pro quality, and offers up a new paradigm for professional editors. Apple also has a roadmap for adding more features soon. Meanwhile, iMovie is much simpler and perfect for the types of projects the average consumer does at a very attractive price point.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few I suppose:

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2...te-ar-1542518/

Once they get multi-cam and my subtitles xml plug-in is compatible, I could see it being usable since I don't work in a multi seat environment. It is just me. I just need those two things, although I am definitely not looking forward to the learning curve. Except for the speed issue I'm am fine with FCP7. It just isn't that fast at rendering or previewing.

I was actually meaning the references to other regulars here on AI and their attributed levels of credibility nothing to do with your thread.

Meant to respond to the other guy but responded to your post by mistake. The point is had that one person not spoken up and called to complain about the smoke, Apple would never have known their actions were inadvertently affecting others.

Nothing so dramatic. I, like The Crazy One, believe that Microsoft "has no taste." Microsoft has thrown some pretty awful products into the market with little or no care, just to grab marketshare. Simply put, I hate using Windows, Office, and all the rest. I'm still forced to every day on the job. It's a horrible user experience. So, on the suggestion of none other than Bill Gates himself, who once said in an interview that Microsoft was not a monopoly because customers could CHOOSE to use their software or not, I made a choice about my own computers: to not use Microsoft technology. In other words, I followed Bill Gates' advice. He's right: they are not a monopoly. Apple makes the non-Microsoft choice tolerable, even gleefully enjoyable (and it sure beats the Linux user experience).

As S Jobs said, "which market would you sell to?"

30,000 film / TV nerds and pros, or 10 million prosumers like me?

This is one of the stupidest things I have read on this forum - and that includes the time before I put DaHarder on my ignore list! If Apple didn't care about the pro market, they wouldn't have even bothered with Final Cut Pro X.

Final Cut Pro X is geared for the future of video - tapeless, file-based editing. If you still need tape, there are several plug-ins that will handle the gaps. Final Cut Pro X and the plugins cost less than the old FCP suite.

Not communicating on issues like Multicam and cutting sales of the previous Final Cut before Final Cut Pro X had feature parity with the old suite were perhaps Apple's biggest mistakes. Releasing Final Cut Pro X was not a mistake, nor a sign that they don't care about the Pro market. In two years, new projects will start to be cut on Final Cut Pro X, and as more and more video shifts to tapeless workflow, the gap between the rest of the industry and Final Cut Pro X will grow.

This reminds me of the fuss on the change from film to digital - most of what I read about Final Cut Pro X is exactly the same. Apple is once again pushing forward ahead of the rest of the industry and their users - good for them! Otherwise we would be stuck with traditional editing interfaces for who knows how long

Absolutely. Spot on.

Pssst - why don't you cross reference to the release schedule of the Intel Xeon CPUs contained within those Mac Pro's?


No, it's not since all it proves is you don't understand the technology you are attempting to comment on.


And they will switch back once tapeless becomes the normal workflow and FCPX is the only app written from the ground up around that workflow.


Huh? The lead developer demoed a pre-release version before a major show. They have actively engaged respected editors throughout the industry. They have publicly stated multiple times they are not abandoning the pro market.

It has "Pro" in the name!!! If they didn't care about pro's why even bother naming the product like they did?


If you are referring to reversing themselves on selling the previous version, I do agree there - that was their biggest mistake - followed closely by waiting far too long to talk about future plans for obviously missing features like multicam. But I don't begrudge them for shipping it now - there are plenty of people who don't need multicam that are benefitting from FCPX now.


Apple never discusses future product plans - so I'm not sure, other than pouting, what people are upset about here. And they are not getting rid of the Pro. It may not have the volume of other systems, but it has far to many attributes that make it necessary. It's not an Xserve waiting to happen...


I have a Mac Pro and I still can't get decent third party graphics card support without hacking I'm far less concerned about them dropping the Pro and far more concerned that they seem to be loosing interest in releasing better graphics card choices


Thunderbolt can't replace a single 16 lane PCI express card slot - let alone two of 'em and three 4 lane slots. Thunderbolt is cool, but it can't touch the bandwidth available in the Mac Pro.


Yup, I happily pay a premium for Mac OSX. And windows "coming a long way" may be good enough for you, but not me.

Choice is good.


Perhaps because they aren't? Couldn't that be the real source of your confusion?


If you are looking for warm fuzzies and daily affirmations then Apple is not the company for you. I'm sure Dell or HP would be more than happy to tell you their future plans. Heck, Microsoft too. Then again, it doesn't mean they will make those days or deliver on their promises - but at least they are assuring you

I never get this "need" by people about what isn't shipping. If it isn't shipping, it doesn't exist. I'm far more interested in a companies overall track record of delivering - and Apple delivers. Not always in the ways that people expect, but the vast majority of the time they are right vs. wrong.

Problem with your theory about Mac Pro Updates is that Intel was suppossed to release the Sandy Bridge Xeons this year and did not they are now expected to be released in the spring See link http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...socket-trinity


And Ivy Bridge Xeons were suppossed to be release in 2012, but will be pushed back to late 2012 instead of early like they were suppossed to be.

Apple can not update the Mac Pros without the Processors from intel.

Also they are running the current up to date version of the xeon that intel is shipping now in the current mac pros

Bingo...

Totally rewriting an application from the ground up is "taking the easy path"?

I'd hate to see your definition of "taking the hard path"

Actually, it's not. There was no "simply" - FCP7 is full of legacy code, and with the 64 bit push of Lion combined with all the cool technology like OpenCL that FCP7 didn't take advantage of, I can see where Apple rightly decided to "burn the house down" and start over.

The worst thing they did was drop sales of FCP7 - they should have kept it up until FCPX and the plugins caught up. But as for FCPX? In a couple of years these discussions are going to look pretty silly...

Again, what a load of crap.

If that is really what Apple was doing they wouldn't have expended the energy to write FCPX from scratch - they would have just dropped FCP7 after milking it for another couple of years.

Sheesh - the inability of some to see the big picture - particularly after being practically smacked over the head with it - is hard to believe.

And it didn't happen overnight. Avid used to be over 80% at one point.


Not gonna happen. FCP8 is dead - and thank goodness! FCPX, like the original, will mature and come into it's own over time. The foundation is there, as has been pointed out in quotes provided in quotes throughout this and other threads by those who make their living day in and day out doing this stuff.

FCPX is the future, and for most it's a little ahead of the game. Once the everyone else catches up to where FCPX is now, FCPX will be a mature and well entrenched app. Competitors aren't going to be able to simply slap a few UI tweaks on and continue with business as usual.

Heck, things like OpenCL are still evolving... and FCPX is built from the ground up fully embracing all of the modern foundations that Apple has been laying over the past 10 years in Mac OSX.

As I said, the biggest bungle that Apple did was to cancel FCP7 simultaneously with FCPX - which they finally (and as others said, grudgingly) reversed. But that's just a political/perception issue. It has nothing to do with the long term strategic direction Apple is moving with FCPX which in the long run will more than pan out.

Your welcome to think that, but it doesn't make it true

Yes, because it's so hard to get a non-Apple display

Professional whiner maybe...