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post #81 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

To NARAL, ACLU, and all Pro-Choice Activists:

Here you go..


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Originally Posted by macspotter View Post

Me: Siri, I want to kill my unborn.
Siri: I found your location and will call 911 to inform the nearest police station.

Me: Siri, my boyfriend wants me to have an abortion.
Siri: I found two shrinks nearby.

Me: Siri, I'm pregnant and am not sure if I want to keep my baby.
Siri: You might consider to visit a Planned Parenthood location.

Me: Siri, I'm pregnant and am unsure about keeping my baby.
Siri: You might consider visiting a Right to Life location.

Me: Siri, you really confuse me with your answers.
Siri: I'm sorry. Does the answer '42' help you in any way.

Me: Siri, where is the highest building nearby.
Siri: You're not drawing any conclusions out of my previous answers, do you.

Oooh, the intricacies.

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Originally Posted by Zozman View Post

WOW this is lame, people can't be responsible for their own actions....Siri made me do it

Honestly, this is not funny and I think Apple should steer clear of this and similar subjects. People are stupid and imagine some teen asking siri the pregnant question and depending on their location and the third party services what the end answer could be and the end results. This is filled with possible bad outcome.

As the founder of Siri said, this program is highly dependent on third part services and their database of information, as we all know on the web you can not trust the information. Also these database usually have information base on companies willingness to pay to have their information show up first like Google ad words.

Do you think not for profit help groups are expending lots of money to make sure they show up first when you do a search, hell no, so the risk that a organization who is design to help people one way or another showing up at the top of a Siri recommendation is very low.

With that said it is probably in Apple's interest not to let the phone answer the question it should refer the person to their Dr, parent or religious advisory and leave it at that.

It no different than people trying to sue Marilyn Manson say his songs cause their kids to kill themselves. People tend to want to blame others and Sire is a perfect candidate for that.
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post #82 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:16am
Whenever I need an abortion the first thing I think is to ask Siri.
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post #83 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

To NARAL, ACLU, and all Pro-Choice Activists:

Here you go..


Proof that Siri isn't choosing to exclude abortion clinics for some secret political agenda. How do you explain that, Jetz?

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post #84 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

The author says this:
"And its clear that Yelp is definitely not a leading contender as an information source for other issues, especially health matters, even though some people are starting to leave reviews for providers there. "

It is entirely possible (and actually likely) that Apple doesn't use Yelp for questions of that nature. To prove that point, you'd have to first figure out what source Apple uses for questions of that nature and then see if Apple was providing different results than the original source.

Like I said, I honestly think some programmer simply excluded any sex related topics (other than the easter eggs that have come out). That's the reason Siri won't even spit out some of the Yelp results.
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post #85 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:42am
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Like I said, I honestly think some programmer simply excluded any sex related topics (other than the easter eggs that have come out). That's the reason Siri won't even spit out some of the Yelp results.

Unless you're in Denver, I guess.

And what about your comments about Siri choosing to be glib about rape? You also think that programmer including glib comments about violent acts?

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post #86 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:48am
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Actually, I choose to treat it exactly like that. Because that's what it is.

Lots of folks say the same thing when some women get assaulted. "Oh they're just over-reacting." Or "She deserved it."


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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

Yeah, because those two are the same. </sarcasm>

No. Apparently, providing sexual health info is a lower priority than letting you know where to bury a dead body, where to find a pizza, or where to get laid. Rape and abuse information not so much. Siri can't even be bothered to give you the opportunity to web search for it.

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I thought you might be sane until I read this post. Now I think you're a little nuts.

If being concerned about something like this makes me crazy so be it. I happen to think that an information source and resource that is extensively advertised as a key selling feature of an Apple product should certainly prioritize finding you the phone number of rape crisis centre (or at least suggest the nearest hospital or police station...which it doesn't do either...like it does for "I'm bleeding.") over helping you find a cheeseburger.


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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

You really don't have anything better to do with your time, do you? My God...if this is a "serious issue," I can only imagine how seriously you take things like the weather forecast and accurate DVR listings.

Seriously right? I mean who care about women looking for birth control? It's not like providing a list of pharmacies would be obvious? And who cares if Siri tells you there's no abortion clinics or rape crisis centres in your area. Clearly these issues are on par with the weather and DVR listings for some people.
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post #87 of 98
12/1/11 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

Whenever I need an abortion the first thing I think is to ask Siri.

Unfortunately, I could actually see some 15 year old kid taking Siri's answer as gospel. That's not a far-fetched scenario.
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post #88 of 98
12/1/11 at 12:02pm
We don't lock threads. If it turns into politics we will just move it to Political Outsider. If just a few people start insulting other people, we will just delete their posts faster than they can make them.


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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post

I think that this thread has the power to get way to out of hand. Looking at some of the insults tossed about just when smartphones are brought up. I hate to see what will come up when a serious subject is involved.

I know that you don't generally close threads but this can get out of hand.
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post #89 of 98
12/1/11 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

Lots of folks say the same thing when some women get assaulted. "Oh they're just over-reacting." Or "She deserved it."

You're comparing search results to assault?

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No. Apparently, providing sexual health info is a lower priority than letting you know where to bury a dead body, where to find a pizza, or where to get laid. Rape and abuse information not so much. Siri can't even be bothered to give you the opportunity to web search for it.

Oh stop with your BS weasel-words. "Sexual health" is simply a nice term you're using for abortion. And yes, when it comes to the vast majority of users, finding a pizza is a lot more important than finding an abortion clinic.

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If being concerned about something like this makes me crazy so be it. I happen to think that an information source and resource that is extensively advertised as a key selling feature of an Apple product should certainly prioritize finding you the phone number of rape crisis centre (or at least suggest the nearest hospital or police station...which it doesn't do either...like it does for "I'm bleeding.") over helping you find a cheeseburger.

Dude...one word: Perspective. It's freaking BETA SOFTWARE being sold on a SMARTPHONE. And you're assailing Apple for it not being able to take care of every need in a person's life. You might as well throw a fit about it not automatically warning you that tobacco is bad for your health when you search for cigarette shops..

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Seriously right? I mean who care about women looking for birth control?

They're not looking for birth control, Mr. intellectually dishonest. And they are not even looking for abortion clinics. Someone just happened to notice this and decided to make a big deal out of it. Show me one person that couldn't get rape counseling because her Siri didn't function properly. For f***'s sake.

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It's not like providing a list of pharmacies would be obvious? And who cares if Siri tells you there's no abortion clinics or rape crisis centres in your area. Clearly these issues are on par with the weather and DVR listings for some people.

These issues are not on par with DVR listings and the weather, but the issue of Siri results IS. It's a smartphone. It's not a magical cure-all. Get over it.
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post #90 of 98
12/1/11 at 3:19pm
Just don't get pregnant that way.

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post #91 of 98
12/1/11 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

it has to be mentioned that abstinence (which you are somewhat heavily promoting here), is actually the worst and least reliable method of birth control.

So people who do not have sex have more babies than people who do have sex using condoms, birth control pills, morning after, etc?
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There are literally thousands of studies showing how promoting abstinence as a cure for unwanted pregnancies

And? You stated that abstinence (not programs that promote abstinence)*is the worst method of birth control.
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It's like asking people not to fart.

Yet people who do not fart, fart far less (like none) than people who do fart.
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post #92 of 98
12/1/11 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

For instance, the ACLU took issue with the fact that Siri is able to answer questions about where to have sex or where to find a local escort service, but provides "false and misleading information about abortion" because it directs users to pregnancy crisis centers.

Yup, information that doesn't match your groupthink is "false"

Gotta love the ACLU... Civil Liberties as long as you meet their narrow definition for acceptable
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post #93 of 98
12/1/11 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

Uh huh. Apple is reviewing every one of those Siri requests and censoring them in real time. Just like those ATM machines with little people inside, printing money.

Ugh, your wasting your time expecting an informed or objective opinion in these forums - let alone on a topic such as this one

Time to move on - I can't believe I expected an actual discussion coming into this thread. Silly me...
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post #94 of 98
12/1/11 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Yup, information that doesn't match your groupthink is "false"

Gotta love the ACLU... Civil Liberties as long as you meet their narrow definition for acceptable

So including everything is groupthink to you?
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post #95 of 98
12/2/11 at 5:32am
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So people who do not have sex have more babies than people who do have sex using condoms, birth control pills, morning after, etc?

Nope. Actual abstinence would work (except for involuntary cases such as rape), if people were willing to follow through with the commitment. But it is not realistic to expect that the majority of the population will actually adhere to the goal of actual abstinence.

Basing a nation's strategy of controlling issues such as unplanned-for pregnancies, diseases, etc, purely upon a single-pronged tactic of promoting abstinence will not work. A majority of people who are preached at about the virtues of abstinence will ignore the advice. Teaching abstinence doesn't work because people will just go out and have sex anyway.
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post #96 of 98
12/2/11 at 2:00pm
I asked Siri I wanted to abort my baby. She gave me directiosn to a baby store. Didn't know they aborted babies at Babies R Us.
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post #97 of 98
12/3/11 at 9:59am
Siri is now overcompensating for this issue: http://www.happyplace.com/12630/siri...-get-abortions (funny)

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post #98 of 98
12/3/11 at 12:29pm
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Just don't get pregnant that way.

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By sperm?
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