Originally Posted by jazzguru
We're going around in circles at this point, but I'll address this:
Newt would not take any steps to reign in our overseas empire and stop policing the world. Neither would Obama. No difference there. We shouldn't support Israel at all. They have 300 nukes and they can take care of themselves. It's time to end the entangling alliances Jefferson warned us about and start promoting friendship and free trade.
Now you're moving the goalposts again! You said there was no difference. There is a clear difference on many points. You can't call them the same because you see a similarity on one point.
Our overseas troop levels should be drastically reduced. Obama has not done so. No significant difference from Newt, there.
Where, when and why? I disagree we should reduce overseas troops for the sake of doing so.
Newt would have the same policy on Iran that Obama has, he'd just be more clear and upfront about it than Obama is. They're chomping at the bit to attack Iran. They may have already started and just not told us about it yet.
Newt would have already attacked, or at least imposed more serious sanctions.
Okay, on this one you're partially right. Newt started the "Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less." campaign. However, he would not work to end government subsidies to big oil, which contribute to our problems.
I don't know that they do contribute to the problems we're facing, but I agree with eliminating them.
Obama has managed to get some pretty significant stuff through Congress - with and without bipartisan support. Obamacare? Patriot Act?
Yes, until the Congress was divided. And even previously, he didn't get what he wanted...he got the worst of all worlds...and it barely passed.
You cannot limit the government domestically without limiting it overseas, too. Newt will be a disaster on foreign policy and defense just as Obama has been, and that money hole would only get wider and deeper under his administration. And even domestically, Newt will trim around the edges here and there, but has no plans to balance the budget.
That's not what he claims. That's not what his track record shows.
Taxation is theft, and it is not the federal government's job to meddle in the free market. Newt will abolish or even audit the Federal Reserve, which is at the very heart of our financial problems. Until the Federal Reserve is dealt with, any "reforms" will be like putting band-aids on a gaping, infected wound.
No one will abolish the Fed. Even Ron Paul. Get real.
He repudiated his position on mandates quite some time ago. Even if not, his plan was and is not the same as Obama's.
I think Newt would repeal Obamacare only to replace it with slightly different, yet still cumbersome government bureaucracy and red tape. The underlying problem would still not be addressed, which is too much government involvement and meddling in the healthcare system.
I'll grant that might be true.
He looks different. He says different things. He doesn't need a teleprompter. I don't know how his golf game is. But in nearly every way that counts, he is really no different than Obama. I don't trust either of them.
But again, that's just not true. The real issue for you is that....he's not Ron Paul. He doesn't want to pull all the troops home, end the fed, end medicare and medicaid, end social security, deregulate everything
or commit the armed forces except in case of self-defense and only with a declaration of war. Instead, he wants to do some of those things to a certain level. But what you're saying is you'd much rather have Obama. That's what I just don't understand. Again, I'm not a Gingrich supporter, but I'd take him over Obama. Hell, I'd take Hillary Clinton over Obama. I'd take Donald Trump over Obama. They are not great options, but they are better when compared to what we have.
What it really comes down to is that I don't understand what you hope accomplish by voting for Paul as a third party candidate. You're smart enough to know that there is almost no chance he can win. You're smart enough to know that if enough people do this, it will sap the GOP candidate of votes and likely deliver the election to Obama. Are you really telling me you're willing to have another Obama term so you can say you "stuck to your principles?" Really?