Originally Posted by ljocampo
If what you said in this post and the other one is how you think, then I betting you believe smoking is immoral.
Is smoking immoral? I don't know anyone who believes that. It might be a disgusting habit. It might be an unhealthy practice. But I don't believe it is immoral. This was one of the reasons I replied to your post in the first place.
I don't need to learn what you said "morality doesn't come from," opinions because it is wrong. I've had eight years of graduate studies in this discipline and not once could your premise prevail as you stated it.
People's opinions on morality are their bias that becomes the basis of the particular morality they wish to follow. Otherwise they would not follow it. Opinions are conclusions of the thought process that guide a person's choices. It is their bias. It is the center of why we choose a particular religion, politic, or a lifelong mate. I'm not confusing any of this. I believe you have.
The truth is opinion is irreversibly linked to the thought process that allows one's belief structure to follow a morality. Globally you'll find many different cultures and mores from your own. It is naive to think that these different moralities are all wrong. The morality you believe absolutely today may changed in time. It has changed many times during the evolution of Christianity.
You says morality is absolute. This belief is the dangerous part of both your post. It is the basis of much destruction and death throughout history. The Nazis had a particular morality of Arian supremacy that ended in the deaths of tens of millions of human beings. It is the basis of ethnic cleansing still today and throughout history. It is total intolerance of what and how others believe, think, and worship.
You're still confused. It's probably 8 years of study in the 'discipline' that has you confused. I don't don't want to sound disrespectful, but moral relativism is utter horseshit. Most folks realize this, or at least they used to.
Here's a few points for you, and then I'll have to be all done with this discussion:
I didn't say smoking is immoral, I said promoting the practice is. There's a big difference.
People choose a course of action because they have agency. People choose based on their beliefs and desires, fortitude or lack thereof. People can choose that which is moral or immoral. Morality itself is separate. Things are either moral or immoral regardless of what people believe. Morality is a constant, like the laws of the universe. It doesn't matter whether you believe in gravity or not, it still exists.
Morality isn't the basis of destruction through history, bad choices are. The Nazis through their agency chose immorality. They believed in a false premise, a premise that is/was immoral. The morality (right) or immorality (wrong) wasn't the problem, their choices were. They chose poorly.
There is plenty of room for tolerance of how people believe, think and worship. This doesn't change the nature of morality. One of the simplest examples, once again, is stealing. Search the world over, and you will find that cultures everywhere understand that stealing is immoral, it is wrong to do. Most people know it. Some people just believe it. Others have lost their "moral compass."
Hypothetical: If world cultures change in the next hundred years (or less), and somehow stealing becomes acceptable, and people's belief systems change to accept the behavior as common practice, well then, it could become legal, acceptable, and expected. But it would still be immoral, because morality is a constant, regardless of how many people think otherwise. The society's behavior might change, but that would just mean the whole population just became immoral with regards to that particular thing.