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post #81 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

I was agreeing with you dude.

No Problem... though that whole "But this guy cant be wrong- he's the smartest person ever. Just ask him" was a bit ambiguous as to whom it was being directed.

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post #82 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:07pm
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No Problem... though that whole "But this guy cant be wrong- he's the smartest person ever. Just ask him" was a bit ambiguous as to whom it was being directed.

Be Well...

His comment wasn't ambiguous, but it does explain why you thnk using multi to describe dual is just as precise.

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post #83 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:13pm
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No Problem... though that whole "But this guy cant be wrong- he's the smartest person ever. Just ask him" was a bit ambiguous as to whom it was being directed.

Be Well...

It's fairly obvious as to who it was directed towards, as the dude has a huge hard on for me, since many of his posts are about me, and not the subject at hand.

I'm sorry to inform him that I'm not gay, so he'll have to take his hard on elsewhere.
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post #84 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

His comment wasn't ambiguous, but it does explain why you this multi to describe two is just as precise as dual.

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It's fairly obvious as to who it was directed towards

English... Please?
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #85 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:23pm
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English... Please?

He was referring to me.
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post #86 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:24pm
11 point multitouch...what's the other point for? "You killed my father...prepare to die"? Or is it more "Ewwww"?

For $50 more I'm getting the Nook Tablet. Between the SD card, buttons and RAM I can live with the locked bootloader.
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post #87 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:28pm
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11 point multitouch...what's the other point for? "You killed my father...prepare to die"? Or is it more "Ewwww"?

I'm not sure why it's 11. Maybe it's for playing head to head Fruit Ninja?
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post #88 of 141
12/2/11 at 9:32pm
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11 point multitouch...what's the other point for? "You killed my father...prepare to die"? Or is it more "Ewwww"?

I think it's just to make sure they have the FULL multi-touch display input covered. Especially considering what some ingenious developer could come up with.

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post #89 of 141
12/2/11 at 10:54pm
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post #90 of 141
12/2/11 at 11:31pm
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The article says:

So this is a projection for one year away?

"Amazon is expected to "surpass all other iPad rivals" in the final quarter of 2012."

Well going on this which shows less than 2% of Android devices running Honeycomb, Amazon has just doubled the number of Honeycomb tablets in the world.

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post #91 of 141
12/2/11 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Well going on this which shows less than 2% of Android devices running Honeycomb, Amazon has just doubled the number of Honeycomb tablets in the world.

The Kindle Fire runs a forked version of 2.3.4 Gingerbread, not 3.x Honeycomb.

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post #92 of 141
12/3/11 at 1:13am
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I swear- people on this forum just post whatever response they are thinking and don't actually read what they are responding too. It's like being in an argument and thinking about what you are going to say to the person you're arguing with instead of actually listening to them and processing what they say and then speaking.
I hope y'all aren't like this in real life- because if you are, you're either socially retarded or giant a-holes. You pick.

"I want to have an argument with you" (Monty Python (Live at Hollywood Bowl)). Isn't it ? (argue, please, it would make me so happy ..)
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post #93 of 141
12/3/11 at 2:10am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You might; you made the actual 2,000,000th post.

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post #94 of 141
12/3/11 at 2:14am
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My iPad 2 pools when I push on it moderately too. No question. My phone doesn't regardless of how hard I push. The bigger the screen, the more the flex... Simple physics. (the MBP glass is much thicker btw- so it doesn't count).

Wow. I think you and DaHarder have defective iPad2s. You really have to press quite hard to get this "pooling effect". "Moderate" pressure? I really don't think so.

The concept you and DaHarder are putting forward regarding the quality of the iPad2 vs Kindle, based on the "LCD pooling" is, really, quite ludicrous. I'm sure any reasonable person using a standard iPad2 would virtually never notice this. I've been using the iPad 1 and 2 and never noticed it.

I guess when you've only got two-finger "multitouch" on the Kindle you have to adjust for the greater pressure since it is exerted at only two points at the maximum.
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post #95 of 141
12/3/11 at 2:52am
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Wow. I think you and DaHarder have defective iPad2s. You really have to press quite hard to get this "pooling effect". "Moderate" pressure? I really don't think so.

The concept you and DaHarder are putting forward regarding the quality of the iPad2 vs Kindle, based on the "LCD pooling" is, really, quite ludicrous. I'm sure any reasonable person using a standard iPad2 would virtually never notice this. I've been using the iPad 1 and 2 and never noticed it.

Same here, never ever experienced pooling on either iPads, Just now tried to create pooling and you have to press VERY hard to get some Stating iPad2 has a pooling flaw is from my personal experience not true, and ludicrous yeah.
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post #96 of 141
12/3/11 at 4:07am
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What kind of parent doesn't have $500 to invest in their kids future?

I'd be more interested in what kind of parent would palm their job off to a $500 electronic nanny under the guise of "investing in their future" instead of just spending time with their children like they should be. Answer: a pretty pathetic one.
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post #97 of 141
12/3/11 at 6:09am
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Wow. I think you and DaHarder have defective iPad2s. You really have to press quite hard to get this "pooling effect". "Moderate" pressure? I really don't think so.

The concept you and DaHarder are putting forward regarding the quality of the iPad2 vs Kindle, based on the "LCD pooling" is, really, quite ludicrous. I'm sure any reasonable person using a standard iPad2 would virtually never notice this. I've been using the iPad 1 and 2 and never noticed it.

I guess when you've only got two-finger "multitouch" on the Kindle you have to adjust for the greater pressure since it is exerted at only two points at the maximum.

I'm not trying to put forward any idea. I think the iPad is vastly superior both in features and build quality to the fire- after owning one and using the latter. When I push in the middle of the screen I get pooling. I have very skinny fingers, but I could have a defective one too- I never really compared it vs others hands on.

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I'd be more interested in what kind of parent would palm their job off to a $500 electronic nanny under the guise of "investing in their future" instead of just spending time with their children like they should be. Answer: a pretty pathetic one.

I thought the same thing when I saw that post. You can use an iPad for education, but in no way am I giving it to my kids until they are much older. If its mine, I can do flash cards, etc and control it- ie they don't get to use it for games, just supervised education. That way there is never temptation. If its "theirs", what's gonna be used more- flash cards or angry birds.... 24/7. Ive seen this personally in friends kids.

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post #98 of 141
12/3/11 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

This 3.9M is still not based on any actual data from Amazon. "A lot", "millions", "more than you", "did too!", "are not!" These are the kind of things we hear from Amazon

Plus, Apple's competitors generally talk about units shipped, not sold.

That said, I fully expect that the Fire will do well. It's priced at a point that it's an impulse buy for a lot of people and it's not a bad unit.

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According to the article, Amazon loses only $2.70 per unit, so they've lost 10.53M. Still a decent chunk, but much more manageable. So long as the estimate in the article for build cost is accurate. Those typically don't include labor and such tho, so somewhere between the 2 figures.

The $2.70 figure is based solely on estimated component costs. The $50 figure is based on total manufacturing cost.

With a component cost of $201.70, it's not hard to imagine $47.30 in additional, non-component costs. Labor. Plant overhead. Utilities. Shipping. Packaging. Allowance for rejects and rework. Tech support cost (which may be included in COGS). Quality control costs.

And that's before you get into the marketing costs. If Amazon sells 10 million of these and spends $100 M in advertising, marketing, design, etc, that's an additional $10 per unit that they're losing.
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post #99 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:14am
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And if it is true that it is only two touch, then it is deceptive to call it multi touch, IMO.

Amazon is guilty of fraud.
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post #100 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:17am
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Sorry, but dual touch is not multitouch. The iPad is multitouch and Amazon calling their mini tablet multitouch is deceptive advertising, as ignorant people will be fooled and thinking that they're actually getting multitouch like the iPad, when in fact, it is a pathetic dual touch.


The FTC should get involved immediately to prevent further consumer fraud.
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post #101 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:20am
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Anyone else crack up when they read this? Lol....

I crack up at almost every post. Many are classics. I have read them aloud to people who have trouble believing that they are real.
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post #102 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:23am
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No kidding. I avoid Android tablets like the plague. You couldn't pay me to touch one.

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Case in point!

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post #103 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:39am
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Does anybody else see the delicious irony that the #2 tablet behind the iPad is a mini tablet running a modified Android OS sporting an extremely closed ecosystem?

Not only that, but one that doesn't have to compete on pure hardware sales alone?

This is the android fork that could pretty much suck up what little oxygen in the room that was left after the iPad.

Irony doesn't even begin to touch it
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post #104 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:39am
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Good point. If dual core processors were advertised as multi-core, it would be funny to see the reactions.

A multi-core processor is a single computing component with two or more independent actual processors (called "cores"), ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor


Processors
Multi core questions and answers

Why are the CPU graphs in Windows* Task Manager not identical?
If you have a multi-core processor, this is not unusual. Each box represents one of the cores in the processor. Dual-cores processors have two graphs and quad-core processors have four graphs.

http://www.intel.com/support/process...w=multi%20core
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post #105 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by Sipadan View Post

Misleading title. Amazon hasn't taken anything yet, as the numbers are EXPECTED as in MAYBE they will happen, maybe not.

I was a little confused about that too - has Amazon ever released real sales number for the Kindle? Ever?

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And don't get me started on the shipped versus sold numbers.....

Hehe - back to the old liars/statistics saying...
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post #106 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

Besides claiming sales that are yet to be proven, does anyone really consider the Fire a "tablet computer?" It seem more like a "reader +" to me.

Which means it will turn into an iPad evangelism tool for most buyers.

I have a Kindle - but because of the e-Ink screen, not because it's a Kindle. As a reader only, other than having color, I don't see the advantage of it over the regular Kindle. For me (and the other people I watched playing with it) the performance for the non-reading performance is so bad people will get frustrated with it quickly.

But it will probably get people to pay attention to the iPad more. Apple's probably very happy with the Fire!
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post #107 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:48am
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I don't care what Amazon calls it. Dual Touch does not equal multi touch in my book. I find that to be most deceptive.

In computing, multi-touch refers to a touch sensing surface's (trackpad or touchscreen) ability to recognize the presence of two or more points of contact with the surface.

en.wikipedia.orcg/wiki/Multi-touch

Multi-Touch trackpad.
Be more hands-on.
The Multi-Touch trackpad is the most natural way to interact with whats on your screen, and the smooth glass surface gives you plenty of room for gestures. Pinch to zoom in and out,

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#trackpad
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post #108 of 141
12/3/11 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

What do you do in real life to afford so many gadgets my friend?

Professional internet searcher in his moms basement?

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I am jealous.

I wouldn't be...
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post #109 of 141
12/3/11 at 10:47am
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iPad = 11 point Multitouch
Fire = 2 point dual touch

Yet, Amazon calls theirs for Multitouch.

Yep, they're the same thing. There's no reason at all for anybody to be pointing out the vast difference between the two.


This one goes to ELEVEN!
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post #110 of 141
12/3/11 at 10:54am
It's interesting how the same posters that are so quick to point out that some overly large Android-based phone has a higher resolution than the iPhone (despite being a considerably lower PPI) are now claiming tht dual-point touch is just as useful as eleven-point touch. Even a FULL (three-point) multouch would be a huge improvement in usability over a dual-touch display.

Now if we were discussing the usability of five-points on a 7" display v eleven-points on a 10" display then there wouldn't be an issue because would at or above the minimum level for a good experience. But dual-touch? Come on!

You also have to question other shortcuts Amazon has taken. We know the Blackberry Playbook design they use cuts out a great many HW features but I can't help but wonder what other corners they have cut and what heap marketing tricks they've employed to hide the Fire's shortcomings. For instance, what about the touch panel's accuracy. We knownte iPhone has ranked well above the competition in knowing where your capacitance inputs are. How good is the Fire?

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post #111 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:22am
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It's interesting how the same posters that are so quick to point out that some overly large Android-based phone has a higher resolution than the iPhone (despite being a considerably lower PPI) are now claiming tht dual-point touch is just as useful as eleven-point touch. Even a FULL (three-point) multouch would be a huge improvement in usability over a dual-touch display.

Long time reader, first time poster. I read these forums all the time but have thus far refrained from posting, but the rhetoric being used is driving me crazy. So, my question is, where did anyone say that 2 point multi touch is superior to 11 point multi touch? I must have missed that claim. 2 IS multi, but the use of multi is all about context. If i were describing my macbook, it has a dual core processor. Describing my desktop, it has a hexa-core processor. In either statement i could have correctly substituted multi, but I wanted to be more descriptive. So basically, your right, it is a dual-point touch screen. And DaHarder is right, it is a multi-touch screen. The fact that this is something even worth arguing is astounding.

I don't see anyone claiming that the Kindle fire is superior to the iPad. It's not, and it wasn't meant to be. It is a value proposition. I actually own both, and I find I have been using the kindle fire more, mainly because its easier to carry with me. I could care less how many points of touch are on it, because I watch movies, check email, surf the internet, occasionally read a book when I don't have my e-ink kindle with me, etc. Its fantastic for people invested in Amazon services. The touchscreen can be a bit wonky on the fire(recent update much improved). You get what you pay for.
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post #112 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:25am
I've been heavily considering a Kindle Fire. Some people in my family want a tablet, and it's harder for me to justify an iPad. Granted I have a 4S and could transfer my apps to an iPad (Infinity Blade FTW!). Just for what I mainly do, I can't justify $500. I like watching HBO GO, surfing some sites, Netflix, and casual stuff like that. I have a feeling an extra $300 just doesn't give me an extra $300 vs when I decided to get the 4S vs the 4. Totally not sure though. Good Android tablets are $500 too , so definatley no. I heard the nook was better than the Kindle. But I'm not sure......
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post #113 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:45am
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I've been heavily considering a Kindle Fire. Some people in my family want a tablet, and it's harder for me to justify an iPad. Granted I have a 4S and could transfer my apps to an iPad (Infinity Blade FTW!). Just for what I mainly do, I can't justify $500. I like watching HBO GO, surfing some sites, Netflix, and casual stuff like that. I have a feeling an extra $300 just doesn't give me an extra $300 vs when I decided to get the 4S vs the 4. Totally not sure though. Good Android tablets are $500 too , so definatley no. I heard the nook was better than the Kindle. But I'm not sure......

I actually went through a similar debate myself(about the nook). The only reason I picked the fire was that I already extensively use amazon for my books and music, and I am an amazon prime member. If that wasn't the case, I would have went with the nook, it has better specs, expandable memory and I like the design better. But you will deal with a more limited market.
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post #114 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:49am
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Long time reader, first time poster. I read these forums all the time but have thus far refrained from posting, but the rhetoric being used is driving me crazy. So, my question is, where did anyone say that 2 point multi touch is superior to 11 point multi touch? I must have missed that claim. 2 IS multi, but the use of multi is all about context. If i were describing my macbook, it has a dual core processor. Describing my desktop, it has a hexa-core processor. In either statement i could have correctly substituted multi, but I wanted to be more descriptive. So basically, your right, it is a dual-point touch screen. And DaHarder is right, it is a multi-touch screen. The fact that this is something even worth arguing is astounding.

I don't see anyone claiming that the Kindle fire is superior to the iPad. It's not, and it wasn't meant to be. It is a value proposition. I actually own both, and I find I have been using the kindle fire more, mainly because its easier to carry with me. I could care less how many points of touch are on it, because I watch movies, check email, surf the internet, occasionally read a book when I don't have my e-ink kindle with me, etc. Its fantastic for people invested in Amazon services. The touchscreen can be a bit wonky on the fire(recent update much improved). You get what you pay for.


People don't get that the Nook is targeted to be a value tablet. It gets much of what the average consumer wants done and that's the segment Amazon wants. I'm quite tired of people comparing every device to Apple that they know can't compete to make themselves feel superior. I mean at this point, why not compare Apple laptop sales to PC laptop sales? Hmmm?

Amazon is showing the potential customer what they can do for the price. A lot of people aren't willing to spend $500+ on something they will use occasionally. The firesale of the HP Touchpad is proof of that.

Comparing the iPad to the Kindle isn't meant to be a direct-to-direct comparison. I'ts meant to be the value comparison. Both can play Angry Birds, sure. But the Kindle gives you more-per-dollar than the iPad.
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post #115 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:52am
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I actually went through a similar debate myself(about the nook). The only reason I picked the fire was that I already extensively use amazon for my books and music, and I am an amazon prime member. If that wasn't the case, I would have went with the nook, it has better specs, expandable memory and I like the design better. But you will deal with a more limited market.

True. I have Prime too, so I guess their marketing works! How are you enjoying your Kindle Fire? I'm thinking about getting one of my parents one simply because they want a tablet but not sure what they want exactly. I might get one myself (Tablet+Zelda 3DS combo lol). Not sure though. I've seen the Acer tablet for $229.
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post #116 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:55am
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I don't see anyone claiming that the Kindle fire is superior to the iPad.

You may not have, but I've already experienced it. In a discussion amongst friends and family, when I tried to point out that Amazon's definition of mulit-touch isn't the same as Apple's, I was ridiculed for being a fanboi. I then pointed out:

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You get what you pay for.

and told the friends I was talking with don't come to me for support or complaining when you buy a Fire and expect an iPad experience because of some idiotic review they read on the Internet.
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post #117 of 141
12/3/11 at 11:57am
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Just for what I mainly do, I can't justify $500. I like watching HBO GO, surfing some sites, Netflix, and casual stuff like that. I have a feeling an extra $300 just doesn't give me an extra $300 vs when I decided to get the 4S vs the 4. Totally not sure though. Good Android tablets are $500 too , so definatley no. I heard the nook was better than the Kindle. But I'm not sure......

When you make the decision to get an iPad instead of a new laptop - that's when it will become apparent. The MacBook Pro I'm typing on will likely be the last laptop I own. About the only time I use it is when I'm blabbing on forums like this one. If Siri comes to the next iPad, the whole typing thing goes out the window and the last advantage of my MBP fades away
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post #118 of 141
12/3/11 at 12:01pm
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I'm thinking about getting one of my parents one simply because they want a tablet but not sure what they want exactly. I might get one myself (Tablet+Zelda 3DS combo lol). Not sure though.

Chances are your parents will probably find it's a good replacement for a full blown computer. And they are more likely to find that with an iPad since it is a more capable device. It's the sole computer for my parents now - they love it. The Fire, especially with the smaller screen, wouldn't be "good enough" to replace their normal computer.

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I've seen the Acer tablet for $229.

I'd stick with the Fire. The hardware is better quality since it's being subsidized by Amazon. You get what you pay for - either directly or indirectly by buying into the ecosystem.
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post #119 of 141
12/3/11 at 12:04pm
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When you make the decision to get an iPad instead of a new laptop - that's when it will become apparent. The MacBook Pro I'm typing on will likely be the last laptop I own. About the only time I use it is when I'm blabbing on forums like this one. If Siri comes to the next iPad, the whole typing thing goes out the window and the last advantage of my MBP fades away

I'm really nervous about getting an iPad (or any tablet) instead of a laptop. Though the versatility of it makes me jump for joy:

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12/3/11 at 12:06pm
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and told the friends I was talking with don't come to me for support or complaining when you buy a Fire and expect an iPad experience because of some idiotic review they read on the Internet.

Their experiences will vary. I was already an amazon user, and already had a lot of content purchased and in the cloud. So as soon as I logged into the fire, all of my content was there. I just touch the book, it downloads and then I read. Go to the prime section of video and instantly watch content. It is a really simple device and is pretty well laid out. That being said, its not an ipad experience. The browser can be a bit slow, the email client is terrible, the facebook "app" is just a link to mobile facebook, and the touch recognition, while much improved, still isn't as good as the ipad. Thankfully these can all be improved, but it is not an iPad. Its a pretty good device, the ipad is a great device. There would be no debate if not for the price differential.

The only thing I will say is that i really like the 7 inch form factor. I know its not going to happen, but a 7 inch ipad at $300, the ipad 2 at $400, and the ipad 3 at 500 would pretty much knock out the competition.
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