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Why don't you find a screen shot of the Prada or read the user manual as to how the touch screen gestures worked. That'll really open your eyes as to how different these phones really are (and how lousy the Prada really was).

A rumours that Apple was refusing to license their IP appear to be false: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/3/26...ffered-samsung

Yes but the Samsung is a copy of the first design which was LG's and not Apple's. They copied a copy and which is way more than a 20%. Where the buttons are does not effect the overall "look". If you want to nit pick, then the Samsung's button is rectangular, and there are two capacitive buttons on either side of it, the ear piece hole is almost twice as wide, the corners are less round, and other than the four icons on the home screen it looks very different.

You either haven't looked at the LG Prada, are just plumb crazy, or trolling (which doesn't mean you can't fall into the first two categories). Either way you are failing to make a single valid point and just coming across as delusional.

I agree - that's why I said "Most people who are against patents". I also agree that it's a minority. A vocal minority, and for the majority of that minority an uninformed group too.

There are some like Stallman who are informed, but draw incorrect conclusions. In my opinion, anyway.

Really? I guess we will see then, won't we.


Not for legitimate companies. Sure, there are thousands of small time cloners and copiers - but they are routinely squashed. Heck, try to buy a fake Prada bag in NYC these days - not nearly as easy as it used to be. And the copiers aren't getting squashed because the police are on the take either


Sigh... just don't try to be clever or pedantic. It doesn't suit you.


Again, if it's so natural and obvious - why was Apple - the latecomer - the only successful vendor with tablets? And why do almost all tablets since look suspiciously like the iPad?

You keep claiming there is nothing special about the iPad but you can't answer this one simple question.

Think about that for a minute....


A flat panel TV is less complicated than the touchscreen in a tablet - let alone the rest of the component hardware or software that is in a tablet. Nice strawman.

Now, if someone copied Phillips power supply, method for backlighting the screen, remote control design, or even layout or arrangement of the menus (more copyright than patent but check the owners manual - copyrights and patents are both asserted) their butts would get sued by Phillips.

No-name chinese knockoffs can get away with it, but big, legitimate companies like Samsung are going to get sued. And they are getting sued. And it's not going very well for them overall, despite a few injunctions not being granted here and there.

If you want to move beyond the soundbites and make an actual informed opinion about the real merits of these cases, I highly suggest you look into a site like http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/ that does more in depth analysis than cherry picking sound bites from sites like AppleInsider or Engadget. You tend to look less foolish.

I sure did, an almost entirely black front and back, which makes up approximately 80-85% of both phones, other than the buttons both the LG and the iPhone are about 95% identical in that regard, then both have a silver/gray band around the side which makes up the remaining 15-20% of the phone and there they're 90% the same. I'm not a troll just a realist that calls a spade a spade.

Ummm have you tried a Galaxy Tab? Its dreadful, other than it slightly resembles an iPad, there's nothing much that Apple has to fear




You must look like a cop, there's Prada bags aplenty in NYC



Why is the iPad a success? Do I have to answer that question? This is where the user experience comes in and what Apple has mastered. People dont buy them because they look "cool" or "sexy" although it does help, but for the ecosystem Apple has created starting with the iPod. Thats something Samsung will never be able to copy. By the way the "latecomer" will learn from and not make the mistakes and missteps the others have made.




Remember we're here discussing the "look" of these devices, regardless of how these other companies built their TVs they still look a lot alike even up close. Tell me I'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DU...e_gdata_player

Was jobs being a hypocrite?

I don't get the connection between the video and your query.

I know that you and your little minions, jragosta and Sector7g, are completely ignorant Apple-shill-trolls, but you could at least do a bit of (Google) research before attacking a completely valid post.

http://www.paleofuture.com/blog/2007...aper-1994.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...YEARS-OLD.html

"_ _ _Apple argued that the flat glass surface disclosed in the D’889 patent,which is not present in the 1994 Fidler/Knight Ridder tablet_ _ _ _ Samsung has identified several prior
art references, including the 2002 Hewlett-Packard Compaq Tablet PC TC 1000 (“the HP Tablet”),which disclose additional features of the tablet that are related to the primary reference.The HP Tablet may serve as a secondary reference because it is related both in design and in use to the 1994 Fidler/Knight Ridder Tablet._ _ _ The HP Tablet contains a flat glass screen that covers the top surface of the tablet and a thin rim that surrounds the front face of the device. Thus, the main element that Apple argued was not present in the 1994 Fidler/Knight Ridder Tablet existed in the HP Tablet."

Not surprising given that you're little more than (poorly) paid Apple-shill, forever lost in their delusional RDF.

Put the 3 phones in front of someone from the 1940's and ask them which two phones look the most similar. You're a complete moron if you think they will pick the iphone and the LG.

Well the thing is that the iPad was just an extension of the design philosophy used in iPod touch, infact a lot of people dismissed the iPad as just a big iPod toch in the begining. The iPod touch has been around in the look for 2-3 years before that. I still think that the joojoo's look was inspired by apple's product (probably the iPod Touch and iPhone), especally if you look at the scratchpad which was what joojoo looked like just a few months before.

None of the fandroids here want to accept the fact that it wasn't until the iPad2 was released and Samsesung got a look at it, did they publically admit they had to go back to the drawing board, because the Tab 10.1 they were set to release looked more like the ipad 1, than the iPad 2.

This is a known fact. Undisputed and in public record. Samesung redesigned the 10.1 AFTER seeing the iPad 2. Never mind the fact that the packaging, dock connector and icons are all rip-offs from Apple as well.

And who wants to bet that afterbthe new iphone 5 or ipad 3 is released and there is some major redesign, that we won't see a Samesung copycat shortly after that. I mean we have seen it with the ipod, phone, ipad, Macbook Air already. Why should Samesung spend money trying to create new products when they can just copy Apple. Apparently, this is perfectly acceptable to fandroids.

Actually, I've seen Solipsism on a number of occasions question Apple's motives and operations. Just to be fair.

Even if he was then he's in the right place. You, on the other hand...

As far as delusional... hmmm... hardly... and, again, if he was then pot kettle etc. Just to be fair.

Most companies did go back to the drawing board but Samsung was "kind enough" to give the world the Galaxy Tab 10.1V first and then release a revamped Galaxy Tab 10.1 to compete with the iPad.

The 10.1V is still stuck on 3.0 while the other Galaxy Tabs have been updated to 3.1. Samsung has said the Galaxy Tab 10.1 will get ICS (4.0) but no word for the other versions of the Tab. Can you imagine if Apple did that? People already bitch about the new devices getting OS features a 3 year old device isn't getting.

My knowledge of the various legal systems is too rudimentary to enable me to draw such conclusions, but anyway, I believe that would be impossible, as innovation depends on many other factors.

The strongest argument you could use is to tell me that Steve Jobs could not have created Apple as it is now outside of the USA. I would accept this to be true, but not because of legal considerations, I believe.

For the rest, I can indicate that is is my view that Samsung is indeed a copycat, although this is of course up to your legal system to decide about this.

About the disregard for planet finance opinion, the statement may be too strong, but, as everybody noted, Apple stock is now more or less stagnating, four reasons which are hard to understand. Whereas a "normal" company would have taken long ago appropriate actions to remedy to this (dividend, split ...) everybody can see that this is not what Apple does, which is a good indication that this is not for them a top priority (although of course they are rightly proud of their mind blowing financial results).

Though you left this topic. By the way, can you help we with some opinions on Galaxy Note 8.9 (a middle-size one that makes phone call) against full-size Galaxy 10.1?

It's almost New Year, my bank manager who helped out my family business for 41 years is about to retire. The old fella need something bettr than a gold watch. With the Great Flood and economy being what it is, I am not supposed to fork out for iPad2, still around ฿24,000 from Bangkok scalpers and the official imports won't begin until January. Galaxy Note start at only ฿16,900 with Smart Cover replica. How good Galaxy tabs get now if all he does are Facebooking, emails and watching online TV, no apps and never carry it out of a house?

7-inch Galaxy no longer sold new in Thailand and Samsung now started with this Note model. Both of them comes with Samsung bluetooth keyboard if I go there before 26 Dec.

Depression does funny things to Thais you know. Especially this lifetime bean counter I am going to give him a present. i-products somehow acquired a stigma of being expensive an giving ones away for presents gives out a bad impression of being careless with your money. Samsung and Android handsets don't have such stigma.

Apple stuff being viewed in recession-hit Thailand as a blinged-up things and the owner being careless with money in the time everyone tightening the belt. Cultural quirk, yeah, but I live here and have to work with it.

yes, maybe it was inspired by apple's product
I just reply to the guy who claim no tablet before the ipad have touch UI, black bezel, no button,....

If you believe this is anti-competitive then you don't really understand the legal issues involved. Because it isn't (Apple doesn't care if you compete with them, only if you copy) and as these are patents related to trade dress there are the same 'you must protect' rules of play as a trademark.

And while this judge says "likely invalid" and "unlikely to cause harm" that is not an official ruling. When the official one comes down it could be very different.

Because Samsung's sales are sooooooo higher that they are a threat to the iPhone and iPad.

Even using their "we'll count shipments to the resellers as 'sales'" tactics they haven't beaten either. And the reports of returns rates are not good for Samsung.

Yeah, Apple is so scared of them that they are trying to use the courts to get rid of the company that is going to take them down

(unlike Samsung that is suing to block Apple from using FRAND patents, which is something they legally can not do)

Face to face the iPhone and Samsung look most similar, 360° the LG and iPhone look most similar.

More to the point, if you don't defend yourself now you can't later.

Show of hands, how many folks here think aspirin is a generic name. Guess what, it wasn't always. It started off as a trademark name for a certain chemical formula of fever and pain reducer made by Bayer. Then then other companies made that same formula (more or less) and folks started calling them all aspirin and Bayer did nothing for months, perhaps even years. Then they decided to. And lost

Apple is playing a similar game. A game that requires them to play now or lose the right to play later. Even if they lose the case, they win points for trying. Not to mention appeals, which you know Apple will file.

And who knows, while line item by line item comes up with a few losses, Apple might be able to pull off an argument over the totality of common details and the timing of such details appearing.

To make that statement you first must define the 'look and feel' of an iPad.

So since you clearly have in order to say that it already existed, why not say what your definition is. Then we can see if it matches what Apple patented as the 'look and feel'

ROTFLMAO. Go ahead and get the Galaxy if you want to send the following message:
"Sure, you worked here for 41 years and were an invaluable part of the team. We greatly appreciate your efforts and contribution, but not enough to give you a quality product when we can save a couple hundred dollars by giving you a cheap knockoff that doesn't work as well and isn't as useful".

Great message for a long time employee.

Those people always bitch about Apple even though other companies are worse. It's not FAIR!

The Galaxy 8.9 is a great machine. If I were to choose, I'd rather have that than an iPad. The size is much better. It is more compact than an iPad, while giving you a better screen shape.

You are so far off the mark, you are not even wrong.

But trademarks and patents have different rules.

CharlieTuna, patents don't have a use-it-or-lose-it aspect. Apple could sit back silently for years, allowing supposed IP violations to go on at the competition before finally filing lawsuits.

You might be confused with US trademark law which requires a response within a set timeframe once a company is aware of infringement, or take the chance of losing the rights to the trademark. Not at all the same rules with patents.

Uh, 360° is still the same view, genius.

But, i think you were trying to say looking at the back side of the phones? In which case, you need some new glasses. Here is the back side of the lg prada and iphone 1st gen. 4th gen looks nothing like it either. Thanks for playing.

Have you ever taken the time to calculate his daily average posting rate from his old ID?

25711 posts over 2051 days. That works out to be about 12.5 posts every single day for over 5 and a half years!

You would have to pay me good money to support a company so assiduously and vocally.

To support a company, yes.

To support a self-identification, not so much.

fandroids keep showing this eventhough the working iPhone was shown before this. Get your facts straight before posting lies.

working iPhone demoed: Jan 7, 2007
official press release photoshopped LG Prada images shown: Jan 18 2007

The iPhone 4 was demoed in 2007? really?

I'm under the impression photos, not CGI, was released in mid December 2006, about 2.5-3 weeks before the iPhone was demoed. Of course LG didn't demo their device until much later, Apple would have ad a working model of the iPhone to display long before mid December, and the LG Prada's claim to fame is that was the first capacitance-touch smartphone on the market though it only had a pointless single input sensor.

But all that is moot. There is no way Apple or LG could have copied each other in short a short time frame unless you subscribe to a theory that they inside spies. THe only thing LG seems to have done is be aware that Apple was announcing and iPhone at MacWorld (like we all knew) and decided to announce their unfinished product before CES and rush to market so they could get a "me first" claim.

It's clear it worked in some regard as trolls are using it to say Samsung didn't blatantly copy the iPhone, but saying "me first" isn't the same as making sales, which LG clearly has failed at in this space.

So now the claim is that LG owns the rights to a two tone color scheme despite the devices neither looking alike nor mimicking the iPhone in any other way. You let us know when LG files a lawsuit against Apple's for the iPhone 4/4S; though even you could get your GED, get a college degree, get law degree, and pass the bar making you a bona fide patent attorney so you can finally have an idea of what is being discussed when the adults talk before LG will make such a foolish attempt to claim that a two-tone scheme is theres.

It's really amazing you think these look the same. At least learn to put a little thought into your trolling.

Spoken with the certitude someone who has no concept of "supporting a self-identifcation."

Why are you such a bitter little person?

Clearly the original iPhone does not infringe on the Prada.

Apple waited until the i4 before it copied the Prada. These FanTards are out of their freaking minds.