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post #41 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:09pm
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post #42 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:14pm
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Oh, I just realized another (albeit satirical) reason that absolutely no one would want an Apple HDTV over a non-hobby Apple TV:

It's going to be glossy. And we all know that we can't abide that.

To make a TV as glossy as an iMac or MacBook Pro would be crazy. Imagine watching a dark movie with all that gloss - brutal. You'd have to have a completely black room.
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post #43 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:17pm
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Since no one knows this, I highly doubt that.

It's called, "conjecture."

Why is it so difficult to have intelligent discourse on this site? Ugh!
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post #44 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:33pm
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It's called, "conjecture."

Then present it as such.

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Why is it so difficult to have intelligent discourse on this site? Ugh!

Because people present their conjecture as fact. Shoe's on the other foot for me.
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post #45 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:35pm
I hope that whatever TV functionality they muster in terms of OS that it can (and will) be embedded in future iMacs. My 27" is already the focal point of my NYC studio, and I'm a huge fan of the all-in-one beauty of the concept.
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post #46 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:47pm
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people present their conjecture as fact. Shoe's on the other foot for me.

You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?
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post #47 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:48pm
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WHY should I buy an entirely new TV when Apple could just release an updated Apple TV box? Why would I use Siri? It would take longer to hold the Siri button down (as on my phone), wait for Siri to respond, have me say what I want, and then wait for Siri to process the request (over the internet)....than for me to just push a few buttons.

I actually think Siri could be the killer app. I'm truly hopeless at navigating my DirecTV. I can normally find the San Jose Sharks games, because they are on 698, but every now and then they will be on national coverage on Versus, and I have no idea what number that is. It then takes me ages to figure out how to work the guide function. How much better would it be if I could just say, "I want to watch the Sharks game"?

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Apple better not be thinking that they can sell a 55" 1080p LED TV that normally goes for 2k (give or take) for $3000. They need to make it the same price or lower.

I honestly can't think of a single Apple product where you pay a premium, once you take into account the build quality of Apple stuff. Sure, my Macbook Pro is more expensive than an equivalent Dell (equivalent in terms of processor, memory etc.), but the build quality is way better, and that's worth paying for.

The days of the "Apple Tax" are long gone, if they ever existed, so I don't think you can assume a TV would be any different. Look at the iPad - all the other manufacturers were struggling to even match the Apple price point.
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post #48 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:55pm
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You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?

I mean to say that I used to have a serious problem with doing just that. It was an effort to counter the nonsensical ravings of trolls; I'd post things that were as pessimistic or conservative as possible.

But obviously that never works. I'm better about not doing that now, I think.
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post #49 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:57pm
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LOL I can't believe measures his self worth by posting pics of CE he owns.

For someone who has chosen to start anew I can say with some certainty that the sniping certainly hasn't changed. Just sayin'.
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post #50 of 108
12/5/11 at 2:58pm
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For someone who has chosen to start anew I can say with some certainty that the sniping certainly hasn't changed. Just sayin'.

Thank you. That's much appreciated.

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post #51 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:13pm
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LOL I can't believe measures his self worth by posting pics of CE he owns.

They seem to be his pride and joy. His wallet must be full of tablet pictures. He even tucks them in at night. Isn't it ironic that you can be called a "brain-washed Apple cult member" on a pro-Apple forum by people who claim all they are doing is "appreciating non-Apple devices"?

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post #52 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:33pm
Am I dreaming this or do I remember Apple buying some company a few years back that were involved in some sort of plastic sheet that could become a TV screen and that size was not an issue?
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post #53 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:34pm
The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables. Ideally an Apple TV would have a power cord and that's it. But we live in a world with a myriad of cables connecting a myriad of devices, and the TV often sits at the center of that rat's nest, OR the TV is connected to a receiver that sits in the center of the rat's nest. Having a rat's nest of cables is a key part of the current system, though.

So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?

I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).

Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.
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post #54 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:39pm
Apple could make the coolest TV ever, but it will be like driving a Ferrari through a school zone - a school zone for special needs children. With TV it is all about the media, and I don't think an Apple TV, even with an A6 and Siri is going to solve the garbage in - garbage out problem. When a cable or satellite provider will sell TV programming on an ala carte basis and allow me to choose only the channels I want to watch and only pay for those channels, then a new TV paradigm might work. That will come right after hell freezes over. There really isn't that much quality TV programming out there to watch.
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post #55 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:44pm
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Apple could make the coolest TV ever, but it will be like driving a Ferrari through a school zone - a school zone for special needs children. With TV it is all about the media, and I don't think an Apple TV, even with an A6 and Siri is going to solve the garbage in - garbage out problem. When a cable or satellite provider will sell TV programming on an ala carte basis and allow me to choose only the channels I want to watch and only pay for those channels, then a new TV paradigm might work. That will come right after hell freezes over. There really isn't that much quality TV programming out there to watch.

The easiest solution for Apple, MS, at al. might be to mimic the cable and sat companies and selling us server-side DVR and streaming options that will work on all our devices. We'd still get the pointless channel combos we don't want but at least they might play ball. Of course, we'll get screwed with data charges, but that's an inevitable bridge to cross regardless.

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post #56 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:51pm
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Just think of all the game apps that could be on the TV plus may add new dimensions to gaming.

I can't believe that Apple is just going to build a std. TV. There has to be something special about it. Something you're not seeing or doing today.

What "new dimensions" do you think it will bring to gaming? Apple have traditionally been very conservative in this area. I think it would quickly devolve into 99c apps like angry birds you can play during ad breaks.
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post #57 of 108
12/5/11 at 3:55pm
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We need an 'incredulous' emoticon here.

In other news, the iPhone nano is slated to be released on December 15, just in time for the very last of the holiday rush.

This stuff is pure speculation due to the book.

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The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables. Ideally an Apple TV would have a power cord and that's it. But we live in a world with a myriad of cables connecting a myriad of devices, and the TV often sits at the center of that rat's nest, OR the TV is connected to a receiver that sits in the center of the rat's nest. Having a rat's nest of cables is a key part of the current system, though.

So how does an Apple TV -- a device which ought to be the anti-rat's nest -- fit into this world?

I wonder if there might be a wireless solution. Suppose that the AppleTV has highest possible bandwidth wi-fi combined with best possible wireless HDMI. And suppose that Apple then sells an "airport express" type device (sold separately) that handles the connections to the rat's nest (maybe it would have HDMI-in, HDMI-out, optical-in, optical-out, ethernet, and that's it).

Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world. It would provide a bridge from the crappy world we live in now to a better world where we don't have to deal with 4 remotes and a rat's nest of cables. It would allow us to gradually remove those cables and extra remotes from our lives without going cold turkey.

You don't seem to understand the lack of standards currently present amongst cable companies. If the hardware was completely generic, it would be much easier for television manufacturers to integrate it. As for wireless, there will be wires somewhere. We don't have the infrastructure currently to deliver all of that wirelessly. Even if you didn't have the wires directly connected to the television, something would be feeding it.

All of the things you find annoying with televisions could go away with basic enforced standards. Apple's main appeal here would be brand loyalty, and possible integration with other Apple devices, like if you could preview a channel on your iphone/ipad and use it as a remote. The other stuff would have been solved by other manufacturers a long time ago if not for the issues I mentioned.
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post #58 of 108
12/5/11 at 4:00pm
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This stuff is pure speculation due to the book.

I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind everyone's magical leap of logic that allows for 'cracked the TV' to become 'Apple is making a TV' when Apple has made a box that serves their TV purposes for nearly five years.
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post #59 of 108
12/5/11 at 4:12pm
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Am I dreaming this or do I remember Apple buying some company a few years back that were involved in some sort of plastic sheet that could become a TV screen and that size was not an issue?

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/plas...een-panel.html

Probably not what you had in mind.

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post #60 of 108
12/5/11 at 4:25pm
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Can't wait to see the interface. I hope they can port it to an external appliance like an AppleTV 2 so it can be used on larger 3rd party displays. 65" is about the smallest I'd settle for.

Couldn't agree more. I have a 37", 46", and 55". I am just about ready to get rid of the 37" and progress to a 65".

Also, having the option of 3D for (some) movies is increasingly appealing -- viewed a high-end new-plasma, 3D Panasonic the other day at a friend's, and I was quite simply blown away.
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post #61 of 108
12/5/11 at 4:33pm
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Also, having the option of 3D for (some) movies is increasingly appealing -- viewed a high-end new-plasma, 3D Panasonic the other day at a friend's, and I was quite simply blown away.

I've only seen one movie that seemed to be a better experience in 3D. A documentary about caves, if you can believe it. I'm sure 3D sets will be standard eventually but does the viewer get out of them today?

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post #62 of 108
12/5/11 at 4:38pm
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You don't seem to understand the lack of standards currently present amongst cable companies. If the hardware was completely generic, it would be much easier for television manufacturers to integrate it. As for wireless, there will be wires somewhere. We don't have the infrastructure currently to deliver all of that wirelessly. Even if you didn't have the wires directly connected to the television, something would be feeding it.

All of the things you find annoying with televisions could go away with basic enforced standards. Apple's main appeal here would be brand loyalty, and possible integration with other Apple devices, like if you could preview a channel on your iphone/ipad and use it as a remote. The other stuff would have been solved by other manufacturers a long time ago if not for the issues I mentioned.

I don't think you understood my post at all, so I must not have been sufficiently clear. I'll try harder.

Apple's ultimate goal should be to destroy the existing system completely. Once that happens, "watching TV" should mean that there is no bluray player or cable box. All paid content would come to a TV in the same way that it comes to an iPad -- through the iTunes/App store, and that happens over 802.lln connected to the Internet (that's the enforced standard). (unpaid content can stream over the local wi-fi from your Mac, iPad, iPhone, etc)

The problem is in getting from here to there. And for that, there needs to be a connection to the existing world. I'm proposing that connection would be a wireless link from the Apple TV to an Apple-branded piece of hardware that would connect to the existing rat's nest of receiver, etc. Because that wireless link is between two apple devices, there is no need for standards enforcement -- it can be whatever wireless technology apple chooses. That Apple-branded piece of hardware (as I said -- you can think of it as being analogous to an airport express) would provide the physical connectivity (hdmi, optical audio) that is needed to relate to the existing hardware mess we all have to live with. This would allow us to shed those legacy devices gradually rather than all at once. This is essential, because not all content will be available through the iTunes/AppStore model from day 1, and people won't want to give up that content. So, practical example -- you connect your cable box to the AirportExpress and the AirportExpress wireless streams the video to the AppleTV. You still have to control the cable box using the remote.

But by keeping the rat's nest at a wireless arm's distance from the AppleTV, the AppleTV itself is uncorrupted. When you are finally able to shed that last piece of legacy equipment, the AppleTV you're left with will be the AppleTV you always wanted -- no extra cables, super simple -- just an invisible antenna that used to communicate with the AirportExpress-like device that provided the physical link to the rat's nest.

I think something like this is essential... the AppleTV has to be both capable of eventually totally replacing the current system while at the same time coexisting with the current system.
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12/5/11 at 5:05pm
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I've only seen one movie that seemed to be a better experience in 3D. A documentary about caves, if you can believe it. I'm sure 3D sets will be standard eventually but does the viewer get out of them today?

I think that a lot of 3D is overkill. That's why I had said "...(some) movies...."

The comparison here was between viewing 3D in a regular theater and the Panasonic TV (which was, btw, a 55"; Panasonic TC-P55VT30). I found it to be nearly as appealing, and without having to put up with the popcorn stink and stickiness. (The glasses were fairly high-tech too. They cost about $100 each, and required to be charged -- perhaps there is a quality issue at that end as well).
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12/5/11 at 5:31pm
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I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind everyone's magical leap of logic that allows for 'cracked the TV' to become 'Apple is making a TV' when Apple has made a box that serves their TV purposes for nearly five years.

That one is easy. Steve Jobs didn't say, "We cracked the TV ... again." He also didn't say, "We've been doing TV all wrong." Clearly, his comment meant that Apple had solved a vexing problem. If the TV were satisfying Apple's TV needs, then there would not have been a problem to solve in the first place.

That said, you are correct that it does not follow that the "crack" is an Apple-branded TV set. In fact, I can make and have made the argument that an iOS-based universal remote control or iPad/iPhone/iPod touch could solve most of the problems that many users have with HDTV sets.

To a larger point, this latest "rumor" has to be one of the lamest rumors that AppleInsider.com has ever posted. The general tenor and tone of the comments about a possible Apple HDTV set make me wonder if those commenting have ever visited the TV section of Best Buy, Sears, H. H. Gregg or any other consumer electronics store. They clearly know nothing about the state of the products that Apple would be competing against. Whoever originated this latest AppleInsider.com rumor knows even less.

AppleInsider.com reports that Apple is in negotiations with a Japanese flat panel manufacturer for displays for its new TV. Well, others have already reported that the panel manufacturer is Sharp. Everybody who sells flat panel TVs buys panels from a very small group of suppliers. If the supplier is Japanese, then it is probably Sharp.

AppleInsider.com made my jaw drop with this statement:
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Apple's anticipated high-end 55-inch model is expected to compete with "smart TVs" from established television makers like Samsung and LG.

Really, now? If Apple returns to the TV set business, does anybody expect Apple to go after the ordinary [dumb] TVs. Exactly which problem can Apple solve for dumb-TV viewers with a dumb TV of its own? Since 2007, new Apple products have been so awesome that buyers are willing to queue-up for days to get them. Who would queue-up for an ordinary TV even if it has the Apple logo? If it is an Apple HDTV, then you want an set that is based on iOS goodness.

The lamest part of this rumor has to do with the sizes of the three screens--32", 55", and some unknown size in between. As someone else has already said, this is so 2009. This is the kind of move you make when you are just sticking your toe in the water. If Apple were serious with these entries, then it will be in for a major surprise. Sharp, Apple's rumored supplier, is touting its 60", 70", and 80" panels. If Apple re-enters the TV market, then I don't know what it expects to achieve.

Certainly it does not need to sell sets in every possible size. However, I would think it would want to make a splash. Nothing in any part of this rumor sounds like a splash to me. My response to it is "Meh."
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12/5/11 at 5:42pm
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Apple better not be thinking that they can sell a 55" 1080p LED TV that normally goes for 2k (give or take) for $3000. They need to make it the same price or lower.

you don't "get it". The extra $1,000 would be worth it, because you could use it to buy iOS apps and content.
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post #66 of 108
12/5/11 at 5:47pm
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I hope that whatever TV functionality they muster in terms of OS that it can (and will) be embedded in future iMacs. My 27" is already the focal point of my NYC studio, and I'm a huge fan of the all-in-one beauty of the concept.

My guess is that you'll get what you are looking for. If not, a Mini ould likely mate up well with the new ATV.
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12/5/11 at 5:56pm
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TThat said, you are correct that it does not follow that the "crack" is an Apple-branded TV set.

I wanted to point out this sentence and reiterate. The "cracking" isn't doing what people hoped Apple would. Combining Apple's HW/OS into a TV takes no leap of thought. It's the easy part. The hard part is everything else beyond the TV that makes cable boxes non standardized, that keeps the content owners and distributors in a very secure symbiotic relationship.

Or course there is Siri making the way you interact with the TV but I also don't think that is the crack when there are still the other issues to deal with. Siri is just an extra tool to improve usability but that doesn't resolve the content and logistics issues.

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12/5/11 at 5:58pm
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I am more or less in the market for a new TV for the living room. I am curious to see what surprises Apple has cooked up--everybody who is proclaiming "meh!" already needs to look back at history.

Remember the surprise (and initial dismay) when the iPhone was first announced? "No keyboard? No fit and paste? Expensive as hell! Web apps??" It took us a while to get it and it took Apple a while to polish it, but now, nobody denies that Apple turned the phone world upside down.

Then came the iPad. Shock and dismay at the name, lack of ports, inability to run "real" software and such. It was hard to see what it would be good at--sure, it is a nice toy, but...

So, to everybody who says this is just going to be an expensive LCD with an AppleTV built in--I totally expect you to be wrong. I don't know what the plan is, but I expect it to be well thought out and to be part of a multi-year roll-out...

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12/5/11 at 5:59pm
I just read about the Xbox update coming out on Dec 6 and I don't see how an Apple TV could beat this.
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12/5/11 at 6:02pm
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I just read about the Xbox update coming out on Dec 6 and I don't see how an Apple TV could beat this.

With that update what you're getting is what has been rumoured and expected that Apple will be getting. Apple has nothing if they don't have contracts with the networks for content.

The benefit that Apple and MS is more inline with the sat companies. There is really no place those companies can set up shop in the US, while regional cable companies have a maximum limit on their potential customer base do to the number of homes and businesses they have. This limits how much they pay per capita for all those blocks of channels they buy. This means they might be able to get reasonable deals per capita even if they being charged a lot more than their competitors due to the fear factor that content owners felt when bringing TV shows and movies to iTunes Store. We may actually be able to get a decent cost out of this… before the cable companies jack your internet rates, throtle and cap your usage.

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12/5/11 at 6:04pm
Me: "Siri, I want to watch How I Met Your Mother, can you help me out?"

Siri TV: "That idea is Legen- wait for it -dary, LEGENDARY Jensonb! It's not on right now, but I found some episodes on Hulu, would you like to watch one of these?"

-List of Episodes displays-

Me: "Yeah, let's watch False Positive."

Siri TV: "Suit up!"

-Episode Plays-

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12/5/11 at 6:06pm
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The big challenge is how to make a TV that doesn't suck as bad as all other TVs while still fitting into the infrastructure that exists for all other TVs. One of the hardest things here I think is connections&cables.

iCloud and other stuff will handle that.


iCloud will replace the DVR. The Cable Box can usually be eliminated via a card.

The BluRay player can be retired and replaced with Apple services. So can the game consoles - they will be moved to the den with the old TV. The kids like iGames better anyways.

No ethernet of course, but instead the ability to sync up with other Apple stuff via wireless.

The sound system will be integrated and will use wireless to drive the speakers. You will be able to start with the built-in speakers if you wish, and will be able to add additional speakers (from licen$ed third parties) later.


Just plug 'er in and let 'er rip!


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Under that scenario, the AppleTV could be an uncompromised device that still is able to fit into a compromised world.

No. The Apple TV will eliminate and replace that cluttered world. It will offer a better alternative for each POS that clutters things up now. The cluttered world will either exist in its own man cave, the kid's room, or in boxes in the back of the attic.

It will be replaced in the living room with the Apple TV, totally wireless and integrated, and maybe some other optional wireless accessories from the usual suspects, which span from Belkin to iHome to B&W.
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12/5/11 at 6:06pm
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I just read about the Xbox update coming out on Dec 6 and I don't see how an Apple TV could beat this.

One's a game console that is louder than a Mac Pro, is a huge power whore, and has a 60% failure rate; the other is a $99 box that uses 6 watts maximum, makes no sound, and, as far as I know, can't fail.

"They're both moving to the big city can they get along?! Svelte and Bloated: The Story of Two TV Interfaces! Tuesdays on NBC."

And maybe people don't want to use the Xbox interface, Microsoft services, or anything else related to it.
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12/5/11 at 6:19pm
wondering if Tim Cook can create the reality distortion field and convince us once again that Apple has just created another 4-year-old technology. multi-touch, siri, et al.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuwgA2Gbys
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12/5/11 at 6:23pm
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Then present it as such.



Because people present their conjecture as fact. Shoe's on the other foot for me.

And ur a global moderator? Ugh!
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12/5/11 at 6:23pm
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I think something like this is essential... the AppleTV has to be both capable of eventually totally replacing the current system while at the same time coexisting with the current system.

Most people will be happy just to get rid of all that crap. The Apple TV will work out of the box to do it.
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12/5/11 at 6:26pm
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You mean you present your facts as conjecture? Or do you really have an issue with your shoes?

Now that's funny!

Can one put a "global moderator" on one's ignore list?
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12/5/11 at 6:28pm
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I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind everyone's magical leap of logic that allows for 'cracked the TV' to become 'Apple is making a TV' when Apple has made a box that serves their TV purposes for nearly five years.

Yeah... although I haven't played with that thing much. I know maybe three people that own them.

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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

I don't think you understood my post at all, so I must not have been sufficiently clear. I'll try harder.

Apple's ultimate goal should be to destroy the existing system completely. Once that happens, "watching TV" should mean that there is no bluray player or cable box. All paid content would come to a TV in the same way that it comes to an iPad -- through the iTunes/App store, and that happens over 802.lln connected to the Internet (that's the enforced standard). (unpaid content can stream over the local wi-fi from your Mac, iPad, iPhone, etc)

That makes more sense now . Of course they'd have to work out some kind of licensing terms. I think they had a lot of tension with the networks over licensing terms.
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wondering if Tim Cook can create the reality distortion field and convince us once again that Apple has just created another 4-year-old technology. multi-touch, siri, et al.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuwgA2Gbys

Bleck... I just want to see ghetto siri appear in the app store .
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post #79 of 108
12/5/11 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post

That one is easy. Steve Jobs didn't say, "We cracked the TV ... again." He also didn't say, "We've been doing TV all wrong." Clearly, his comment meant that Apple had solved a vexing problem. If the TV were satisfying Apple's TV needs, then there would not have been a problem to solve in the first place.

That said, you are correct that it does not follow that the "crack" is an Apple-branded TV set. In fact, I can make and have made the argument that an iOS-based universal remote control or iPad/iPhone/iPod touch could solve most of the problems that many users have with HDTV sets.

To a larger point, this latest "rumor" has to be one of the lamest rumors that AppleInsider.com has ever posted. The general tenor and tone of the comments about a possible Apple HDTV set make me wonder if those commenting have ever visited the TV section of Best Buy, Sears, H. H. Gregg or any other consumer electronics store. They clearly know nothing about the state of the products that Apple would be competing against. Whoever originated this latest AppleInsider.com rumor knows even less.

AppleInsider.com reports that Apple is in negotiations with a Japanese flat panel manufacturer for displays for its new TV. Well, others have already reported that the panel manufacturer is Sharp. Everybody who sells flat panel TVs buys panels from a very small group of suppliers. If the supplier is Japanese, then it is probably Sharp.

AppleInsider.com made my jaw drop with this statement:

Really, now? If Apple returns to the TV set business, does anybody expect Apple to go after the ordinary [dumb] TVs. Exactly which problem can Apple solve for dumb-TV viewers with a dumb TV of its own? Since 2007, new Apple products have been so awesome that buyers are willing to queue-up for days to get them. Who would queue-up for an ordinary TV even if it has the Apple logo? If it is an Apple HDTV, then you want an set that is based on iOS goodness.

The lamest part of this rumor has to do with the sizes of the three screens--32", 55", and some unknown size in between. As someone else has already said, this is so 2009. This is the kind of move you make when you are just sticking your toe in the water. If Apple were serious with these entries, then it will be in for a major surprise. Sharp, Apple's rumored supplier, is touting its 60", 70", and 80" panels. If Apple re-enters the TV market, then I don't know what it expects to achieve.

Certainly it does not need to sell sets in every possible size. However, I would think it would want to make a splash. Nothing in any part of this rumor sounds like a splash to me. My response to it is "Meh."

Well said!
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post #80 of 108
12/5/11 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

And ur a global moderator? Ugh!

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Now that's funny!

Can one put a "global moderator" on one's ignore list?

Okay, I'll pick on you. You're the third person I've seen mention this nonsense, and it's getting to be bothersome.

What does my being a moderator have to do with anything?

Do you think that you should be allowed to present your guesses as facts? Do you think that that's an appropriate way to present your opinions (because until Apple says so, that's all they are)?

If so, become a tech analyst. Otherwise people are going to criticize you for it, and you'll have to live with that.

Actually, people will criticize you MORE if you become an analyst because they'll assume you're always wrong. Which is really just being stereotypical and unfair to analysts, but they certainly DO seem to fit that stereotype as though it's their job to do so
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