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post #161 of 177
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The airplane is American technology. Apple computers are American technology. Cray supercomputers are American technology. ICBMs are American technology. The vast majority of military hardware your country needs to defend itself is American technology. The cell phone is American technology. The microwave oven is American technology. The very computer you're using right now is American technology. You can thank American technology and Americans and British and Canadians and Indians and Australians and more for saving your country from North Korea in the 1950s. Without American technology you would likely not even be alive, if you were you'd probably be living in a still-feudal Korean agricultural society with an ox and a hanbok, dying of diseases not yet vaccinated by you guessed it, American technology. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just stating fact. It would take me till the end of my days to list every single American invention so I'll just post a very basic list for your perusal.

There are more than 200 pages of American technology on wikipedia alone, and that's just the very tip of an enormous iceberg.


A
Aberdeen Chronograph
Acrylic paint
Adobe Flash
Adobe Flash Professional
Aerogel
Airbag
Americium
Argon oxygen decarburization
ARPANET
Artificial neuron
Artificial pacemaker
Atkins diet
Automatic transmission
Autopilot
B
Ballistic electron emission microscopy
Barcode
BASIC
Bathysphere
Beltway battery
Beam lead technology
Bell X-1
Bifocals
BigBelly
Bioactive glass
Biological pacemaker
Black light
Boy Butter
Breakfast cereal
Brown truss
Bubblegum
Bulldozer
Burr Truss
C
C (programming language)
Carbon microphone
Carbonless copy paper
Carter's Little Liver Pills
Cash register
Catalytic converter
Chemical oxygen iodine laser
Cigarette
Coca-Cola
Cocaine (drink)
Contour Crafting
Cotton candy
Cotton gin
Cotton swab
Crayon
Credit card
Crystalate
Curium
D
Dazer Laser
Dendrochronology
Dental floss
Dianetics
Direct current
Dishmaker
DNA computing
Doggles
DOS
Drop Stop
User:Zsexdrcft/Articles as templates test
D cont.
Dynamic random-access memory
E
IMail
Electric guitar
Electron beam ion trap
Electronic libretto
Electrophotography
Email
Equatorial sextant
Escalator
Ethernet
F
Fax
Ferris wheel
Fidelipac
Fire sprinkler
Flashlight
Fleshlight
Floppy disk
Floppy disk variants
Flowchart
Franklin stove
Fresno scraper
Fuel dispenser
Fused deposition modeling
G
Gamma camera
Gamma probe
Gas laser
Gilhoolie
Glass harmonica
Global Positioning System
Glottochronology
Glucose meter
Go (programming language)
Gore-Tex
Graphophone
H
Henry rifle
Highway Hi-Fi
Holographic drive
Hutchinson Patent Stopper
Hypertext
I
Ice resurfacer
Industrial robot
Infunitum
Integrated circuit
Internet
Ionocraft
J
Jeans
K
K-Y Jelly
Kinetoscope
Klystron
Knuckle Racquet
Kong (dog toy)
L
Lambda calculus
Laser
Laser printer
LAWKS
Light-emitting diode
Lightning rod
Lightning Switch
Liquid crystal display
Lisp (programming language)
Loaded Questions (game)
M
Magnetic stripe card
Maser
Metallic microlattice
Microelectromechanical system oscillator
Microprocessor
Microwave oven
M cont.
Mimeoscope
Monopoly (game)
Mouse (computing)
Mouse button
N
N-slit interferometer
Nanoimprint lithography
Nanolaser
Napalm
Neuticles
Neutron bomb
Nuclear power plant
Nuclear submarine
Nuclear weapon
Nylon
O
Obsidian hydration dating
Ocean pressure electric conversion
Oil well
Optical mouse
Oral-B Glide
P
Pacifier-activated lullaby
PageRank
Particle accelerator
Pattern playback
PDCA
Perl
Personal computer
Phonograph
Phonograph cylinder
Photosensitive glass
Plasma display
Pneumoencephalography
Polymerase chain reaction
Preparation H
Pritikin Diet
Q
Qore Language
Quantum well laser
QWERTY
R
Radar gun
Radial arm saw
Radiocarbon dating
RAM press
Ring spinning
Rocket stove
Roto-Rooter
Rumford fireplace
S
Scanning acoustic microscope
Scent Transfer Unit
Scrabble
Scroll wheel
Segway Inc.
Segway PT
Sholes and Glidden typewriter
Shopping cart
Silica gel
Smith & Wesson Model 1
Solar cell
Sono arsenic filter
South Beach Diet
Space blanket
Space tourism
Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell
Steadicam
Stereo-Pak
Stereolithography
Storyboard
Supermarket
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More shrill chest thumping. But seriously, South Beach Diet is an invention? And without the great American invention, the flashlight, I'll be deprived from the modern trappings of civilization for life?
post #162 of 177
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Originally Posted by eric475 View Post

I know some native South Koreans who have better English reading comprehension than you do. And you know what, I'm not joking either.

Oh yeah, who would those people be now? Not the ones I knew who graduated from MIT but whose English was still around an IELTS band 7-9. If you said you knew some people of Korean descent who were raised from infancy in an English-speaking country and had been educated there, your claim might have a bit more credibility.
post #163 of 177
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More shrill chest thumping. But seriously, South Beach Diet is an invention?

To be honest I have no idea what a South Beach Diet even is. But I do know what a personal computer is. Ridiculous nationalistic claims will be met with the facts. Call it chest-thumping if you like. At least we have something to thump about.
post #164 of 177
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post

Oh yeah, who would those people be now? Not the ones I knew who graduated from MIT but whose English was still around an IELTS band 7-9. If you said you knew some people of Korean descent who were raised from infancy in an English-speaking country and had been educated there, your claim might have a bit more credibility.

Aw, you can just admit it. Don't be embarrassed. But alas, your American pride won't let you. I understand.
post #165 of 177
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To be honest I have no idea what a South Beach Diet even is. But I do know what a personal computer is. Ridiculous nationalistic claims will be met with the facts. Call it chest-thumping if you like. At least we have something to thump about.

I kid. I kid. You are entitled to your chest thumping. But just don't do it literally. Like a mountain gorilla.
post #166 of 177
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To be honest I have no idea what a South Beach Diet even is. But I do know what a personal computer is. Ridiculous nationalistic claims will be met with the facts. Call it chest-thumping if you like. At least we have something to thump about.

Look I admire American ingenuity. Don't get me wrong. But spare me the Atkins Diet and South Beach Diet. That sorta diminishes what you're trying to convey.
post #167 of 177
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Aw, you can just admit it. Don't be embarrassed. But alas, your American pride won't let you. I understand.

Well I'm prepared to admit it if you can find me all these native-born and educated Koreans who can speak English so beautifully. None of the Korean professors I knew at SNU could, so I admit I'm a bit curious. Actually, I hope you're right, that would be an wonderful example of committed study! Perhaps you should try their methods yourself!
post #168 of 177
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Oh yeah, who would those people be now? Not the ones I knew who graduated from MIT but whose English was still around an IELTS band 7-9. If you said you knew some people of Korean descent who were raised from infancy in an English-speaking country and had been educated there, your claim might have a bit more credibility.

I didn't say they could speak English well. I said their English reading comprehension is top-notch. At Yonsei (a non-top 50 university according to your sources), I saw a native Korean ace the reading (verbal) section of the GRE.
post #169 of 177
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Look I admire American ingenuity. Don't get me wrong. But spare me the Atkins Diet and South Beach Diet. That sorta diminishes what you're trying to convey.

Hey like I said I don't have time to list every American invention or pick out the obviously unimportant ones like South Beach Diet. Did you see the size of that list? I have better things to do with my time.
post #170 of 177
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post

Hey like I said I don't have time to list every American invention or pick out the obviously unimportant ones like South Beach Diet. Did you see the size of that list? I have better things to do with my time.

Just be careful about not diminishing America's ingenuity. Maybe you could parse through that list and get rid of the Atkins Diet, which Dr. Atkins died from I think. Oh well, you have better things to do so don't mind checking the list.
post #171 of 177
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I didn't say they could speak English well. I said their English reading comprehension is top-notch. At Yonsei (a non-top 50 university), I saw a native Korean ace the reading section of the GRE.

GRE? Is that actually supposed to impress me? Reading is the simple stuff and GRE is a joke. Where's this great English language literature he's written lately? Where are the Pulitzers, Bookers, and Nobel Prizes in Literature native Koreans have written so beautifully in English? I could go to Yonsei or SNU or Postech today and lay a smack down on pretty much any native born and raised Korean in English writing, reading too. So could a whole lot of other westerners.

That said, it goes without saying they'd demolish any English speaker in the Korean language. I would never be so arrogant to say that a native born English speaker could speak Korean better than an educated Korean.
post #172 of 177
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You can thank American technology and Americans and British and Canadians and Indians and Australians and more for saving your country from North Korea in the 1950s.

If you wish to insert a discourse on 1950s history, I'd like to offer a few facts. If North Korea hadn't become a communist state, then the US, British, Canadians, Indians, Australians, Turkish, and other UN peacekeeping forces would not have come to the Korean peninsula at all. The commie threat from the Soviet Union was so great that the US came and intervened like it intervened in Vietnam. But was it done for the sake of South Korea? I don't believe so but I'm grateful that they came for whatever geopolitical security reasons they had at the time. Maybe the US didn't want to lose Japan to the communist threat. Even back then, the US was very enamored with Japan. By golly. The Attack on Pearl Harbor is more like the gift that keeps giving to the Japanese than "a day of infamy." How come you like your World War II enemies so much, America? What did they do for you? Korea fought in Vietnam on the American side. Japan didn't.

You see what's happening in Iraq as the US pulls out? Political infighting and instability. So guess what happened when the Japanese occupiers left Korea at the end of World War II? You guessed it. Political infighting and instability. 35 years of being occupied by Japan made conditions even worse.

Who made money off of this political infighting and instability in Korea like gangbusters? Japan did because they supplied all the food and military supplies to the U.S. army during the Korean War. Japan's GDP tripled and quadrupled during that time. So you mention that Koreans have a victim mentality. Honestly, I don't blame them. Their former brutal occupiers were being treated like dear friends by the U.S. while profiting from a devastating civil war that was caused by those same brutal occupiers. Now you see the source of all that embitterment? You think Iraqis think fondly of the U.S. for liberating/occupying them? So Koreans don't think fondly of the Japanese. Period.

But the Americans don't know this and come to South Korea and tell the folks, "You gotta be like the Japanese. They're doing great things. They get along with us. Why won't you?" Yep. Great way to make a good first impression on a Korean. And it's funny how everybody, and even you, never fail to compare the Koreans to the Japanese and say, "The Japanese are better. Your country sucks." So Americans really take the "Love thy (former World War II axis of evil) enemy" to heart. Very touching.

So when Hyundai/Kia sell more and more cars in the US, there's a tinge of resentment towards South Korea. Yet, Japan sells far more cars in the U.S. than South Korea does but that's perfectly fine. "Come, come Fuji-san, Keiko-san. Sell more Toyotas. We like. We like. You bombed Pearl Harbor. Respect. Your Lexus cars kill us but it's our fault, not yours." Do Japanese buy U.S. cars? No. Do South Koreans buy U.S. cars? No. Are you irate at Japan for this? No. Are you irate towards Korea for this? Yes.
post #173 of 177
Wow...this thread derailed and went off into the woods for sure.
post #174 of 177
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Originally Posted by eric475 View Post

If you wish to insert a discourse on 1950s history, I'd like to offer a few facts. If North Korea hadn't become a communist state, then the US, British, Canadians, Indians, Australians, Turkish, and other UN peacekeeping forces would not have come to the Korean peninsula at all. The commie threat from the Soviet Union was so great that the US came and intervened like it intervened in Vietnam. But was it done for the sake of South Korea? I don't believe so but I'm grateful that they came for whatever geopolitical security reason they had at the time. Maybe the US didn't want to lose Japan. Even back then, the US was very enamored with Japan. By golly. The Attack on Pearl Harbor is more like a badge of honor for the Japanese than "a day of infamy." How come you like your World War II enemies so much? Korea fought in Vietnam for the American side. Japan didn't. But Japan gets all the praise as the most precious ally.

American empire-building aside, those foreign men (Americans, British, Thai, Indian, Australian, and 13 other nations) who came as part of the United Nations force, came so voluntarily. I'm not saying that I like the reasons behind what America was doing there, but most of the men came (unlike the current Iraq War) because they truly believed the people needed their help. As you know many never got home. My uncle was one of them. Yes I know about the Koreans in Vietnam. I always saw the Korean war as a necessary and defensive response to an outright invasion. In the case of the Vietnam War it was the Americans doing the invading, and IMHO we destroyed a good country that posed no threat whatsoever to us. We should be ashamed of the American politicians who started and continued it. 4 million Vietnamese were killed and 50 thousand of our own, and for what?
post #175 of 177
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Wow...this thread derailed and went off into the woods for sure.


Yeah I guess it did. Oh well, it's been fun.
post #176 of 177
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post

GRE? Is that actually supposed to impress me? Reading is the simple stuff and GRE is a joke. Where's this great English language literature he's written lately? Where are the Pulitzers, Bookers, and Nobel Prizes in Literature native Koreans have written so beautifully in English? I could go to Yonsei or SNU or Postech today and lay a smack down on pretty much any native born and raised Korean in English writing, reading too. So could a whole lot of other westerners.

That said, it goes without saying they'd demolish any English speaker in the Korean language. I would never be so arrogant to say that a native born English speaker could speak Korean better than an educated Korean.

So you don't need high GRE scores to go to Stanford? No?
post #177 of 177
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So you don't need high GRE scores to go to Stanford? No?

I didn't go to Stanford.
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