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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

Saw this on Drudge this morning. Hilarious. Bye, Rick!

Santorum endorses Romney.

You discounted old videos of Romney. You don't get to embrace old videos of Santorum. You are the intellectually dishonest one, here.

 

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You discounted old videos of Romney. You don't get to embrace old videos of Santorum. You are the intellectually dishonest one, here.

I agree with BR. SDW, you can't be intellectually dishonest in just this one instance. That would make you a hypocrite. You must do as BR says and be intellectually dishonest in all instances so you can be consistent like him.

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You discounted old videos of Romney. You don't get to embrace old videos of Santorum. You are the intellectually dishonest one, here.

<forehead slap>

I'd only be intellectually dishonest if I discounted entire notion of examining previous videos/statements. I've never done that. Any defense of Romney (or anyone) I've offered is from the content of the videos being twisted and/or out of context. There is about zero chance of that with this Santorum video. He even states that "no one puts words in Rick Santorum's mouth" before he talks about voting for Romney because he's a conservative.

Really BR...try a little harder next time.
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post #644 of 693
Oh, right. I forgot. If the old video helps your cause, it's relevant. If it hurts your cause, well, you have plenty of practice at ignoring evidence or coming up with excuses as to why your fantasy trumps reality.

 

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post #645 of 693
And why is it okay for your fantasy to trump reality, BR?

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Who believes in magic gold plates and becoming the ruler of one's own planet after death? I don't live in a fantasy world.

 

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Who believes in magic gold plates and becoming the ruler of one's own planet after death? I don't live in a fantasy world.

You live in a world where you borrow your way to growth and prosperity. You live in a world where all the clean energy doesn't work, man is a parasite on the planet, and where bitter people like yourself piss and moan that the world is GASP, unfair when it never has and never will be utopian or fully the same in terms of outcome for everyone.

That is a much more delusional fantasy than magic underwear. If Mitt Romney's delusions make him believe he will have a wonderful life after he has died, that in no form or fashion affects me. Your delusional fantasy is turning my grandchildren that aren't even an itch yet into debt slaves.

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Who believes in magic gold plates and becoming the ruler of one's own planet after death? I don't live in a fantasy world.

Who believes in some magical "social contract" that can be used as a pretext for a group of individuals who call themselves a "government" to deprive other individuals of their life, liberty, and property?

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post #649 of 693
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Oh, right. I forgot. If the old video helps your cause, it's relevant. If it hurts your cause, well, you have plenty of practice at ignoring evidence or coming up with excuses as to why your fantasy trumps reality.

No, it's relevant depending on what it actually is. Judging that requires knowing the context, intent, etc. If you have some specific Romney videos you'd like to examine, we can do that. In the meantime, here's an example of a Santorum video where I think he was taken out of context and misinterpreted:

Santorum "equates homosexuality with incest, adultery."

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"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything." and "Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, whether it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family."

So what's the problem? Context. He was speaking about the legal implications of a decision. And legally, he may have been right. Now, it's obvious Santorum is anti-gay. He also never should have said such thing...not being someone in public life. But that's another issue entirely. Based on your standard, all previous statements--regardless of context--are irrefutable evidence of a candidate (pardon me, a GOP candidate) being a flopper, nut job, liar, etc.
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post #650 of 693
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Wow...this just ended The Santorum's campaign. He's wound so tight he's going to explode.
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post #651 of 693
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Wow...this just ended The Santorum's campaign. He's wound so tight he's going to explode.

But actually he was right. Sanatorium was right. And did you notice the news broadcast cut his speech in the middle. They also apparently deliberately removed his comments from context.

But honestly, his campaign was over before it began.

Is that his wife next to him? Hubba Hubba!
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But actually he was right. Sanatorium was right. And did you notice the news broadcast cut his speech in the middle. They also apparently deliberately removed his comments from context.
Ehh..that's debatable.

But honestly, his campaign was over before it began.

Actually, I watched it again and realized the reporter said "You said Mitt Romney was the worst Republican in the country." Previously I thought he quoted Santorum saying "You said that Mitt Romney was the worst Republican to run against Obama in the country." So yeah, he was right.

But he was obviously wrong to lose his temper like that. He also used profanity in public (not an open mic or what not), neither of which I imagine is going to do him any favors with Evangelicals. You can't lose your cool like that. You can be aggressive and combative (like Gingrich), but even that is risky depending on who you are. Santorum comes off as a real nut in the video. It's a Howard Dean moment.


That person is his daughter, I think. Niiiiice.
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post #653 of 693
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That person is his daughter, I think. Niiiiice.

Indeed. On this we can agree. I'd hit it. Well... If I wasn't already happily married.
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Indeed. On this we can agree. I'd hit it. Well... If I wasn't already happily married.

I looked it up. Yeah. Her name is Sarah Maria and she's 14. Good work, bro!
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I looked it up. Yeah. Her name is Sarah Maria and she's 14. Good work, bro!

Haha I guess I wouldn't then... What's the legal age in PA?

Actually, I don't do underage. No interst, not just for legal reasons. But she's going to look good when she's older assuming she keeps the figure.
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Haha I guess I wouldn't then... What's the legal age in PA?

Actually, I don't do underage. No interst, not just for legal reasons. But she's going to look good when she's older assuming she keeps the figure.

Agreed and agreed. Also, I don't know about that...his older daughter behind him at a speech last week. I was watching a few minutes of it, and geez...she looked BAD (too much makeup, rat nest hair, etc). Another daughter was to his side and looked positively Amish.
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post #657 of 693
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Well, it looks like it's just about over:

Rubio endorses Romney

Jeb Bush endorses Romney

George H.W. Bush to endorse Romney

Santorum's lead collapses in PA


Speaking of The Santorum, I always doubted he would win here in PA. Philly and Pittsburgh and their suburbs will never vote for him, nor will suburban/urban Harrisburg. His real strength would is in the Western steel towns, coal regions and parts of "the T" (Google it). Speaking to people I know in this area, (suburban Philly), I've found literally NO person that would vote Santorum. This includes obviously my liberal and moderate friends, but social and fiscal conservatives as well.
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post #658 of 693
I was in Philly for work earlier this month. We should have connected for lunch or something.

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post #659 of 693
Romney is the nominee.

I hope the president is prepared for Romney's half-billion-dollar scorched earth campaign.
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Romney is the nominee.

I hope Romney's prepared for the president's half-billion-dollar scorched earth campaign.

tftfy

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post #661 of 693
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Romney is the nominee.

I hope the president is prepared for Romney's half-billion-dollar scorched earth campaign.

I hope you realize that double that couldn't sell the lie that this President deserves a second term.

Barack Obama - Making the Money Thrown After John Carter look like a great investment!

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I was in Philly for work earlier this month. We should have connected for lunch or something.

Let me know when you're around again and we'll see if we can make it work. Alternately, we could just throw $5 Trillion at the problem and expect to meet up without doing anything.

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I hope you realize that double that couldn't sell the lie that this President deserves a second term.

Barack Obama - Making the Money Thrown After John Carter look like a great investment!

Well done.
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I hope you realize that double that couldn't sell the lie that this President deserves a second term.

Barack Obama - Making the Money Thrown After John Carter look like a great investment!

Are you drunk?
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Are you drunk?

Are you buying?

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I hope you realize that double that couldn't sell the lie that this President deserves a second term.

Barack Obama - Making the Money Thrown After John Carter look like a great investment!

I'll say it right here. Obama doesn't deserve a second term.
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I'll say it right here. Obama doesn't deserve a second term.

Of course, none of the Republican candidates come even close to deserving a first term. So that leaves us in a predicament. Elect the guy who preaches great policy but has not followed through into a lame duck term where he can grow some balls, or elect a clown with horrible policy positions who promises to do things that would destroy the country? Easy choice for me.
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We're completely surprised. Really.
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post #668 of 693
I think we had far too high expectations for Obama. Couple that with unprecedented obstructionism and it's amazing he's done what he has.

Santorum finally almost said what so many conservatives have wanted to about Obama, though. Too bad he caught himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...8SKa0M#t=2065s

 

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<forehead slap>

I'd only be intellectually dishonest if I discounted entire notion of examining previous videos/statements. I've never done that. Any defense of Romney (or anyone) I've offered is from the content of the videos being twisted and/or out of context. There is about zero chance of that with this Santorum video. He even states that "no one puts words in Rick Santorum's mouth" before he talks about voting for Romney because he's a conservative.

Really BR...try a little harder next time.

If you an ounce of intelligence you know Romney is a lousy presidential candidate and maybe another person will enter the race and help your party.Videos of both Romney and santorum means zero it is being truthful with the people in the U.S..Romney is an elitist and that is his demeanor.I pray he never gets to be president of the U.S..We are all in trouble than.
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I'll say it right here. Obama doesn't deserve a second term.

Who would you want than as president of the U.S.?Obama is very sneaky and you have to be careful of him.
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I'll say it right here. Obama doesn't deserve a second term.

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Of course, none of the Republican candidates come even close to deserving a first term. So that leaves us in a predicament. Elect the guy who preaches great policy but has not followed through into a lame duck term where he can grow some balls, or elect a clown with horrible policy positions who promises to do things that would destroy the country? Easy choice for me.

Obviously I disagree as I think Romney would make a great President. He's got sound judgment, executive experience and conservative but not radical policy positions. I don't agree with him on everything (gay marriage amendment, for one), but it's hard to find anyone with whom you agree completely.

I'm not sure where you're coming from WRT Obama. He has followed through on the stimulus, environmental policies which are raising prices and killing jobs, taking over healthcare, setting a date for surrender in Afghanistan, feckless and weak foreign policy and class warfare/near-socialist rhetoric. He said he wanted to "remake America." What many moderates and even conservatives didn't realize he actually meant it. He has a fundamentally different vision of this country than any President since FDR. It's a vision of a weaker America...weaker economically, militarily and diplomatically. He things we need to be knocked down a peg, and his polices are taking us down that path.

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I think we had far too high expectations for Obama. Couple that with unprecedented obstructionism and it's amazing he's done what he has.

I suppose when you state that "we'll remember this is the moment that the ocean's stopped their rise," yeah...a little high on the expectations. But how you can call anything he's done "amazing" is beyond me. His policies have demonstrably failed in almost every area:
  • We are less respected in the world, not more.
  • Unemployment is higher than when he took office
  • The economy is sluggish at best
  • Afghanistan is on fire
  • We're not liked any better in the Middle East
  • We're $5 Trillion more in debt
  • We project trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see
  • Gas prices are at a near all-time high
  • Obamacare is about to be ruled unconsitutional
  • The housing market is still very depressed and may not have bottomed-out yet
  • The EPA is putting its boot on the throat of fossil fuel producers (on which we are hugely dependent)
  • Most importantly, people are hurting. And the President is filling out his NCAA bracket while his wife and daughters go to Vegas...not to mention stoking racial discord. Awesome.

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Santorum finally almost said what so many conservatives have wanted to about Obama, though. Too bad he caught himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...8SKa0M#t=2065s

First, I'm not wading through an hour speech to find it. Secondly, wait...you're listening to Santorum now?


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If you an ounce of intelligence you know Romney is a lousy presidential candidate and maybe another person will enter the race and help your party.Videos of both Romney and santorum means zero it is being truthful with the people in the U.S..Romney is an elitist and that is his demeanor.I pray he never gets to be president of the U.S..We are all in trouble than.

You don't support anything you say. Why is he a bad candidate? What disqualifies him in your opinion? So far, you've claimed only that he's "an elitist" (as if Obama is not) and that he's rich. Support your position.
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post #672 of 693
We are DEFINITELY not "less respected" as a nation than we were before Obama's term. What on earth have you been smoking?

Those of us who live outside the US see this EVERY DAY.

Do you know ANYTHING about the world outside?
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We are DEFINITELY not "less respected" as a nation than we were before Obama's term. What on earth have you been smoking?

Those of us who live outside the US see this EVERY DAY.

Do you know ANYTHING about the world outside?

You are confusing respect with being liked. And even on that subject, how does the Middle East feel about us...any better?
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post #674 of 693
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We are DEFINITELY not "less respected" as a nation than we were before Obama's term. What on earth have you been smoking?

Those of us who live outside the US see this EVERY DAY.

Do you know ANYTHING about the world outside?

We are respected to the tune of a cool $5 trllion more dollars owed!

Oh wait.....is respect an synonym for debt?

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You are confusing respect with being liked. And even on that subject, how does the Middle East feel about us...any better?

Be serious. Bush incited ridicule. Literally. Mention his name overseas and people literally laugh, knowingly. Obama does not. Some people say they are disappointed. No one laughs. That shows a difference in the level of respect.
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That's because if people laugh at Obama they're immediately branded as racists.

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That's because if people laugh at Obama they're immediately branded as racists.

Oh, jeez...
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First, I'm not wading through an hour speech to find it. Secondly, wait...you're listening to Santorum now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...8SKa0M#t=2065s

The t=2065s at the end starts it at the appropriate place. It's like one or two sentences in from there.

 

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Republicans concerned about debt. F'ing hilarious!!!!
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Republicans concerned about debt. F'ing hilarious!!!!

What's just as hilarious is Democrats concerned with deficits when they were $400B but not at all when they're $1.2T.

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